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  202. # [08:36] <zcorpan> "Table having datatable="0" attribute is layout table (Firefox 10)" http://asurkov.blogspot.com/2011/10/data-vs-layout-table.html
  203. # [08:38] <hsivonen> zcorpan: I tried to comment to ask what that was about, but the commenting system didn't work in Firefox
  204. # [08:39] <hsivonen> oh, now there are additional comments explaining that it's a JAWSism
  205. # [08:39] <hsivonen> sigh
  206. # [08:45] <hsivonen> I was able to comment using Opera
  207. # [08:46] <hsivonen> could be due to Blogger sniffing problems with Firefox 10
  208. # [08:46] <hsivonen> or I have some privacy settings in Firefox that Blogger doesn't like
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  226. # [09:41] <foolip> annevk, doesn't http://jsconsole.com/ and http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/ have the same issue?
  227. # [09:42] <zcorpan> foolip: yes
  228. # [09:42] <zcorpan> foolip: but they don't have a blog in the same origin
  229. # [09:43] <zcorpan> foolip: so i can XSS your blog
  230. # [09:43] <foolip> zcorpan, my blog is at blog.foolip.org, but I guess that doesn't help for cookies?
  231. # [09:43] <zcorpan> oh, i thought it was at foolip.org
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  235. # [09:47] <zcorpan> foolip: btw, your viewer loses styles when going back/forward in opera
  236. # [09:47] <foolip> zcorpan, yeah, I've seen that, but don't understand why
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  246. # [10:03] <foolip> nessy1, <data> isn't relevant to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/issue-179_no_change
  247. # [10:04] <foolip> and neither are data-* attributes if the point is to forward information to a plugin architecture
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  249. # [10:05] <zcorpan> foolip: the textarea has class "processed" when it's rendered correctly
  250. # [10:05] <zcorpan> foolip: and no class after navigation
  251. # [10:07] <foolip> zcorpan, the side-effects make it seem like scripts aren't re-run on navigation, or that the previous state is not kept, whichever it is we do when navigating history
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  253. # [10:09] <zcorpan> foolip: in your case i think we do a bfcache navigation, so scripts aren't rerun. but i don't know why the state isn't kept
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  255. # [10:10] <foolip> I'll file a site compat bug
  256. # [10:10] <zcorpan> so both :)
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  297. # [11:44] <foolip> Hixie, what's the vocabs-index file in the spec source? It's out of sync, at least.
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  325. # [13:20] <hsivonen> Can someone remind me what the latest thinking on data: URL origin inherince is?
  326. # [13:21] <hsivonen> Does a doc loaded from a data: URL have a unique origin or the origin of the document that created the data: URL?
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  367. # [14:20] <smaug____> Ms2ger: is moznet down? (or is it just me who has problems to connect to that irc server)
  368. # [14:20] <Ms2ger> gravel.m.o wfm
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  379. # [14:28] <smaug____> ping irc.mozilla.org
  380. # [14:28] <smaug____> ping: unknown host irc.mozilla.org
  381. # [14:33] <plutoniix> smaug____, dns problem ?- -
  382. # [14:33] <smaug____> could be
  383. # [14:33] <smaug____> but works now
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  392. # [14:48] <bga_> hm
  393. # [14:48] <bga_> is it possible to style <area>?
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  409. # [15:12] <annevk> via dino: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z09bNgSeMI
  410. # [15:12] <annevk> seems like something I have to watch
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  417. # [15:24] <annevk> hsivonen, origin of the document that created it
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  420. # [15:29] <hsivonen> annevk: thanks. And WebKit hasn't fixed that yet?
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  422. # [15:31] <annevk> hsivonen, correct
  423. # [15:31] <hsivonen> ok
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  467. # [16:40] * foolip must be out of touch with reality, seeing all the shock and outrage over the end of <time>
  468. # [16:40] <Ms2ger> I see what you did there
  469. # [16:41] <J_Voracek> Nice ;-)
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  472. # [16:45] <zcorpan> yeah i don't understand why the fuzz
  473. # [16:45] <foolip> Is it only inside this echo chamber that it seems to make sense, and in that case why?
  474. # [16:45] <Ms2ger> Because a spec in LC must be "STABLE"
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  476. # [16:46] <foolip> Actually, I haven't seen anyone pulling the "stop changing things at random" argument
  477. # [16:46] <foolip> More "but it's so useful, I use it all the <time>!"
  478. # [16:46] <Ms2ger> I saw shelly make that argument
  479. # [16:48] <foolip> So maybe I missed that, in any case most people seem to be upset about the substance of the change rather than the fact that a change happened
  480. # [16:50] <bga_> http://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/why-learning-haskell-python-makes-you-a-worse-programmer/
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  482. # [16:51] <zcorpan> brucel argued that <data value> can't be validated. it can, of course, but it moves from the html layer validation to the microdata vocab layer validation
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  487. # [16:52] <zcorpan> i guess i should comment on his blog
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  489. # [16:53] <miketaylr> http://twitter.com/#!/LeaVerou/status/130837370185580545
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  493. # [16:56] <zcorpan> i agree with brucel's point though that data-* and <data> are for different uses is confusing
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  495. # [16:57] <zcorpan> is there a need for an element at all? can it be a global itemvalue="" instead?
  496. # [16:57] <zcorpan> microformats can't use that, but they refused to use <time> anyway, so anything we introduce for microformats won't be used by microformats according to the track record
  497. # [17:00] <zcorpan> maybe itemvalue="" would be confusing on <a>, <object> etc
  498. # [17:01] <miketaylr> zcorpan: i don't think this sentence is going to help alleviate confusion between <data> and data-*: "The element can also, however, be used in conjunction with scripts in the page, for when a script has store a literal value alongside a human-readable value. In such cases, the format to be used depends only on the needs of the script. (The data-* attributes can also be useful in such situations.)"
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  505. # [17:07] <foolip> miketaylr, file a bug?
  506. # [17:07] <miketaylr> foolip: can do. already filed one on the typo.
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  510. # [17:12] <Hixie> foolip: it's historical
  511. # [17:12] <foolip> mkay, otherwise I'd have told you that you left <time> in it
  512. # [17:13] <Hixie> i should probably remove it
  513. # [17:14] <Hixie> there, it's gone
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  534. # [17:49] <Ms2ger> "Alex: Let's make floats work."
  535. # [17:49] <Ms2ger> Hear, hear
  536. # [17:50] <gsnedders> heheheh.
  537. # [17:50] <gsnedders> Oh Alex…
  538. # [17:50] <gsnedders> (Mogilevsky, I presume?)
  539. # [17:51] <Ms2ger> Yep
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  596. # [18:50] <myakura> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/live/ "W3C's serving capacity for various XML schemata (.dtd, .mod, .ent, .xsd) is exceeded at present."
  597. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> Let's get rid of them!
  598. # [18:54] <AryehGregor> It's what, less than a hundred files? You should be able to serve ten thousand requests per second from one machine if it's configured properly and doesn't have terrible hardware.
  599. # [18:55] <AryehGregor> Periods of sustained bandwidth usage of 350 Mbps is going to be kind of expensive, but mostly just for the bandwidth.
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  601. # [18:55] * wilhelm holds down F5. That probably helps.
  602. # [18:56] <AryehGregor> Server-wise, you'd need only a handful of boxes running Varnish or Squid.
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  606. # [18:59] <Philip`> Won't you tend to run out of things like port numbers if you have tens of thousands of requests on a single machine?
  607. # [19:01] <Philip`> (Apache seems to have problems with even dozens of requests per second, so I've used Squid on some site for that, but haven't had to worry about really high traffic)
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  612. # [19:03] <Hixie> how many browsers have <details> now? is it worth adding an event for when it opens yet?
  613. # [19:04] <Hixie> do we have an event that would be suitable for that?
  614. # [19:04] <Hixie> i'm thinking onchange, but it bubbles normally which seems bad for this kind of thing
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  623. # [19:11] <annevk> wtf
  624. # [19:11] <annevk> there's like >200 people in the room
  625. # [19:11] <annevk> TabAtkins just blamed me
  626. # [19:11] * myakura thinks better no to go..
  627. # [19:12] <karlcow> annevk: more like 20,000.
  628. # [19:12] <annevk> over 9000!
  629. # [19:12] <jgraham> Hixie: I thought just webkit, but lst I saw the implementation was horrible
  630. # [19:12] <karlcow> ;)
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  632. # [19:12] <paul_irish> Hixie: why would a bubble be bad for details onchange?
  633. # [19:13] <smaug____> paul_irish: because change event has been traditionally used for other things
  634. # [19:13] <paul_irish> aye
  635. # [19:13] <paul_irish> event.target.nodeName wasssupppp
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  637. # [19:13] <jgraham> onchange seems like a horrible event to use
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  639. # [19:14] <paul_irish> i would mostly agree with that part. the bubbling i'd want though
  640. # [19:14] <smaug____> ontoggle or some such would be better, I think
  641. # [19:15] <jgraham> Right, that seems like a better name and less chance of conflict with existing code
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  643. # [19:16] <myakura> Hixie: AFAIK, WebKit has some support but Safari preffed it off, so Chrome is the only browser which currently supports <details>
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  646. # [19:19] <jernoble> Hixie: MediaController question for you: is the "most recently reported readiness state" intentionally left out of the IDL for MediaController? Same Q for the "playback state".
  647. # [19:20] <karlcow> http://www.cloudfour.com/device-detection-as-the-future-friendly-img-option/
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  649. # [19:20] <jernoble> Hixie: it just seems weird to me that you can't ask a MediaController what it's playbackState is.
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  655. # [19:27] <slightlyoff> why is bubbling bad for that?
  656. # [19:27] <slightlyoff> bubbling is nearly always good
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  661. # [19:39] <Hixie> paul_irish: because otherwise if you nest them, it would be hard to use an onfoo="" event handler on the outer one
  662. # [19:39] <Hixie> paul_irish: (or indeed if you put any form controls in it, if we reuse change)
  663. # [19:39] <Hixie> myakura: k, thanks
  664. # [19:40] <Hixie> jernoble: how do you mean?
  665. # [19:40] <jernoble> Hixie: so, i'm in the middle of doing a first-pass implementation of MediaController in WebKit
  666. # [19:40] <jernoble> Hixie: and so i'm writing some test cases to double check my implementation
  667. # [19:41] <jernoble> Hixie: and i realize halfway through that I have no way of testing, from within a running page, what the ready state of a given MediaController is
  668. # [19:41] <Hixie> hm, good point
  669. # [19:41] <Hixie> i guess you can work it out pretty easily
  670. # [19:41] <Hixie> it's just the lowest value of all the slaves, right?
  671. # [19:41] <jernoble> Hixie: sure, you could do the same work in the script as you do in the UA.
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  673. # [19:42] <jernoble> Hixie: but the UA has to calculate it anyway, and it would be very simple for me to wire up a new accessor for that pre-calculated value
  674. # [19:42] <Hixie> that's probably why it's not exposed -- i just needed to calculate it to expose the events, not for the IDL
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  676. # [19:42] <Hixie> but if there's a use case for it, we can add it to the IDL
  677. # [19:43] <Hixie> send mail describing the use case :-)
  678. # [19:43] <jernoble> Hixie: sure thing. :)
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  689. # [20:19] <Hixie> if anyone wants to play openttd with us, btw, we have a server running -- server name is TPAC, /msg me for the password
  690. # [20:19] <Hixie> we'll be running it all week
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  713. # [20:41] <TabAtkins_> Ms2ger, annevk: Is there anything fundamentally wrong with a DOM event firing on an element that's no longer in the DOM (but not deleted, just removed)?
  714. # [20:42] <TabAtkins_> Specifically in the context of animationEnded events.
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  716. # [20:42] <Ms2ger> Not in a document? No
  717. # [20:42] <TabAtkins_> Nothing wrong?
  718. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> Don't think so
  719. # [20:43] <TabAtkins_> kk
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  724. # [20:45] <TabAtkins_> smaug____: Any second opinions? (The CSSWG is just wanting to make sure.)
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  727. # [20:47] <zewt> DOM events are used on things that aren't nodes at all, anyway
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  729. # [20:48] <zewt> i'd think lots of events would already be received on nodes already in that case, if you remove the node when the task is already queued, but maybe they're cleared somehow
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  769. # [21:42] <AryehGregor> TabAtkins, I'm pretty sure all kinds of events already fire on nodes that don't descend from a Document.
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  771. # [21:43] <AryehGregor> Like what if you do var audio = new Audio(url); audio.play()?
  772. # [21:43] <annevk> yes events can fire whenever
  773. # [21:43] <AryehGregor> Mutation events presumably fire on such nodes too.
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  775. # [21:46] <AryehGregor> "Microsoft Corp. has joined the HTML Editing APIs Community Group"
  776. # [21:46] <AryehGregor> Awesome!
  777. # [21:47] * AryehGregor does a little dance
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  779. # [22:04] <dglazkov> yay AryehGregor
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  785. # [22:14] <MikeSmith> AryehGregor: booyah
  786. # [22:16] <hober> word
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  791. # [22:18] <slightlyoff> hooray
  792. # [22:19] <jgraham> Hmm, using getOwnPropertyDescriptor on native objects seems to be problematic. Or I am doing something wrong?
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  794. # [22:19] <slightlyoff> on host objects?
  795. # [22:19] <jgraham> Yeah
  796. # [22:20] <jgraham> One day I will get those terms the right way around
  797. # [22:20] * slightlyoff checks the spec
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  803. # [22:23] <jgraham> Hmm, seems to work OK in some cases. It's probably more of a WebIDL compliance problem
  804. # [22:25] <jgraham> (alternate point of view: WebIDL is a lie)
  805. # [22:25] <Ms2ger> All specs are cake
  806. # [22:25] <heycam> mmmm spec cake
  807. # [22:25] <dglazkov> Can someone throw something at Ms2ger so that I can identify him in the room?
  808. # [22:25] * Ms2ger waves at dglazkov
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  811. # [22:26] <dglazkov> Ms2ger: ah, so you're not in the room :)
  812. # [22:26] <Ms2ger> Indeed
  813. # [22:27] <slightlyoff> so these things should be able to return property descriptors
  814. # [22:27] <slightlyoff> they're required to have semantics for all of the [[]] opeations
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  816. # [22:27] <jgraham> slightlyoff: Yup
  817. # [22:27] <slightlyoff> implementation bug
  818. # [22:28] <jgraham> It seems like I was being unreasoably optimistic about how closely anyone followed the inheritance/accessor property requirements in WebIDL
  819. # [22:28] <heycam> :)
  820. # [22:29] <dglazkov> slightlyoff: where are you?
  821. # [22:30] <slightlyoff> webapps
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  825. # [22:37] <gsnedders> jgraham: Does ES5 guarantee that getOwnPropertyDescriptor will work on a host-object? I think not. The intention of WebIDL is that it should, though.
  826. # [22:38] <jgraham> gsnedders: Dunno
  827. # [22:40] <dglazkov> This TPAC thing is highway robbery. I came to see famous people. And they don't even have Ms2ger!
  828. # [22:40] <Ms2ger> Hah
  829. # [22:41] <Scorchin> dglazkov: What's TPAC?
  830. # [22:41] * Scorchin wants it to be a 2pac conference
  831. # [22:41] <gsnedders> What's Ms2ger? Is it a person?
  832. # [22:41] <dglazkov> it's a week-long celebration of Tupac Shakur
  833. # [22:41] <Scorchin> 8D
  834. # [22:41] <Philip`> I'm not sure that Ms2ger actually has a corporeal existence
  835. # [22:41] <dglazkov> that's disappointing
  836. # [22:42] <gsnedders> Nor am I.
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  838. # [22:43] <Scorchin> "... brings together W3C Working, Interest, and Incubator Groups, the Advisory Board, the TAG and the Advisory Committee for an exciting week of coordinated work"
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  842. # [22:46] <hober> Scorchin: well, it is Halloween, so 2pac and t-pain costumes are preferred.
  843. # [22:47] <Hixie> heycam: what's the default default value of a dictionary member?
  844. # [22:47] <Scorchin> hober: :D
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  846. # [22:47] <heycam> Hixie, default default? :)
  847. # [22:47] <heycam> Hixie, there's no such thing. the dictionary member is not present.
  848. # [22:47] <tantek> hello, is this the unofficial TPAC 2011 backchannel?
  849. # [22:48] <Scorchin> Wow, that Marriott has meeting rooms named after Californian cities/towns. That's not at all confusing to hear over the phone.
  850. # [22:48] <heycam> tantek, I thought that would be #tpac in irc.w3.org
  851. # [22:49] <Philip`> That doesn't sound very unofficial
  852. # [22:49] <tantek> heycam, #tpac in irc.w3.org is the *official* backchannel
  853. # [22:49] <Hixie> heycam: ah ok
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  855. # [22:49] <gsnedders> How about #nottpac on irc.w3.org? :P
  856. # [22:49] <Hixie> heycam: so basically it's whatever the prose says?
  857. # [22:49] <Hixie> ok
  858. # [22:49] * heycam missed the "un"
  859. # [22:49] <heycam> Hixie, yes, it's invalid for the prose to uncondtionally get the value of such a dictionary member, since it may not be present
  860. # [22:50] <Hixie> [24~k
  861. # [22:51] <zewt> tty smash
  862. # [22:52] <Ms2ger> Did Hixie bring a cat to TPAC?
  863. # [22:52] <annevk> heycam, setting it to undefined, is that the same as not present?
  864. # [22:52] <Ms2ger> No
  865. # [22:53] <annevk> guess it would end up meaning the same
  866. # [22:53] <gsnedders> annevk: No, it wouldn't.
  867. # [22:53] <gsnedders> annevk: hasOwnProperty would return a different value.
  868. # [22:54] <heycam> annevk, wouldn't mean the same thing. maybe the default value is something not just a constant value. you need to describe that in prose rather than idl.
  869. # [22:55] <annevk> gsnedders, I was talking about new EventSource(..., {withCredentials:undefined})
  870. # [22:55] <heycam> annevk, oh sorry I misunderstood
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  872. # [22:55] <heycam> that's the topic of the recent thread on public-script-coord
  873. # [22:55] <annevk> heycam, should event dictionaries have default values?
  874. # [22:56] <annevk> euh, dictionaries
  875. # [22:56] <annevk> I guess in general you don't really want that
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  877. # [22:56] <annevk> so maybe that should just be dropped
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  880. # [22:57] <heycam> default values are probably sensible in most cases I would've thought
  881. # [23:01] <slightlyoff> if you don't have a default, you should throw when you don't get everything. I'd have thought that defaults are obviously useful
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  883. # [23:01] <jgraham> +1
  884. # [23:03] <annevk> ew
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  888. # [23:03] <slightlyoff> ew?
  889. # [23:03] <annevk> for event constructors you don't need a default
  890. # [23:03] <annevk> but you don't want to require everything
  891. # [23:03] <jgraham> The defult could be "undefined"
  892. # [23:04] <slightlyoff> if you're passing property bags, you should have defaults for things you don't pass in as configuration
  893. # [23:04] <slightlyoff> that's part of the win
  894. # [23:04] <annevk> the defaults can be magic in case of events
  895. # [23:04] <slightlyoff> so if I have a ctor like "new Thinger({ ... });
  896. # [23:04] <jgraham> It should make it easier to spec
  897. # [23:04] <annevk> e.g. MouseEvents
  898. # [23:04] <slightlyoff> the value of the arguments object is that it doesn't require everything
  899. # [23:04] <slightlyoff> you could *optionally* have, say, 15 params
  900. # [23:04] <jgraham> If you don't have defaults you have to say if x is missing...
  901. # [23:04] <slightlyoff> but this might still be legal:
  902. # [23:04] <annevk> jgraham, I don't think it is
  903. # [23:05] <slightlyoff> new Thinger({ prop: "value" });
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  905. # [23:05] <annevk> jgraham, feel free to rewrite event constructors in an easier way though
  906. # [23:05] <slightlyoff> the other 14 should be defaulted
  907. # [23:05] <heycam> yes
  908. # [23:05] <jgraham> annevk: I don't understand why you think it is bad
  909. # [23:05] <Hixie> if you change event constructors please bear in mind this requires changes to a bunch of specs now
  910. # [23:05] <annevk> jgraham, I don't understand why you think it is simpler
  911. # [23:05] <slightlyoff> that's not design feedback = )
  912. # [23:05] <jgraham> Because you know that you always have a value for everything
  913. # [23:05] <heycam> it's simpler because the defaults are in the idl for these cases
  914. # [23:06] <jgraham> It cuts down the number of cases
  915. # [23:06] <annevk> but you already need to define a default anyway
  916. # [23:06] <heycam> you don't need to with dictionaries
  917. # [23:06] <heycam> i think in this case we should though!
  918. # [23:06] <annevk> because the whole property bag is optional
  919. # [23:06] <heycam> but that's different, you probably will have a step in your constructor that says "if the options param was specified..."
  920. # [23:06] <jgraham> Right, but a missing bag is obviously the same as a bag with all the default values
  921. # [23:06] <heycam> and that's easier than having that conditional on every dictionary member when you say in the algorithm to look it up
  922. # [23:06] <slightlyoff> well, missing == {}
  923. # [23:07] <annevk> jgraham, not sure how that would even work for defining createEvent
  924. # [23:07] <heycam> there are no default values for operation arguments though
  925. # [23:07] <slightlyoff> in ES 6, you'd write it as:
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  927. # [23:07] <heycam> so that still needs to be handled in rpose too
  928. # [23:07] <slightlyoff> function Thinger(args={}) { ... }
  929. # [23:07] <slightlyoff> new Thinger();
  930. # [23:07] <heycam> so ES6 is a different thing then
  931. # [23:07] <annevk> the way it currently works is that you have requirements for when you create an event
  932. # [23:07] <slightlyoff> or if you want defaults in the param:
  933. # [23:07] <heycam> if we want to update webidl to allow targetting es6 stuff then that's fine, but atm you can't
  934. # [23:07] <annevk> and separately requirements for what to do with the init dictionary
  935. # [23:08] <annevk> if there is any
  936. # [23:08] <slightlyoff> function Thinger(args={ prop1: "...", prop2: "...", ...});
  937. # [23:08] <slightlyoff> that's just strictly sugar
  938. # [23:08] <heycam> in fact that may be how an ES6-targetting webidl is written
  939. # [23:08] <slightlyoff> I was using it as an example of what you can obviously have WebIDL do for us today
  940. # [23:08] <slightlyoff> *sigh*
  941. # [23:09] * heycam is confused
  942. # [23:09] <heycam> defaults for option objects are workable in webidl today
  943. # [23:09] <slightlyoff> yep
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  945. # [23:09] <slightlyoff> and it's valuable!
  946. # [23:09] <heycam> yes :)
  947. # [23:09] <slightlyoff> we should have it, full stop
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  950. # [23:10] <zcorpan> annevk: would be nice if parser.js had a comment at the top saying which rev it implements and how it differs from the spec (at that rev)
  951. # [23:10] <annevk> zcorpan, I should just fix the bugs
  952. # [23:10] <annevk> but probably not this week :(
  953. # [23:11] <zcorpan> annevk: i was planning on using it
  954. # [23:11] <annevk> not anymore?
  955. # [23:11] <annevk> it implements the revision just before hixie made all the changes based on your feedback :)
  956. # [23:12] <zcorpan> no i still am :)
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  959. # [23:13] <zcorpan> was it in github or something?
  960. # [23:14] <annevk> zcorpan, https://bitbucket.org/annevk/webvtt
  961. # [23:14] <annevk> zcorpan, just uploaded my local changes
  962. # [23:15] <zcorpan> thanks
  963. # [23:15] * Ms2ger runs away before someone pulls off his mask
  964. # [23:16] <annevk> trololol
  965. # [23:16] <zcorpan> annevk: maybe i can run it on the "srt converted to vtt" data and see which conformance errors are most common :)
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  972. # [23:23] * zcorpan thinks it would be nicer with align:middle instead of A:middle
  973. # [23:24] <zcorpan> why use one-letter for the setting but not the value?
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  975. # [23:26] <zewt> definitely not a fan of vtt's abbreviations, personally
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  979. # [23:31] <zcorpan> ok filed a bug
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  982. # [23:32] <zewt> i forget the rationale for the abbreviations, just feels like trying to do deflate's job at the wrong level
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  984. # [23:33] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14646 - please bikeshed what the settings should be called :)
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  989. # [23:40] <annevk> "please bikeshed" oh god
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  999. # [23:50] <gsnedders> What was the conclusion with innerText and Gecko?
  1000. # [23:51] <annevk> no conclusion?
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  1002. # [23:52] <gsnedders> That's what I thought.
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  1010. # [23:59] <zcorpan> i think Hixie dropped <time> just for the puns
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