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  1. # Session Start: Wed Aug 24 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <timeless> oh
  4. # [00:00] <timeless> Philip`: ?
  5. # [00:00] <timeless> can you ensure that `an [ImplicitThis]` is properly handled? :)
  6. # [00:01] <timeless> (or is that too Web IDL specific?)
  7. # [00:06] <timeless> ok, i'm done reviewing the diff
  8. # [00:06] <timeless> there's a dancing in the dark movie tonight
  9. # [00:06] * timeless should figure out dinner, probably skip dancing,
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  16. # [00:11] <timeless> heycam: ?
  17. # [00:11] <timeless> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#idl-special-operations
  18. # [00:12] <timeless> Special operations are declared by using one or more special keywords keywords in an operation declaration.
  19. # [00:12] <timeless> MS Word objects to `keywords keywords`
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  22. # [00:19] <shepazu> annevk: I don't understand matter's #ffs … any explanation?
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  24. # [00:20] <timeless> awww
  25. # [00:20] <timeless> Word crashed
  26. # [00:20] <timeless> heycam: it's all your fault!
  27. # [00:21] <timeless> [4.2.20.3]
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  30. # [00:28] <TabAtkins> shepazu: Do you not understand #ff at all, or just mattur's ones?
  31. # [00:28] <TabAtkins> shepazu: Oh wait, I see. Never mind.
  32. # [00:28] <TabAtkins> That's a "for fucks sake", I assume.
  33. # [00:29] <TabAtkins> So, I dunno.
  34. # [00:29] <shepazu> like, I would use that when I think someone said something extremely stupid
  35. # [00:29] <shepazu> so, maybe he thought my statement was really dumb… :)
  36. # [00:29] <shepazu> oh, well
  37. # [00:29] <nimbu> shepazu: no i think he sez DO IT ALREADY
  38. # [00:29] <nimbu> clearly annevk can explain himself
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  40. # [00:30] <nimbu> #ffs
  41. # [00:30] <shepazu> yeah, I reckon that's one interpretation
  42. # [00:31] * shepazu will probably get some tsk-tsks for saying that...
  43. # [00:33] <heycam> timeless, thanks fixed (locally)
  44. # [00:33] * astearns just accidentally created a #ffs channel clicking on shepazu's comment above
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  47. # [00:34] <shepazu> astearns, what a stupid mistake! #ffs
  48. # [00:34] <shepazu> see, that's how you use #ffs :)
  49. # [00:34] <astearns> it was blue, I had to click...
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  67. # [00:57] <mattur> shepazu: I agree with your comment, and meant DO IT ALREADY
  68. # [00:57] <shepazu> mattur: ok
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  70. # [00:58] <shepazu> mattur: to be fair, I don't think there's any great rush, it will happen eventually (I'd guess sooner rather than later)
  71. # [00:59] <shepazu> I can actually see both sides of the topic
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  73. # [01:01] <Hixie> for registerProtocolHandler() and registerContentHandler(), can anyone think of any states the browser could be in beyond these?:
  74. # [01:01] <Hixie> http://junkyard.damowmow.com/495
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  76. # [01:07] <mattur> shepazu: sooner would be good :)
  77. # [01:07] <shepazu> mattur: agreed
  78. # [01:08] <mattur> shepazu: the #ffs was short for: gosh, this is a slightly exasperating; the W3C /should/ be eating its own dogfood
  79. # [01:09] <Hixie> (and always has before!)
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  232. # [09:36] <annevk> morning
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  236. # [09:51] <zcorpan> Hixie: why "+ <li>All <a href=#xml-mime-type title="XML MIME type">XML MIME types</a></li>" ?
  237. # [09:54] <zcorpan> Hixie: the idea of supporting all unknown mime types ending with +xml has failed. web compat requires non-support.
  238. # [10:01] <Ms2ger> <Hixie> you guys give perl a bad name :-P
  239. # [10:01] <Ms2ger> Because it didn't have one yet?
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  242. # [10:03] <jgraham> Please evreyone stop saying that. Every time I read it to the tune of Bon Jovi. That's practically illegal under the Geneva convention.
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  244. # [10:04] <annevk> zcorpan, for XHR too?
  245. # [10:06] <zcorpan> annevk: for navigation. dunno about xhr, doesn't xhr assume xml if you use an unknown type (even if it doesn't end in +xml)?
  246. # [10:08] <annevk> no for missing or malformed content-type only
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  250. # [10:24] <zcorpan> annevk: in opera i get an XMLDocument for text/foo
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  253. # [10:32] <annevk> Opera is buggy
  254. # [10:32] <annevk> actually causes us issues
  255. # [10:33] <zcorpan> do other browsers do the +xml thing for xhr?
  256. # [10:33] <annevk> WebKit does at least
  257. # [10:33] <zcorpan> ok
  258. # [10:33] <annevk> WebKit is pretty compliant
  259. # [10:34] <zcorpan> ok, then +xml hasn't completely failed :)
  260. # [10:35] <zcorpan> but it's not clear to me why we should ban registration of unknown +xml types
  261. # [10:36] <zcorpan> hmm i guess i should file a bug on navigation
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  267. # [10:50] <zcorpan> turns out google earth was the major +xml abuser
  268. # [10:50] <AryehGregor> Hixie, I don't have a Mac, no.
  269. # [10:51] <annevk> blocking all XML types btw blocks application/atom+xml
  270. # [10:51] <annevk> which I think web pages might legitimately handle
  271. # [10:51] <AryehGregor> (also, I'll be in Toronto for the next two days, so if anyone wants to contact me, e-mail is a better bet than IRC)
  272. # [10:51] <zcorpan> annevk: yeah
  273. # [10:52] <annevk> the web+ scheme convention is interesting
  274. # [10:52] <annevk> I wonder how the IETF will react
  275. # [10:52] <annevk> prolly late
  276. # [10:52] <zcorpan> annevk: although the last bullet point bans atom also
  277. # [10:53] <annevk> I wonder if that is for application/pdf and the like
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  279. # [10:59] <zcorpan> <http://www.w3.org/mid/E1QvsLJ-0007QA-SV@jessica.w3.org> - this is why we should always err on the side of REOPEN instead of WONTFIX+TrackerIssue when somebody does REOPEN+TrackerIssue
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  281. # [11:03] <annevk> I think the problem was that Murata added TRackerIssue but the i18n WG did not know about it
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  285. # [11:16] <zcorpan> heh, the spec uses application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml as an example use case for registerContentHandler but then bans XML types
  286. # [11:19] <annevk> whoa
  287. # [11:19] <annevk> blog.whatwg.org is slow
  288. # [11:21] <annevk> http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-undomanager
  289. # [11:22] <annevk> I'm away the next 6 or 7 days so if someone else wants to write it next week go ahead
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  292. # [11:30] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/snapshot/report.html seems to say "parsing HTML with an XML parser is problematic and parsing XML with an HTML parser is problematic. the best solution is to parse XML with an XML parser and HTML with an HTML parser."
  293. # [11:32] <Ms2ger> Tell the TAG
  294. # [11:33] <annevk> zcorpan, pretty much
  295. # [11:34] <jgraham> Hey, it's taken 10 ears to get past the "parsing HTML with an XML parser is problematic so everyone should produce XML always" stage
  296. # [11:34] <jgraham> *years
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  298. # [11:34] <jgraham> The number of ears sacrified is unknown
  299. # [11:37] <zcorpan> 2.5 How can XML be made more forgiving of errors? is interesting
  300. # [11:37] <zcorpan> wonder if xml core will agree to specify lenient xml parsing
  301. # [11:38] <annevk> I put that in
  302. # [11:38] <annevk> sort of
  303. # [11:38] <zcorpan> or if somebody else will successfully do it over xml core's objections
  304. # [11:38] <annevk> I would finish my specification if one browser vendor would seriously consider implementing it
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  326. # [13:12] <Kellen`> is the author of validator.nu here by any chance?
  327. # [13:14] <Ms2ger> He's on holiday until early next week, IIRC
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  330. # [13:15] <Kellen`> okay thanks! is he usually in this channel?
  331. # [13:15] <jgraham> yep
  332. # [13:15] <Kellen`> awesome, I'll check back then
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  334. # [13:18] <zcorpan> MikeSmith also fixes stuff in v.nu
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  401. # [17:19] <scor> foolip: is the live microdata service down? http://foolip.org/microdatajs/live/
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  403. # [17:20] <foolip> scor, no, looks fine to me
  404. # [17:20] <foolip> is it b0rked in some way?
  405. # [17:20] <foolip> I pushed some changes a few days ago
  406. # [17:20] <scor> "wating for foolip.org"
  407. # [17:20] <scor> same goes for http://foolip.org/
  408. # [17:21] <foolip> both are fine here
  409. # [17:21] <foolip> sounds like a network problem
  410. # [17:21] <scor> could it be my network then?
  411. # [17:21] <scor> it used to work from here in the past. let me check
  412. # [17:21] <foolip> perhaps I was blacklisted :)
  413. # [17:23] <scor> my network at work is very picky. sorry to have bugged you foolip, I'll check with my sysadmins…
  414. # [17:24] <karlcow> cute http://gsgwebs.com/help/browser_compatibility.html
  415. # [17:24] <karlcow> This page lists the discrepancies in HTML tag support between Netscape Navigator and Internet Explorer.
  416. # [17:26] <karlcow> had forgotten about dynsrc and lowsrc on images http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533742(v=vs.85).aspx
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  427. # [17:43] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
  428. # [17:44] <Ms2ger> Morning
  429. # [17:44] <dglazkov> wait what? are you visiting? :)
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  435. # [17:58] <dglazkov> wiki.whatwg.org is down
  436. # [17:59] <dglazkov> Hixie, AryehGregor: ^^^
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  441. # [18:17] <karlcow> http://www.mnot.net/blog/2011/08/24/distributed_hungarian_notation_doesnt_work
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  452. # [19:08] <shepazu> in case anyone here uses Thunderbird, and finds themselves needing to share a link to a specific email, I've made an add-on http://schepers.cc/archived-link
  453. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> I guess that's easier than ctrl-u and copy it from the header
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  480. # [20:00] <jarek> Hi!
  481. # [20:00] <jarek> does any browser support or is planning to support native rendering of menu element?
  482. # [20:00] <jarek> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/interactive-elements.html#the-menu-element
  483. # [20:00] <smaug____> jarek: latest FF builds have support for context menu
  484. # [20:01] <jarek> <smaug____> yeah, I have just stumbled upon this news
  485. # [20:02] <smaug____> jarek: note, the child elements should be <menuitem> elements, not <command> elements
  486. # [20:02] <jarek> <smaug____> but I wonder whether all menus are going to be rendered this way
  487. # [20:03] <jarek> is it possible to trigger contextmenu with left mouse button?
  488. # [20:03] <smaug____> depends on OS, I guess
  489. # [20:10] <dglazkov> annevk: Dimitri “good morning” Glazkov :D
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  493. # [20:13] <smaug____> jarek_: in which way should the menus be rendered?
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  495. # [20:16] <jarek_> <smaug____> I mean something like this: http://twitpic.com/68ztwa/full
  496. # [20:17] <smaug____> jarek_: isn't that how it is rendered now?
  497. # [20:17] <jarek_> <smaug____> I need HTML5 menus that would look exactly as those from native apps
  498. # [20:17] <smaug____> (I don't have a mac)
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  500. # [20:17] <jarek_> <smaug____> I have just checked menu and contextmenu element on Chrome, both are completely unstyled by default
  501. # [20:18] <smaug____> contextmenu element?
  502. # [20:18] <smaug____> and I have no idea what Chrome does
  503. # [20:19] <smaug____> I thought it doesn't support <menu type="context"> yet
  504. # [20:19] <jarek_> oopps, it should be <menu type="context">
  505. # [20:19] <dglazkov> jarek_: no implementation in WebKit as far as I know, so probably not in Chrome
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