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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jun 11 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:01] <zewt> (fwiw, as far as syntax sugar goes, being able to omit "new" is about at the bottom of what I'd bother spending time worrying about)
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  6. # [00:13] <AryehGregor> "Personally, i refer and work from the official specification as it stands, w3c, because i know that it is the spec which will be implemented and, while it is still in flux, it is the one i can rely on the most to be the closest to what will eventually become standard in the years to come."
  7. # [00:13] <AryehGregor> lol?
  8. # [00:13] <AryehGregor> orly?
  9. # [00:14] <TabAtkins> It's funny when clueless people try to work up a righteous indignation.
  10. # [00:15] <jgraham> It's funny when non-implementors make gross assumptions about the needs of implementors
  11. # [00:16] <jgraham> Well I say "funny"
  12. # [00:16] <jgraham> What I actually mean is "reponsible for lots of problems"
  13. # [00:17] <jgraham> Yes, /TR/. I'm looking at you
  14. # [00:25] <Hixie> anyone know where ms2ger is these days?
  15. # [00:25] <Hixie> i don't remember seeing him recently
  16. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> He was around earlier today.
  17. # [00:28] <Hixie> k
  18. # [00:29] <Hixie> ms2ger, if you read this later, see http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11191
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  23. # [00:49] * jgraham is increasingly convinced that createContextualFragment was a better design than innerHTML but a worse API
  24. # [00:49] <TabAtkins> The worse API being "the DOM"?
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  26. # [00:50] <Hixie> jgraham: the right design imho was E4X without comments
  27. # [00:50] <TabAtkins> Yus.
  28. # [00:50] <Hixie> but not enough other people seem to agree :-(
  29. # [00:51] <Hixie> createContextualFragment() has the same major flaw as innerHTML (no compile-time checking)
  30. # [00:51] <paul_irish> XMLSerializer.serializeToString() in gecko predated elem.innerHTML in trident, right?
  31. # [00:52] <Hixie> didn't innerHTML in trident predate gecko as a whole?
  32. # [00:52] <paul_irish> more generally i had a though that innerHTML was the first thing to serialize DOM into HTML but the more i think about it, i think it wasnt first
  33. # [00:52] <Hixie> i thought innerHTML was a netscape 4.x thing from the mid 90s
  34. # [00:52] <Hixie> maybe even 3.x
  35. # [00:53] <smaug____> innerHTML is IEism
  36. # [00:53] <Hixie> ah
  37. # [00:53] <paul_irish> hm.. well i can tell you that innerHTML was ie7, so sept 97... gecko/netscape/moz didnt have it until 99
  38. # [00:53] <paul_irish> ie4*
  39. # [00:53] <Hixie> gecko didn't exist until like 98/99
  40. # [00:53] <paul_irish> a
  41. # [00:53] <paul_irish> hah
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  43. # [00:55] <paul_irish> looks like XMLSerializer and XMLHttpRequest landed simultaneously in gecko. interesting.
  44. # [00:58] <paul_irish> Hixie: whats the compile-time checking flaw about?
  45. # [00:59] <Hixie> code like this shouldn't compile: foo.innerHTML = '<p><span title="x">bla</b>';
  46. # [00:59] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  47. # [00:59] <Hixie> it's a syntax error, so it can trivially be caught at compile time
  48. # [01:00] <Hixie> so it should be caught at compile time
  49. # [01:00] <Hixie> mind you, for the same reason i'm a firm believe in strong typing, which js doesn't have either
  50. # [01:00] <Hixie> believer, even
  51. # [01:01] <paul_irish> so if it had compile time checking it'd throw an exception indicating the input isn't good enough?
  52. # [01:01] <Hixie> it just wouldn't compile
  53. # [01:01] <Hixie> same as function x() { foo(} );
  54. # [01:02] <paul_irish> k
  55. # [01:02] <Hixie> e4x works like that
  56. # [01:02] <Hixie> var foo = <x></x>;
  57. # [01:03] <Hixie> var foo = <x></y>; // this line makes the script not compile
  58. # [01:03] <_bga> Hixie some new translangs supports embedded xml
  59. # [01:03] <Hixie> that's what e4x is, yeah
  60. # [01:03] <Hixie> gecko has (had?) support for it
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  62. # [01:06] <smaug____> has
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  65. # [01:08] <_bga> Hixie for example https://github.com/marcuswestin/fun
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  94. # [02:28] <yuhong> FYI on InnerHTML: http://www.ericvasilik.com/2006/07/code-karma.html
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  96. # [02:29] <erlehmann> ooold
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  98. # [02:31] <yuhong> erlehmann: Yep, the reason I mention it was today there was a discussion of where InnerHTML comes from.
  99. # [02:34] <yuhong> Now IMO cancelling Mariner (later MozClassic) was a mistake, but that was another mess altogether.
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  109. # [02:55] * Dashiva reads semtech bof notes
  110. # [02:59] <Dashiva> foolip: Thanks for the recommended reading link :)
  111. # [03:02] <Dashiva> So has anyone normally in favor of DE explained why DE is suddenly bad?
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  115. # [03:12] <gsnedders> bga_: http://bga.github.com/list-of-ecmascript-engines/ should probably be cleaer that Carakan is totally different to everything before it, and that it implements the ES3-subset of ES5 (see things where behaviour changed from 3 to 5)
  116. # [03:13] <bga_> hm
  117. # [03:14] <gsnedders> bga_: I'm not entirely sure how different the earlier engines are
  118. # [03:15] <bga_> gsnedders i want to describe only last version
  119. # [03:15] <bga_> else it will be hell
  120. # [03:15] <bga_> 5 monkeys
  121. # [03:15] <bga_> 4 form opera
  122. # [03:15] <bga_> etc
  123. # [03:15] <bga_> *from
  124. # [03:15] <gsnedders> bga_: SpiderMonkey is a single engine, the other monkies are just part of it
  125. # [03:17] <bga_> ah. i have splitted jscript and Chakra
  126. # [03:20] <bga_> ok gsnedders
  127. # [03:20] <bga_> i will split
  128. # [03:20] <bga_> Futhark/Linear B/Linear A as es3 w/o jit
  129. # [03:21] <bga_> and Carakan as es3 es5? w/ jit
  130. # [03:21] <gsnedders> bga_: Also, Futhark and Carakan existed/exist alongside each other even after Carakan shipped
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  132. # [03:21] <gsnedders> bga_: I'd say Carakan is ES5, though it doesn't support the object stuff and strict mode. Futhark supported some ES4 stuff too, but was mostly ES3
  133. # [03:22] <bga_> es4?
  134. # [03:22] <bga_> do you mean "const" ?
  135. # [03:22] <gsnedders> /./x, /./y, can't remember what else.
  136. # [03:22] <bga_> nice
  137. # [03:22] <gsnedders> const support predates it being in ES4
  138. # [03:23] <gsnedders> bga_: [a,b] = [1,2]
  139. # [03:23] <bga_> gsnedders btw in opera const == var
  140. # [03:23] <bga_> iirc
  141. # [03:23] <gsnedders> bga_: yeah
  142. # [03:25] <bga_> omg its work %)
  143. # [03:26] <bga_> gsnedders what parts of es5 in Carakan?
  144. # [03:26] <bga_> only getters setters?
  145. # [03:26] <gsnedders> bga_: Everything except the object methods, function.prototype.bind, and strict mode
  146. # [03:27] <gsnedders> bga_: So all the array stuff, all the new syntax (which IIRC is just the getter/setters), all the behavioural changes from ES3->ES5 (/./ creating a new object each time, etc.)
  147. # [03:28] <gsnedders> bga_: JSON, property access on strings, string.prototypr.trim, date.now
  148. # [03:28] <gsnedders> bga_: Dunno what else is new in ES5 off-hand
  149. # [03:28] <bga_> thanks
  150. # [03:29] <gsnedders> bga_: The exclusive list is simpler :P
  151. # [03:29] <gsnedders> bga_: (will be supported in a future version, etc.)
  152. # [03:29] <bga_> btw in Futhark /./ === /./ false
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  154. # [03:30] <gsnedders> bga_: They're two different literals. Try function f() { return /./; }; print(f() === f());
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  156. # [03:31] <bga_> heh
  157. # [03:31] <bga_> as in old v8
  158. # [03:31] <bga_> => issue with lastIndex too
  159. # [03:31] <gsnedders> bga_: Well, old everything. It was ES3 behaviour and everything followed it.
  160. # [03:32] <jamesr> one of the few (only?) cases where es5 directly contradicts es3 outside of strict mode
  161. # [03:32] <gsnedders> Oh, heh, jwalden's blog post claims on SpiderMonkey and V8 support. Futhark certainly did too…
  162. # [03:33] <gsnedders> jamesr: There's a whole appendix of the spec listing the changes.
  163. # [03:33] <jwalden> jamesr: nah, there are others (null/undefined as this to builtin methods, say)
  164. # [03:34] <jwalden> which incidentally I'm a bit surprised broke seemingly nobody but the gobbledygookers
  165. # [03:34] <jamesr> who are the gobbledygookers?
  166. # [03:35] <jwalden> jamesr: http://whereswalden.com/2011/02/03/working-on-the-js-engine-episode-iv/
  167. # [03:38] * gsnedders is still glad GWT's output doesn't look like that
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  169. # [03:42] <bga_> gsnedders this doesn't work :( var a = {get f: #{ -> 1 }}; _log(a.f);
  170. # [03:43] <gsnedders> bga_: um, that's not ES5.
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  174. # [03:57] <bga_> gsnedders i hope opera will support {debugger}
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  182. # [04:17] <bga_> gsnedders fixed. thanks again
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  191. # [04:42] <fantasai> Hixie: I've got some comments on ruby, but I have to go catch a plane like right now. :) Give me like a day?
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  276. # [12:20] <[tm]> hsivonen: about redeploying the W3C HTML5 validator, yeah, will do
  277. # [12:20] <[tm]> but maybe have to wait til I get back home
  278. # [12:21] <[tm]> I'm in CHina for a few more days, and my connectivity here is a little unpredictable
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  366. # [19:51] * danbri_ finds foolip's http://blog.foolip.org/2009/08/23/microformats-vs-rdfa-vs-microdata/ almost 2 years too late :/
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  368. # [19:51] <danbri_> oops doubletyped that
  369. # [19:51] <danbri_> ignore me :)
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  371. # [19:52] <Ms2ger> That's what we've already been doing, so, no problem :)
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  398. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> Because we're the good guys, I guess
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