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  160. # [12:44] <smaug____> Ms2ger: FYI, I'm pretty sure I won't accept a patch which overloads appendChild() etc
  161. # [12:48] <annevk> we overload everywhere else
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  163. # [12:51] <smaug____> annevk: why to overload in this case?
  164. # [12:51] * smaug____ tries to find some reasoning in webapps mailing list archive..
  165. # [12:52] <smaug____> the original idea was .append(), which feels better
  166. # [12:54] * smaug____ can't find any reasoning for overloaded appendChild() etc
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  169. # [13:00] <annevk> cause it makes sense and is convenient?
  170. # [13:01] <annevk> introducing a whole array of new methods seems rather expensive
  171. # [13:01] <smaug____> how is it convenient ?
  172. # [13:01] <annevk> and not really consinstent
  173. # [13:01] <annevk> consistent*
  174. # [13:01] <smaug____> how are new methods any more expensive than overloading existing ones ?
  175. # [13:02] <smaug____> overloading makes methods slower
  176. # [13:02] <annevk> you get way more methods to remember, objects get bigger, etc.
  177. # [13:03] <smaug____> (and appendChild etc are very "hot" methods in the web)
  178. # [13:03] <smaug____> objects get bigger?
  179. # [13:03] <smaug____> (shared) prototype may contain the new method, but that's it
  180. # [13:04] <annevk> i guess if the speed argument holds up that may be problematic
  181. # [13:04] <annevk> but not everyone was convinced it would
  182. # [13:07] <annevk> and if we introduce a new append() method that does the overloading and stuff you have the same basic problem
  183. # [13:07] <annevk> overloading appendChild further was also discussed in the Element.create threads btw
  184. # [13:07] <annevk> for consistency with how that would work
  185. # [13:07] <smaug____> append() would be the possibly-slower overloaded thingie
  186. # [13:07] <smaug____> I don't understand why to make backwards incompatible changes to appendChild
  187. # [13:08] <smaug____> (not that I'm really worried about backwards compatibility in this case)
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  226. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690287, for people with an interest in UA sniffing
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  228. # [16:28] <Rik`> ah that reminds me I have to open a bug
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  237. # [17:19] <smaug____> could someone educate me; what is the use case for iframe's srcdoc ?
  238. # [17:20] <Hixie> sandboxing comments in a blog post
  239. # [17:21] <smaug____> Hixie: how is srcdoc different from src="data:text/html,... ?
  240. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-January/024823.html
  241. # [17:21] <Hixie> smaug____: easier to not screw up the escaping
  242. # [17:21] <smaug____> Hixie: but that is the only difference?
  243. # [17:22] <Hixie> smaug____: the only one of consequence, i think
  244. # [17:22] <smaug____> ok
  245. # [17:23] <Hixie> there's also some minor things like you don't need a <title> in a srcdoc document
  246. # [17:23] <Hixie> and i may have said that it's always in standards mode, i forget
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  248. # [17:24] <smaug____> I think I didn't find the place which describes the structure of srcdoc document
  249. # [17:24] <smaug____> I thought it would be parsed like data:text/html,
  250. # [17:24] <smaug____> well, like anything else
  251. # [17:25] * smaug____ can't remember if parser creates <title> automatically
  252. # [17:25] <Ms2ger> No
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  255. # [17:32] <Hixie> oh another difference is that relative URLs in srcdoc documents resolve relative to the parent doc
  256. # [17:32] <Hixie> with data: URLs you can't use relative URLs
  257. # [17:33] <Hixie> similarly, Referer: headers get set correctly for srcdoc docs but not data: docs
  258. # [17:35] <Hixie> anyway the net result is that a srcdoc works better than data: would and you don't have to be as verbose and you're less likely to screw up the escaping, which makes it more secure in practice
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  267. # [18:21] <smaug____> Hixie: ah
  268. # [18:22] <smaug____> where is it spec'ed that relative URLs work like that
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  271. # [18:24] * smaug____ wishes the place where srcdoc is defined would mention that relative URLs work differently etc
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  276. # [18:41] <Hixie> smaug____: click on the definition of "srcdoc document" and it links you to all the places that mention it
  277. # [18:42] <smaug____> oh
  278. # [18:42] <smaug____> that doesn't look like something one could click
  279. # [18:42] <smaug____> but ok
  280. # [18:42] <smaug____> thanks
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  282. # [18:42] <Hixie> all the definitions are clickable (doesn't work so well in the multipage version, unfortunately)
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  325. # [21:18] <AryehGregor> compiz is using 2.6G of resident memory.
  326. # [21:18] <AryehGregor> . . .
  327. # [21:21] * AryehGregor wonders if it's related to his use of unsupported experimental video drivers
  328. # [21:28] * AryehGregor wonders what happens if he kills compiz . . . probably ends his desktop session
  329. # [21:28] <AryehGregor> Let's find out!
  330. # [21:29] <AryehGregor> Absolutely nothing.
  331. # [21:29] <AryehGregor> Probably because of the compiz --replace I had already run.
  332. # [21:30] <AryehGregor> New incantation to reduce obscene memory usage: Alt-F2, exec compiz --replace, then kill -9 the old compiz from a terminal.
  333. # [21:30] <AryehGregor> <3 Linux
  334. # [21:34] <bga_> :)
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  362. # [23:02] <annevk> Hixie, would probably still be useful to mention in a non-normative note what the differences are explicitly
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