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  10. # [00:59] <karlcow> http://functionsource.com/post/scrollability-can-hopefully-become-a-shim
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  118. # [11:10] <annevk> Hmm, I guess we can do as Hixie suggests
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  126. # [13:17] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-stylesheet/ :)
  127. # [13:17] <MikeSmith> ah yeah
  128. # [13:17] <MikeSmith> thanks
  129. # [13:21] <Ms2ger> As always, happy to complain
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  131. # [13:25] <karlcow> http://manu.sporny.org/2011/uber-comparison-rdfa-md-uf/
  132. # [13:32] <hsivonen> karlcow: If having a feature is generally green even for misfeatures like Compact URIs, why isn’t more New Attributes greener?
  133. # [13:32] <karlcow> no idea
  134. # [13:35] <karlcow> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/ED-ldh-20110626/
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  184. # [17:19] <annevk> I am not liking what bz says on public-webapps
  185. # [17:19] <annevk> Maybe it comes down to: redirects suck
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  187. # [17:29] <karlcow> at least for performance
  188. # [17:29] <karlcow> :)
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  225. # [20:37] <Hixie> the internets are failing me
  226. # [20:37] <boogyman> don't you mean interwebs
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  228. # [20:37] <Hixie> does anyone know if there's a more efficient way to take an unsorted array and create a second sorted array from it that is quicker than just copying the first array to the second array and then doing an in-place sort of the second array?
  229. # [20:38] <Hixie> (i need both arrays at the end -- the first array is actually just sorted in a different order that i still need)
  230. # [20:39] <Hixie> it seems that being willing to pay for O(n) more memory should have some sort of benefit but all the algorithms wikipedia talks about are in-place and don't take advantage of having lots of scratch space.
  231. # [20:41] <Philip`> Merge sort needs O(n) extra space
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  233. # [20:43] <Hixie> merge sort could work i guess
  234. # [20:43] <Philip`> (and it's stable (unlike heap sort) and worst case O(n log n) (unlike quicksort))
  235. # [20:44] <Hixie> stable isn't an issue here, my keys are unique
  236. # [20:44] <Hixie> my N is also very small, less than 32 in the worst case, likely 2-4 in the common case
  237. # [20:45] <Dashiva> Well, you'd only have "extra" space in the first iteration of the algorithm
  238. # [20:45] <Philip`> In that case, why do you care at all about efficiency?
  239. # [20:45] <Hixie> Philip`: principle, mostly
  240. # [20:45] <Dashiva> Do you need a comparison sort at all?
  241. # [20:46] <Hixie> Philip`: but also because it's interesting :-)
  242. # [20:46] <Philip`> Sorting isn't interesting, Knuth solved it decades ago so that you can just call .sort() and not have to worry about it any more :-p
  243. # [20:46] <Hixie> simplest solution seems to just be to walk the first array looking for the lowest value, then the next lowest value, etc, but that's pretty pathetic performance-wise
  244. # [20:46] <Hixie> Philip`: :-P
  245. # [20:47] <Dashiva> Hixie: The extra space is just an illusion unless you're using a n-writes-only algorithm
  246. # [20:47] <gsnedders> Philip`: But Knuth also said you should know *how* to sort, even if you should normally just use the stdlib of whatever you're using. :P
  247. # [20:48] <gsnedders> Hixie: i.e., a selection sort
  248. # [20:49] <Hixie> Dashiva: well if the key space was better defined (e.g. 1..32, rather than arbitrary short strings as in this case) i could do a pigeon-hole sort, which would be way faster than a comparison sort
  249. # [20:49] <Hixie> gsnedders: yeah
  250. # [20:49] <Hixie> gsnedders: more or less
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