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  1. # Session Start: Sat Oct 08 00:00:01 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> i can say that if you like
  4. # [00:00] <annevk> the event listeners associated with the EventTarget surely change in some way?
  5. # [00:01] <Hixie> no
  6. # [00:02] <Hixie> all that changes is the value of the event handler
  7. # [00:02] <Hixie> (which i think is already defined)
  8. # [00:02] <Hixie> (but i can check in a sec)
  9. # [00:02] <Hixie> the event listener itself is just a small anonymous function that calls the event handler if it's not null
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  11. # [00:02] <Hixie> all event listeners that have ever been set to a non-null value have the same one
  12. # [00:02] <Hixie> the same anonymous function, i mean
  13. # [00:03] <annevk> oh interesting
  14. # [00:04] <annevk> I wonder if that's exposed in any way
  15. # [00:04] <Hixie> if it wasn't done that way "return false" wouldn't work
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  25. # [00:17] <Hixie> annevk: what does "a Function object" mean in DOM Core?
  26. # [00:17] <Hixie> a JS Function object?
  27. # [00:17] <Hixie> or an object implementing the HTML spec's Function interface?
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  29. # [00:19] <Hixie> and is the callback this value for addEventListener() really the target, not the currentTarget?
  30. # [00:19] <Hixie> for event handlers it's the currentTarget, right?
  31. # [00:20] <annevk> yeah, ECMAScript
  32. # [00:20] <smaug____> callback this value must be currentTarget
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  35. # [00:23] <smaug____> (well, of course not if callback is actually an object, not a function)
  36. # [00:24] <annevk> smaug____, thanks fixed
  37. # [00:24] <annevk> Hixie, I wasn't sure how to mark up Function
  38. # [00:24] <Hixie> yeah
  39. # [00:25] <annevk> Hixie, it's currentTarget for both apparently, didn't test properly :(
  40. # [00:25] <Hixie> k
  41. # [00:25] <annevk> but the spec is fixed now
  42. # [00:27] <annevk> oops, bedtime, ttyl
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  44. # [00:29] <michaelw> if a script element which has async or defer set is removed from the document tree *before* the script actually run, should it still run eventually?
  45. # [00:30] <Hixie> i believe the answer is no
  46. # [00:30] <Hixie> wait
  47. # [00:30] <michaelw> anything else would've raised more questions :)
  48. # [00:30] <Hixie> it depends on whether the element was inserted by the parser or not
  49. # [00:31] <Hixie> see a Function object
  50. # [00:31] <Hixie> er
  51. # [00:31] <Hixie> see http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#execute-the-script-block
  52. # [00:31] * michaelw looks
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  54. # [00:33] <Hixie> annevk: dom core doesn't pass the Event object to the listener!
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  56. # [00:45] <michaelw> Hixie: hmm, I don't see it in the section you referenced, but in the section directly above (in particular, step 15), I could read it that way, because the defer scripts go to the "list of scripts that will execute when the document has finished parsing" (and async scripts to the "set of scripts that will execute ASAP")
  57. # [00:47] <michaelw> however, fun starts if a defer script is in that lists, and the document is blown away and a new one is created (which I understand is possible)...
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  62. # [01:02] <Hixie> michaelw: if the document is blown away, the list is never used, is it?
  63. # [01:02] <Hixie> i don't recall exactly where the list is used
  64. # [01:02] <Hixie> in the parser is one place
  65. # [01:02] <Hixie> i think in the script section is the other, there's some text somewhere that talks about it
  66. # [01:02] <Hixie> this particular part of hte spec is one of the most complicated aspects of the web platform, fwiw
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  70. # [01:06] <michaelw> Hixie: even for the case that a script wants to remove everything from a document, there is no way to avoid executing the (then potentially unneeded) async and defer scripts
  71. # [01:06] <michaelw> (by everything I mean all nodes)
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  79. # [01:33] <danbeam> anybody know if there's a specified way to remove a branch of the DOM tree from the tab order?
  80. # [01:34] <smaug____> removeChild
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  82. # [01:34] <smaug____> (I guess you mean something else)
  83. # [01:37] <Hixie> michaelw: oh well you can just put an if statement at the top of the script and set a flag that it checks to decide to not bother :-)
  84. # [01:39] <danbeam> smaug____: no, from the tab order, not the DOM
  85. # [01:39] <danbeam> smaug____: i.e. tabindex="-1" works hiearchically
  86. # [01:40] <danbeam> I've always found a pain to have to remove every focusable element from the tab order manually rather than just set an indicator on an ancestor
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  88. # [01:46] <smaug____> danbeam: you really want only remove tab-to-focus, not focus-using-mouse ?
  89. # [01:54] <danbeam> smaug____: tab focus, yeah
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  194. # [08:31] <erlehmann> since most of you are probably older than me (23): how often do amok deletes like the one of mark pilgrim happen in general?
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  299. # [17:29] <Philip`> Ms2ger: Yes
  300. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> Philip`, could you have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407107#c1?
  301. # [17:33] <Ms2ger> Anyway, I'm off for today; please dump your answer in the logs :)
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  306. # [17:47] <Philip`> Ms2ger: Replied on bug
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