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  91. # [04:37] <heycam> I'm wondering if there's any reason that the Function interface defined in the spec, which takes (any... args), is used for event handler attributes rather than something that takes say (Event event)
  92. # [04:37] <heycam> are there cases where those functions will be invoked with other arguments?
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  105. # [05:30] <Hixie> heycam: yes, e.g. onerror's arguments array has length 3
  106. # [05:31] <Hixie> heycam: also you can pass any function to an event handler attribute, not just one with a single argument
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  111. # [05:40] <heycam> Hixie, ok. maybe onerror should be a different type? maybe it's not worth it.
  112. # [05:41] <Hixie> what practical difference does it make?
  113. # [05:41] <heycam> none, just helpers readers of the spec know what type of values are going to be passed to the function
  114. # [05:42] <Hixie> *shrug*
  115. # [05:42] <heycam> you do have some other callback interface function things in the spec
  116. # [05:42] <Hixie> true
  117. # [05:42] <heycam> anyway, not important
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  181. # [09:49] <asmodai> Anyone got insight on this (acquaintance of mine asking): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7183196/negotiating-a-websocket-in-c-chrome-connecting-to-unity-c-tcp-client
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  187. # [09:59] <zcorpan> asmodai: doesn't chrome implement the new spec these days?
  188. # [10:00] <zcorpan> guess it doesn't seem so from the dump
  189. # [10:01] * zcorpan wonders why origin is null
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  191. # [10:02] <zcorpan> asmodai: the request doesn't include a subprotocol but the response does
  192. # [10:02] <zcorpan> asmodai: i think that should be fine per spec but maybe chrome has a bug there?
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  196. # [10:05] <zcorpan> asmodai: i'd recommend testing opera (enable in opera:config) and checking error console
  197. # [10:05] <asmodai> zcorpan: Not sure -- I also tossed it to a friend who is a chrome dev nowadays
  198. # [10:05] <asmodai> zcorpan: Opera 11.50 ought to be ok?
  199. # [10:05] <zcorpan> yeah 11.00 and up
  200. # [10:06] <zcorpan> why his dump has origin:null i don't know. is he testing from file:/// or something?
  201. # [10:08] <asmodai> "At the moment yes testing from file:/// is that likely to cause issues?"
  202. # [10:08] * zcorpan hasn't thought about the security model with opening a websocket from file:///
  203. # [10:08] <zcorpan> it could be that chrome doesn't allow opening a connection for null origins
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  205. # [10:11] <zcorpan> bbiab
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  238. # [12:28] <zcorpan> hmm, how do i reply to the gray messages between the post and the answers in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7183196/negotiating-a-websocket-in-c-chrome-connecting-to-unity-c-tcp-client ?
  239. # [12:29] <Ms2ger> "add comment"
  240. # [12:29] <Ms2ger> (You need to be logged in to see that)
  241. # [12:30] <zcorpan> i'm logged in. i only see that on the answers
  242. # [12:33] <zcorpan> *shrug*
  243. # [12:38] <Philip`> Do you need some minimum number of Stack Overflow magic beans to be allowed to do that?
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  245. # [12:39] <Philip`> http://stackoverflow.com/privileges/comment
  246. # [12:42] <zcorpan> Reputation Required
  247. # [12:42] <zcorpan> 50
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  250. # [12:49] <Ms2ger> "If the character indicated by position (the first character)"
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  252. # [13:04] <asmodai> zcorpan: ta
  253. # [13:04] <asmodai> zcorpan: upvoted ;)
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  284. # [14:05] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13891 - who's Annie?
  285. # [14:06] <Ms2ger> A woman?! ;)
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  287. # [14:09] <zcorpan> is she a mozilla guy? er, girl?
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  333. # [16:11] <benjoffe> was trying to look for good examples of sites that work well in both rtl and ltr, hard to find them (example include google, wikipedia, facebook, reddit (barely), bbc, cnn, un)
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  335. # [16:11] <benjoffe> anyone know of any list of good examples?
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  342. # [16:13] <Rik`_> benjoffe: mozilla.com ?
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  344. # [16:13] <Rik`> or at least, I hope so :)
  345. # [16:15] <benjoffe> Rik`: seems their front page works in rtl, but any of the pages with much content seem to revert to english, eg http://www.mozilla.org/ar/firefox/features/
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  347. # [16:16] <Rik`> benjoffe: well that's because the contributors have not translated it yet
  348. # [16:17] <benjoffe> hmm the addons site is okay in arabic
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  353. # [16:26] <jgraham> TabAtkins: Any idea how up to date http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/format is? In particular is there a CSS3 version of that page?
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  356. # [16:27] <Ms2ger> jgraham, up to date, AUIU
  357. # [16:27] <Ms2ger> AIUI, even
  358. # [16:29] <jgraham> Ms2ger: It doesn't mention the fact the CSS3 tests must be reftests afaict
  359. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Mm, right
  360. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> And self-describing reftests, unfortunately
  361. # [16:29] <jgraham> Is there some general page I can point people at for "everyhting one needs to know to write a CSS test that will be accepted"
  362. # [16:30] <astearns> but it does have the current reference link info for reftests
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  364. # [16:31] * jgraham notes that the amount of metadata required for CSS tests makes them way more budensome to submit than HTMLWG tests
  365. # [16:31] <astearns> how about the first link on that page? http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html
  366. # [16:33] <jgraham> astearns: That link is also wrong
  367. # [16:33] <astearns> in what way?
  368. # [16:34] <jgraham> Insofar as it doesn't say "Tests accepted by CSSWG will meet the following criteria: a) They will be self describing reftests b) etc."
  369. # [16:34] <jgraham> It's basically a document about how to write good visual tests
  370. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> a) They will be self describing reftests or b) they will be written by MS?
  371. # [16:35] <jgraham> (excuse the oxymoron)
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  373. # [16:38] <astearns> hmm - there's a page describing how to write a reftest, but I don't see anything that says they're required
  374. # [16:39] <astearns> I do believe they are meant to be required. I'll send a note to css-testsuite confirming that
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  395. # [17:27] <karlcow> mwahaha "The WHATWG does point to a ray of hope for extended namespaces in HTML5 that has been largely blocked by W3C" — http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2011/08/whos-validating-the-validators.php
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  399. # [17:30] <zcorpan> "Fourteen of Alexa's top 25 sites list HTML5 as their doctypes, he noted."
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  401. # [17:30] <zcorpan> not bad
  402. # [17:31] <jgraham> So I was just thinking http://joshduck.com/periodic-table.html was quite cool. Then I noticed the W3 Schools links
  403. # [17:32] <kennyluck> sigh
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  407. # [17:40] <zcorpan> karlcow: that article seems utterly uninformed
  408. # [17:41] <Ms2ger> "a professional technologist who personally contributed to the RSS specification"
  409. # [17:41] <Ms2ger> Now that's something I wouldn't admit to
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  411. # [17:42] <miketaylr> "Today, there is no punishment for non-compliance" maybe time for a Punishment Community Group?
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  413. # [17:45] <karlcow> zcorpan: yup definitely
  414. # [17:45] <karlcow> if tristan louis is on the channel :)
  415. # [17:46] <jgraham> Ms2ger: The only question is "which one"?
  416. # [17:46] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
  417. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Mm?
  418. # [17:46] <jgraham> 10:36 < Ms2ger> "a professional technologist who personally contributed to the RSS specification"
  419. # [17:47] <jgraham> Although put like that it sounds like the start of a play
  420. # [17:47] <jgraham> Ms2ger - a professional technologist who personally contributed to the RSS specification
  421. # [17:47] <jgraham> Hixie - a Capulet
  422. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> jgraham - A doctor?
  423. # [17:50] <jgraham> Although having dglazkov here I feel it is more like Beckett than Shakespeare
  424. # [17:51] <jgraham> Or at the very least Tom Stoppard
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  440. # [18:12] <jgraham> The colour scheme on the blog really is awful
  441. # [18:12] <jgraham> Isn't anyone with design sense interested in HTML?
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  443. # [18:12] <jgraham> Failing that could we just delete the light green bar thing?
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  445. # [18:15] <nimbu> are we talking about whatwg blog?
  446. # [18:16] <jgraham> Yes
  447. # [18:20] <nimbu> i can take a stab at it.
  448. # [18:20] <nimbu> that ugly neon green line needs to go
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  450. # [18:20] <jgraham> Yes
  451. # [18:20] <nimbu> how can I work on it?
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  454. # [18:22] <nimbu> i can ask anne when I meet him next week.
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  456. # [18:23] <jgraham> You just need an account
  457. # [18:24] <nimbu> i also want access to the theme I suppose :P
  458. # [18:24] <jgraham> Yeah, dunno what level of permissions you need for access to that
  459. # [18:25] <jgraham> I can change it
  460. # [18:25] <jgraham> Do you have an account at all?
  461. # [18:25] <dglazkov> can you make the font more pretty? I really like comic sans. It's friendly.
  462. # [18:26] <nimbu> jgraham: def not
  463. # [18:26] * nimbu glowers at dglazkov
  464. # [18:26] <dglazkov> :D
  465. # [18:26] <Ms2ger> I should ban you for that :)
  466. # [18:26] <dglazkov> and we need more pictures. Smiling people.
  467. # [18:26] <nimbu> i will just make sure you never get access to editing the theme dglazkov
  468. # [18:27] <Philip`> Make sure it uses @font-face so the page loads twice as slowly and looks ugly because the font wasn't tested on my platform
  469. # [18:27] <nimbu> smiling in face of apocalypse
  470. # [18:27] <dglazkov> nimbu: the best way to test for design experience is to ask questions like this and look for eyelid twitches
  471. # [18:28] <Ms2ger> Linux Libertine?
  472. # [18:28] <nimbu> dglazkov: it would be more than that for me
  473. # [18:28] <jgraham> nimbu: I can set you up with an account if you like
  474. # [18:28] <jgraham> Alternatively give me some CSS and I can paste it in
  475. # [18:29] <nimbu> jgraham: o that would work too. I will tweak in a bit.
  476. # [18:29] <nimbu> and link it up here.
  477. # [18:30] <jgraham> Perfect
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  490. # [19:18] <timeless> heycam|away: i'l have more comments, sorry :)
  491. # [19:18] <timeless> Word isn't done :)
  492. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> Done crashing?
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  495. # [19:27] <nimbu> jgraham: https://raw.github.com/gist/1171203/3d1dc9d34119ab94092981220252e004dde5895f/style.css
  496. # [19:27] <nimbu> (i hope you can test by just linking to that)
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  500. # [19:33] <Ms2ger> pre { font-family:Verdana, sans-serif }
  501. # [19:36] <Hixie> ok seriously
  502. # [19:36] <Hixie> how hard can it be to understand that first we figure out what problem we're trying to solve
  503. # [19:36] <nimbu> Ms2ger: i just cleaned it up a bit.
  504. # [19:36] <Hixie> and THEN we look at possible solutions?
  505. # [19:36] <nimbu> Ms2ger: i did not touch the fonts :P
  506. # [19:37] <Ms2ger> Hixie, I think we need a "proposal" element for that
  507. # [19:38] <MacTed> but I have a hammer! you *must* be able to frame your problem as a nail...
  508. # [19:39] <Ms2ger> MacTed, no, I want browsers to give me a hammer
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  517. # [20:09] <timeless> Ms2ger: hey, heycam's spec only crashed Word *once*! :)
  518. # [20:09] <timeless> oh, i met AryehGregor this morning
  519. # [20:10] <Ms2ger> timeless, so are you the mentioned Annie?! :)
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  521. # [20:11] <timeless> no, but i kinda met (at least saw her)
  522. # [20:11] <timeless> i think i even tried to introduce myself
  523. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> So, who is she?
  524. # [20:12] <timeless> she worked on Google Docs
  525. # [20:13] <timeless> and thus is more or less representing their interests
  526. # [20:13] <timeless> in things, like e.g. context menus
  527. # [20:13] <timeless> or clipboard
  528. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> Oh, an Author
  529. # [20:13] <timeless> or anything else
  530. # [20:13] <timeless> hrm
  531. # [20:13] <timeless> sure
  532. # [20:13] * timeless goes back to Word
  533. # [20:13] * timeless doesn't think google docs has a grammar checker
  534. # [20:18] <timeless> ooh, Word is now spell checking the contributors list
  535. # [20:18] <Ms2ger> I bet it doesn't like me
  536. # [20:18] <timeless> actually, it's fine w/ you
  537. # [20:19] <timeless> it didn't mind Shiki but objected to Okasaka fwiw
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  539. # [20:19] <timeless> (and had issues w/ both non latin words)
  540. # [20:21] <timeless> how do i search a mailing list? :)
  541. # [20:22] * timeless switches to gmail
  542. # [20:22] <smaug____> whaaat, disabling Google instant doesn't disable previews anymore :/
  543. # [20:22] <timeless> which preview?
  544. # [20:22] <timeless> the one's on the right of a result?
  545. # [20:22] <smaug____> yeah
  546. # [20:22] <smaug____> the really annoying ones
  547. # [20:23] * timeless shrugs
  548. # [20:23] <timeless> have you tried Bing?
  549. # [20:23] <timeless> if so, lemme know how it is ;-)
  550. # [20:23] * timeless hasn't
  551. # [20:24] <smaug____> I just changed my default search engine to Bing
  552. # [20:24] <smaug____> let's see how well it works
  553. # [20:24] <smaug____> at least the UI is better :)
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  556. # [20:25] <timeless> my tabs from last time: FishIE tank
  557. # [20:26] <timeless> woohoo
  558. # [20:26] <timeless> my tablet got a new toy!
  559. # [20:26] <timeless> (and my n900 is getting 13fps w/ 20 fish)
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  578. # [21:12] <karlcow> nimbi can the logo be bigger? Could it be shinier? And what about more photos? … (for those who know)
  579. # [21:12] <karlcow> s/nimbi/nimbu/
  580. # [21:12] <karlcow> smaug____: I'm using duckduckgo
  581. # [21:13] * dglazkov|away is now known as dglazkov
  582. # [21:13] <smaug____> karlcow: does that use Google and Bing internally ?
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  584. # [21:16] <karlcow> smaug____: result are given by Bing built with Yahoo but with an extra layer. http://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html
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  659. # [23:23] <zcorpan> rfc2397 says it imports "urlchar" from rfc2396, but the string "urlchar" doesn't appear in that document
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  662. # [23:24] <zcorpan> does it mean "uric"?
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  669. # [23:43] <zcorpan> ok so with rfc3987's reserved and unreserved chars, minus # and &, we could invent a "base79" encoding for use instead of base64 in data urls
  670. # [23:44] <zcorpan> and that still uses ' which could be problematic since then it can't be used in single-quoted values, and there's no char to represent what base64 uses "=" for
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  672. # [23:46] <erlehmann> zcorpan, why would you do that?
  673. # [23:46] <zcorpan> erlehmann: to make it more compactly encoded
  674. # [23:47] <erlehmann> (._.)
  675. # [23:47] <zcorpan> although to make it worthwhile we'd have to go beyond what rfc3987 allows i guess
  676. # [23:47] <zcorpan> 64 vs 79 (or 78) is a wash
  677. # [23:48] <erlehmann> i am very much not interested in that, base64 is okay for the occasional inline icon.
  678. # [23:48] <erlehmann> (for me)
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  680. # [23:48] <zcorpan> sure
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  682. # [23:53] <jamesr_> are you really saving anything post-gzip?
  683. # [23:54] <zcorpan> unlikely :)
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  685. # [23:55] <zcorpan> maybe if i go with a scheme similar to utf-8 and try encoding several bytes at a time... hmm
  686. # [23:57] <zcorpan> that, or i go with "naw it was a stupid idea" and go back to sleep
  687. # [23:58] * smaug____ doesn't understand what https://twitter.com/#!/slightlylate/status/106512911165435904 tries to say
  688. # [23:58] <jamesr_> http://code.google.com/p/webgl-loader/wiki/UtfEight
  689. # [23:59] <roc> http://joshduck.com/periodic-table.html
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