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  1. # Session Start: Wed Sep 28 00:00:00 2011
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  13. # [00:20] <ojan> tpac question: if i'm a member of the html wg but want to also attend the css wg meeting, do i need to check the observer box?
  14. # [00:21] <Hixie> in practice once you're there you can do whatever you want
  15. # [00:21] <Hixie> i didn't check any of the boxes, figure i'll just sit in the corridor working until someone wants me somewhere
  16. # [00:21] <ojan> Hixie: lol
  17. # [00:24] <Hixie> anyone got a testcase with dragleave that i can poke at?
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  22. # [00:28] <ojan> Hixie: http://codesearch.google.com/codesearch#search/&exact_package=chromium&q=dragleave%20file:third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests&type=cs
  23. # [00:29] <ojan> Hixie: better search: http://codesearch.google.com/codesearch#search/&exact_package=chromium&q=dragleave%20file:third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests.*html&type=cs
  24. # [00:29] <Hixie> any of those self-contained?
  25. # [00:29] <Hixie> all those i found seemed to have a bunch of helper scripts
  26. # [00:30] <Hixie> (i'm just lazy and don't want to write my own)
  27. # [00:30] <Hixie> (trying to find out whatevent.relatedTarget is in dragleave events)
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  29. # [00:32] <ojan> Hixie: http://codesearch.google.com/codesearch#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests/http/tests/misc/bubble-drag-events.html&exact_package=chromium&q=dragleave%20file:third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests.*html&ct=rc&cd=3&;sq= seems to be self-contained except for an external image
  30. # [00:32] <ojan> Hixie: nevermind...
  31. # [00:32] <ojan> Hixie: these all depend on test hardness specific stuff
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  33. # [00:34] <Hixie> eh, don't worry about it
  34. # [00:34] <Hixie> i used the debugger to show that the spec matched webkit
  35. # [00:34] <Hixie> and closed the relevant bug saying that if they wanted it to change they should attach a testcase
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  48. # [01:02] <Hixie> i wonder how to spec multipart/x-mixed-replace
  49. # [01:02] <Hixie> (in the navigate algorithm)
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  54. # [01:13] <Hixie> wow, onbeforeunload and multipart/x-mixed-replace don't mix well
  55. # [01:15] <Hixie> onunload fires in firefox
  56. # [01:15] <Hixie> safari fails to parse it right as far as i can tell
  57. # [01:16] <Hixie> and opera doesn't fire it
  58. # [01:16] <Hixie> well then
  59. # [01:17] <Hixie> firefox doesn't fire onbeforeunload
  60. # [01:20] <gsnedders> Opera practically never fires unload, though
  61. # [01:23] <Hixie> why does firefox ignore the call on http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/multipart/003.html?
  62. # [01:23] <Hixie> (go to http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/multipart/ then click the 003 link to test)
  63. # [01:23] <Hixie> (you should end up back at http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/multipart/ )
  64. # [01:27] <Hixie> ok i guess the answer is that we just repeat step 20 of the navigate algorithm for each component
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  84. # [02:29] <Hixie> i wonder how i get a multipart/x-... to abort
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  87. # [02:38] <Hixie> oh actually that will just work if i fix the bug that back() doesn't abort a document
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  89. # [02:38] <Hixie> ok so here's a question
  90. # [02:39] <Hixie> if half-way through a multipart/x-mixed-replace you hit a back() call
  91. # [02:39] <Hixie> should the browser be allowed to keep buffering that document such that if you go forward again it continues from where you left off?
  92. # [02:39] <mkanat> Ah, I would say no.
  93. # [02:39] <Hixie> not required, mind
  94. # [02:39] <Hixie> a browser can always discard anything in the session history
  95. # [02:40] <mkanat> I don't think it would make sense.
  96. # [02:40] <Hixie> yeah it'd probably hurt servers, too
  97. # [02:40] <Hixie> ok
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  99. # [02:40] <mkanat> Think of the Bugzilla use case, for example.
  100. # [02:40] <mkanat> (We're one of the only people to actually implement x-mixed-replace in a non-COMET fashion.)
  101. # [02:41] <Hixie> wouldn't that use case argue for it to be supported?
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  103. # [02:41] <Hixie> it would mean you could go forward again without waiting for the query to load
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  109. # [02:51] <mkanat> Hixie: Ah, as a Bugzilla server maintainer, I wouldn't want the server load to continue.
  110. # [02:51] <Hixie> yeah, that's what i figured
  111. # [02:51] <mkanat> Hixie: Also, usually if somebody goes back from the search page, it's to change their search and do a new one.
  112. # [02:51] <Hixie> true
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  135. # [03:49] <aho> oh boy oh boy oh boy! text-overflow:ellipsis finally landed in FF7 (stable)
  136. # [03:50] <roc> you mean it finally shipped
  137. # [03:50] <aho> eh
  138. # [03:50] <aho> yea
  139. # [03:50] <aho> :)
  140. # [03:51] <roc> that reminds me, I need to blog about how our implementation is better than everyone else's
  141. # [03:51] <aho> vertical margin collapse for tables next? :>~
  142. # [03:51] <roc> that is actually just about to land
  143. # [03:52] <aho> :O
  144. # [03:52] <aho> i was actually kinda joking
  145. # [03:52] <aho> it's the duke nukem of firefox bugs
  146. # [03:52] <aho> :>
  147. # [03:52] <aho> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87277 - reported: 2001-06-22
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  265. # [11:08] <smaug____> Someone should review quirksmode's tests
  266. # [11:08] <smaug____> and result
  267. # [11:08] <smaug____> way too many bugs there :/
  268. # [11:09] <smaug____> in the tests
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  347. # [15:18] <annevk> http://my.opera.com/daniel/blog/2011/09/28/reparse-xml-as-html hmm
  348. # [15:18] <annevk> didn't know that
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  350. # [15:18] <Rik`> does it gives an alert in the console for developers?
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  352. # [15:18] <miketaylr> it should show it in the error console
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  354. # [15:19] <annevk> but what it says about other browsers there?
  355. # [15:19] <annevk> is that actually true?
  356. # [15:19] <miketaylr> yep, http://miketaylr.com/post/d15ad477.png
  357. # [15:20] <miketaylr> that i don't know
  358. # [15:20] <annevk> and we only do this for browsing context loads I hope
  359. # [15:20] <annevk> not e.g. DOMParser or XHR
  360. # [15:20] <annevk> but that's pretty self-evident I guess
  361. # [15:21] <annevk> back later
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  406. # [16:31] <twisted`> hi, in Chrome when I use an input type image I the value gets hidden, but in Firefox it stays
  407. # [16:32] <twisted`> IE also hides it
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  413. # [16:48] <woef> Is there a plan to improve feature detection? ie let the browser itself respond whether it has already implemented certain features (correctly)?
  414. # [16:49] <Philip`> No, because the browser's response will be wrong often enough to make the feature detection useless
  415. # [16:50] <Philip`> e.g. it implements the feature but forgot to update the detection status, or it claims to implement a feature when it's unusably buggy or when it only implements half of it
  416. # [16:51] <aho> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-conditional/
  417. # [16:51] <jcranmer> or when it correctly implemented a feature but the feature has since changed under them
  418. # [16:51] <aho> @supports ( display: flexbox ) {...}
  419. # [16:51] <Philip`> Or it simply lies about the feature in order to avoid "sorry, your browser is not supported" messages on major sites
  420. # [16:55] <woef> aho: cool
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  423. # [16:57] <woef> Philip`: maybe a "we now it's fucked" marker only?
  424. # [16:57] <woef> So if it returns nothing, you're still on your own. I guess browser vendors won't risk having those around for no good reason.
  425. # [16:57] <Philip`> If they know they've implemented a feature that badly, they should disable the feature entirely
  426. # [16:57] <woef> Having problems with the placeholder positioning in webkit right now and it's damn sad.
  427. # [16:58] <Philip`> Also they often won't realise there's problems until after releasing
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  429. # [16:58] <woef> I guess things won't we that bad once we have the conditional css. Though I figured feature detection was all about not having to do that anymore :)
  430. # [17:03] <smaug____> twisted`: what you mean with "value gets hidden"?
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  432. # [17:05] <smaug____> or, what you mean "it stays"
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  435. # [17:06] <aho> woef, this *is* feature dection... just w/o the js, the added classes to the root element, and the change in selector specificity
  436. # [17:07] <aho> well, ok. the features are queried, not tested for
  437. # [17:08] <aho> (usually the used tests are just queries though) :>
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  441. # [17:19] <twisted`> smaug____: oh, well I fixed it differently (got rid of the whole form) but what I meant is: in Firefox when you create a form with a input type="image" and set a value="bla
  442. # [17:19] <twisted`> "
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  444. # [17:20] <twisted`> and then with CSS set a background image, it shows [bla] with the bg image
  445. # [17:20] <twisted`> in Chrome and IE the button is [ ] (empty value shown) with a background
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  464. # [18:00] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
  465. # [18:01] <divya> hi dglazkov!
  466. # [18:01] <divya> (finally an echoback)
  467. # [18:02] <dglazkov> divya: exactly!
  468. # [18:02] <dglazkov> :)
  469. # [18:02] <divya> :))
  470. # [18:03] <jcranmer> don't you mean good afternoon?
  471. # [18:03] <divya> dglazkov: i tl;dr; the component model spec and my tl;dr; question was are browsers allowed to create their own custom templates e.g. <x-myownbrowsersilo-component>
  472. # [18:03] <dglazkov> divya: no. That's only something authors can do.
  473. # [18:04] <dglazkov> jcranmer: it's morning outside, thus no.
  474. # [18:04] <divya> k thnx dglazkov
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  507. # [19:01] <Hixie> hm, no anne
  508. # [19:01] <Hixie> anyone know anything about XHR2 plans?
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  511. # [19:03] <nlogax> using html5 d&d, how would you for example outline areas as droppable for certain kinds of data? i had to resort to overriding the standard behavior (embedding chromium)
  512. # [19:03] <nlogax> since you can't read what's being dragged above you
  513. # [19:04] <nlogax> can of course do it in hacky ways but..
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  515. # [19:05] <smaug____> Hixie: what about XHR2 ?
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  529. # [19:28] <Hixie> nlogax: dropzone="" attribute or reading the type information from the event (you can read the type, just not the data)
  530. # [19:31] <nlogax> Hixie: but the type seems to be hardcoded to only accept a handful of things
  531. # [19:31] <nlogax> in chromium at least
  532. # [19:31] <nlogax> maybe that's a bug then?
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  534. # [19:33] <nlogax> hmm yeah, seems like it. http://jsfiddle.net/9YK5s/4/
  535. # [19:33] <nlogax> works fine in safari
  536. # [19:34] <nlogax> and firefox.. doh. picked the wrong horse.
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  573. # [20:55] <AryehGregor> rniwa, do you have an opinion on this? http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14253
  574. # [20:55] * rniwa looks
  575. # [20:56] <rniwa> AryehGregor: this is about allowing execCommand to take cm, mm, pt, etc...?
  576. # [20:56] <AryehGregor> rniwa, I'm suggesting a new command, maybe fontSizePt. fontSize takes legacy sizes 1-7, which isn't what users expect from WYSIWYG editors.
  577. # [20:57] <rniwa> oh I see
  578. # [20:57] <rniwa> mn... adding new command for each new unit seems inelegant
  579. # [20:57] <AryehGregor> I suggest a command that accepts pt, since that's what editors normally use.
  580. # [20:57] <AryehGregor> All the other absolute units are defined as a multiple of pt.
  581. # [20:57] <rniwa> mn...
  582. # [20:57] <AryehGregor> So I think it would be okay to just have one for pt.
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  584. # [20:57] <AryehGregor> We could allow input in other absolute units, like px or mm.
  585. # [20:57] <rniwa> oh I see
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  587. # [20:58] <rniwa> what you're saying that allowing it to be more precise in pt?
  588. # [20:58] <AryehGregor> So execCommand('fontSizePt', false, '12') might be the same as execCommand('fontSizePt', false, '12pt'), but you could also do execCommand('fontSizePt', false, '16px').
  589. # [20:58] <AryehGregor> Yes.
  590. # [20:58] <rniwa> right
  591. # [20:58] <rniwa> okay
  592. # [20:58] <rniwa> I think that makes sense
  593. # [20:58] <AryehGregor> However, queryCommandValue() would always have to return pt.
  594. # [20:58] <rniwa> right
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  596. # [20:58] <AryehGregor> Since it has to return some specific unit, and pt makes the most sense for WYSIWYG.
  597. # [20:58] <rniwa> although it'll be nice if it were configurable
  598. # [20:58] <AryehGregor> Although getComputedStyle returns px.
  599. # [20:58] <rniwa> but then... people can always get px value out of getComputedStyle
  600. # [20:58] <AryehGregor> How could it be configurable?
  601. # [20:58] <rniwa> add some command like
  602. # [20:59] <rniwa> FontSizeWithPx
  603. # [20:59] <rniwa> just like styleWithCSS
  604. # [20:59] <rniwa> but kind of ugly to introduce those states too though
  605. # [20:59] <rniwa> anyway lunch time for now.
  606. # [20:59] <AryehGregor> I don't like commands like that, because they're global. It will make other code do something unexpected.
  607. # [20:59] <rniwa> will be back ~hour
  608. # [20:59] <AryehGregor> Okay.
  609. # [20:59] <rniwa> AryehGregor: yeah, not too nice
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  628. # [21:24] <annevk> maybe it should expose the CSSValue API somehow
  629. # [21:24] <annevk> but I'm not really sure how
  630. # [21:24] <annevk> might be better to wait somewhat longer with introducing features such as FontSizePt until everything else is better adopted
  631. # [21:25] <AryehGregor> annevk, the current fontSize command doesn't allow you to even *set* font size to anything other than 1-7.
  632. # [21:25] <AryehGregor> And it gives you the font size back in that unit too.
  633. # [21:25] <AryehGregor> It's crippled.
  634. # [21:26] <AryehGregor> fontSizePt would work just fine for normal authoring use-cases, which fontSize does not.
  635. # [21:27] <annevk> if it's not supported now it's prolly not that high priority
  636. # [21:27] <annevk> we're still not quite sure over the CSSOM
  637. # [21:27] <annevk> not really sure this needs to move faster than that
  638. # [21:27] <AryehGregor> queryCommandValue() just returns a string.
  639. # [21:27] <AryehGregor> It can return the size in points.
  640. # [21:27] <AryehGregor> We could add a separate API later to retrieve the size in other units or whatnot.
  641. # [21:27] <AryehGregor> If anyone wants it.
  642. # [21:27] <AryehGregor> But it's not really necessary.
  643. # [21:28] <annevk> we could also wait in general
  644. # [21:28] <AryehGregor> Generally I'm trying to fix existing stuff before adding more, but this is a simple and useful addition.
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  649. # [21:41] <AryehGregor> I want to test something. Someone say my name.
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  651. # [21:43] <Philip`> AryehGregor: Like this?
  652. # [21:43] <AryehGregor> Philip`, yeah, thanks.
  653. # [21:44] <AryehGregor> Was testing whether Unity tells you which window wants your attention like gnome-panel's task switcher does. It doesn't.
  654. # [21:45] <astearns> AryehGregor: why define fontSizePt over fontSizePx?
  655. # [21:45] <AryehGregor> astearns, because all WYSIWYG editors use pt, not px.
  656. # [21:46] <astearns> but specifying on-screen browser text in points is not WYSIWYG
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  659. # [21:47] <AryehGregor> astearns, sure it is. In CSS, a 1px = 0.75pt.
  660. # [21:47] <AryehGregor> s/a //.
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  662. # [21:49] <Hixie> annevk: do you know anything about streaming upload in xhr? (i.e. where a web page is generating data to send and starts sending it before it has finished generating it)
  663. # [21:52] <astearns> AryehGregor: since points are defined by the reference pixel, I think it's less misleading to use pixels (since that's what it actually comes down to)
  664. # [21:54] <AryehGregor> astearns, the actual definitions don't really matter. Almost no one who uses a WYSIWYG editor could tell you that a pt is 1/72 of an inch. It's an arbitrary unit that people are used to, that's all.
  665. # [21:55] <astearns> I'd rather the web platform push "16px" as normal text, instead of "12pt" that's not particularly relevant to the screen
  666. # [21:55] <AryehGregor> I'd rather the web platform do whatever users expect.
  667. # [21:55] <AryehGregor> Web pages are printable too, you know.
  668. # [21:56] <astearns> 16px prints out just fine
  669. # [21:56] <AryehGregor> px is meaningless for print, however.
  670. # [21:56] <AryehGregor> Just like pt is meaningless for screen.
  671. # [21:56] <AryehGregor> The difference is, users are used to pt.
  672. # [21:59] <TabAtkins> "meaningless" being relative, since the two are defined to have a strict ratio to each other.
  673. # [22:00] <AryehGregor> We could make the API px and expect authors to translate to pt, but they'll get it wrong.
  674. # [22:00] <AryehGregor> So let's just make it pt to start with.
  675. # [22:00] <astearns> is the fontSizeSomething API being designed for those WYSIWYG users who are scared of pixels?
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  677. # [22:01] <AryehGregor> astearns, yes. The entire execCommand() API is for WYSIWYG.
  678. # [22:01] <astearns> there are a lot of people around me who do know what points are, and get it wrong when they assume that CSS points are 1/72 of an inch :)
  679. # [22:01] <TabAtkins> AryehGregor: He meant wysiwyg development, not scripting a wysiwyg editor.
  680. # [22:02] <AryehGregor> astearns, CSS points are 1/72 of a CSS inch, and also 1/72 of an actual inch when printed.
  681. # [22:02] <AryehGregor> TabAtkins, hmm?
  682. # [22:02] <annevk> Hixie, it's not supported
  683. # [22:02] <TabAtkins> AryehGregor: execCommand() is for scripting a WYSIWYG editor. Alan's talking, I think, about a WYSIWYG coding environment.
  684. # [22:02] <astearns> WYSIWYG editors could still display pt in the UI, but use a fontSizePx method
  685. # [22:03] <Hixie> annevk: any plans?
  686. # [22:03] <AryehGregor> astearns, assuming the authors of those editors know that 0.75px = 1pt. Which they probably won't. Why make them?
  687. # [22:03] <annevk> Hixie, so far the only request has been streaming "downloads"
  688. # [22:03] <AryehGregor> Make the API work for the common case, and let authors translate to the uncommon case.
  689. # [22:03] <Hixie> annevk: ah, interesting.
  690. # [22:04] <Hixie> annevk: is it something that could be added if use cases were presented, or is xhr unlikely to change again?
  691. # [22:04] <annevk> Hixie, I guess we might enhance XHR some more
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  693. # [22:05] <Hixie> annevk: k, thanks
  694. # [22:05] <astearns> all of the hand-coded CSS advice I've read lately encourages people to use px (if they want to use an absolute size). Adding new APIs in points seems retrograde to me
  695. # [22:05] <annevk> gonna get some sleep now
  696. # [22:05] <AryehGregor> astearns, this is not about hand-coded CSS. It's an API to auto-generate CSS.
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  698. # [22:05] <AryehGregor> Typically, the CSS won't ever be viewed by a person.
  699. # [22:06] <AryehGregor> Also, "I read advice lately that encourages using px" is not itself a very compelling argument.
  700. # [22:06] * AryehGregor wonders why EC2 Windows instances take 15-30 minutes after startup to generate a password that actually lets you log in
  701. # [22:07] * AryehGregor also wonders why he has to enter a private key to get the password
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  703. # [22:07] <AryehGregor> I mean, a) I don't see what attack scenario that averts, and b) isn't the whole point of public-key cryptography that you never have to give out your key to anyone?
  704. # [22:08] <TabAtkins> That seems completely broken.
  705. # [22:08] <AryehGregor> It's a private key from a keypair they generated, so it doesn't bother me much.
  706. # [22:08] <AryehGregor> But it seems pretty dumb.
  707. # [22:09] <AryehGregor> I assume that a Linux instance would just allow login directly with the private key.
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  709. # [22:09] <AryehGregor> (without disclosing it, obviously)
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  714. # [22:12] <gsnedders> Yay, and so Hotmail makes it practically impossible for us to drop another non-standard feature (currentStyle), as the codepath we end up on is one they don't officially support, so if we break anything on it due to dropping a non-standard feature, we simply break the site. They won't fix it. :\
  715. # [22:12] <Hixie> noooo where did anne go
  716. # [22:13] <TabAtkins> Probably dead.
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  718. # [22:14] <wilhelm> Last seen drinking beer in a restaurant near the office. Yeah, probably dead.
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  736. # [22:54] <AryehGregor> So there's no way to get the latest IE10 preview except installing a Windows 8 VM?
  737. # [22:54] <AryehGregor> Which probably will not work on an AWS VM?
  738. # [22:54] <Hixie> this appears to be the case
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  741. # [22:55] <AryehGregor> PP2 is no longer available?
  742. # [22:55] * AryehGregor grumbles
  743. # [22:56] <Hixie> so you can get a beta of firefox, 30MB or so and runs on the spot, or you can download IE10, 1.5GB or so, needs its own partition and several reboots, and won't run side-by-side with any of your other browsers.
  744. # [22:57] <Hixie> as you might guess, I'm not spending as much time testing IE these days
  745. # [22:57] <AryehGregor> IE9 works fine in a VM.
  746. # [22:57] <Hixie> yeah that's how i test it
  747. # [22:57] <Hixie> (remote VM, but same idea)
  748. # [22:57] <AryehGregor> Also, is there some MS Office free crippled version that I can use for testing on my VM? Otherwise maybe I'll have to not test it.
  749. # [22:58] <AryehGregor> (I'm using a remote VM too, EC2)
  750. # [22:58] <AryehGregor> (costs me $3/month for the storage plus $0.03/hour for using it)
  751. # [22:59] <AryehGregor> I wish I could use less storage. 20G of that 30G is unused.
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  753. # [23:00] <AryehGregor> But savings of $1.50/month is not worth trying to see if I can shrink the Windows root partition while the system is running.
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  755. # [23:00] <AryehGregor> I've done that on Linux, mind you! It was fun. And this was without LVM or md or anything fancy, or with any extra devices. It was basically something like everything on /dev/sda1, which took up all of /dev/sda, with no other disks.
  756. # [23:01] <AryehGregor> (the solution involved copying essential files to a tmpfs, pivot_root, and then killing or restarting any processes using the old root partition so I could unmount it)
  757. # [23:02] <AryehGregor> But somehow I doubt Windows is capable of such things.
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  759. # [23:02] <AryehGregor> <3 Linux
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  771. # [23:25] <zcorpan> Hixie: "+ <p>Here, a a column"
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  776. # [23:39] <zcorpan> http://smus.com/game-asset-loader - feedback on appcache
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