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  1. # Session Start: Sun Dec 18 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:01] <smaug____> WeirdAl: does that matter?
  4. # [00:05] <WeirdAl> eh, I'd like to save a few operations :)
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  6. # [00:09] <zewt> note that either failing is usually a programming error, so in practice both should always succeed--so i doubt it makes a difference
  7. # [00:10] <zewt> (on a quick look)
  8. # [00:12] <smaug____> yeah, doesn't make sense to optimize the usually non-failing cases
  9. # [00:14] <zewt> not in deployed apis, anyway
  10. # [00:17] * WeirdAl shrugs and removes a snippy comment
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  13. # [00:29] <zewt> uh, okay, heh
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  24. # [00:53] <WeirdAl> dammit, it ate my commit message
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  67. # [04:41] <Yuhong> FYI, on DBCS character encodings, here is a good test: http://ha.ckers.org/weird/variable-width-encoding.cgi
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  81. # [06:31] <WeirdAl> annevk: ping, spec conflict with implementations on XHR.open(), responseType != ""
  82. # [06:31] <WeirdAl> not just Mozilla, allegedly Chrome & Safari too
  83. # [06:31] <WeirdAl> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680816#c18
  84. # [06:32] <WeirdAl> I'm wondering if the spec should be changed.
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  240. # [15:16] <annevk> weirdal: please file bugs (not sure what the problem is with the spec in the second case though)
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  283. # [17:46] <annevk> can you say "A tell of tales"?
  284. # [17:46] <annevk> I rather like the sound of it, but I'm not sure if it makes any sense
  285. # [17:49] <gsnedders> annevk: no
  286. # [17:49] <annevk> aah :(
  287. # [17:56] <zewt> maybe in poker? heh
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  289. # [18:26] <annevk> http://www.luxetveritas.nl/blog/?p=1291 local politics o_O
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  291. # [18:27] <annevk> whenever I look at other social systems, I'm pretty pleased with the WHATWG/W3C environment I'm in
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  299. # [19:05] <smaug____> interesting, Finland has that much higher trade union membership% (if I trust the translation)
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  301. # [19:13] <annevk> smaug____: will fix the async thingie now
  302. # [19:14] <annevk> smaug____: yeah, quite high
  303. # [19:14] <smaug____> great, thanks
  304. # [19:16] <smaug____> annevk: where should I file fullscreen spec bugs ?
  305. # [19:17] <annevk> dunno
  306. # [19:17] <annevk> email whatwg@whatwg.org at this point I think
  307. # [19:20] <annevk> smaug____: should abort() unset the synchronous flag
  308. # [19:20] <annevk> ?
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  310. # [19:23] <zewt> should it just be cleared by open()? (eg. "if async is false, set the synchronous flag, otherwise clear it")
  311. # [19:24] <smaug____> annevk: I think so
  312. # [19:24] <annevk> zewt: no
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  317. # [19:25] <annevk> smaug____: okay, so just like abort() always sets the error flag, always unset the synchronous flag
  318. # [19:26] <annevk> zewt: in particular, now you change things during UNSENT that depend on that flag, it needs to be cleared when things are UNSENT/DONE
  319. # [19:26] <zewt> mmm
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  321. # [19:32] <annevk> food \o/
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  323. # [19:53] <annevk> heh http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57217000/jpg/_57217771_la-grande-divergenceweb2.jpg
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  355. # [21:58] <annevk> great, the charset related attributes of Document are not interoperable
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  357. # [21:59] <annevk> hmm
  358. # [21:59] <annevk> document.defaultCharset is only supported in Chrome
  359. # [21:59] <annevk> oh and WebKit, but casing is different
  360. # [21:59] <annevk> seems to me that feature can be nuked
  361. # [22:02] <annevk> Gecko also does not support document.charset
  362. # [22:02] <annevk> characterSet
  363. # [22:02] <annevk> only ^^
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  365. # [22:02] <annevk> so maybe Mozilla should encourage others to drop theirs...
  366. # [22:05] <kennyluck> Yeah, I noticed that too. Very annoying. Can we at least pick one and make the rest obsolete? I mean, in the sense that the obsoleted ones go into the Obsolete chapter. (which doesn't mean browsers don't need to implement them)
  367. # [22:06] <annevk> in DOM4 the obsolete chapter means they get killed from browsers
  368. # [22:06] <annevk> but it's not called obsolete
  369. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> It's called Historical
  370. # [22:06] <kennyluck> annevk, that certainly doesn't apply to HTML LS.
  371. # [22:06] <annevk> getting rid of document.charset would definitely be good, because it allows changing the encoding of a document
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  373. # [22:07] <annevk> (which affects URLs and form submission I think)
  374. # [22:07] <annevk> return values are also not very consistent
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  376. # [22:07] <kennyluck> yuck!
  377. # [22:08] <annevk> e.g. "ascii" yields "windows-1252" in some, "US-ASCII" in others, and "us-ascii" in others again
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  379. # [22:08] <annevk> browsers are so much fun
  380. # [22:09] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647621
  381. # [22:09] <annevk> guaranteed job security with the mess that is the platform
  382. # [22:10] <annevk> Hixie: why did you add .charset and .defaultCharset?
  383. # [22:12] <annevk> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=1459&to=1460 looks like an attempt at defining WebKit's IDL
  384. # [22:13] <annevk> Ms2ger: remove from DOM?
  385. # [22:14] <Ms2ger> Oh, these are ours now?
  386. # [22:14] <Ms2ger> wfm
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  388. # [22:16] <annevk> "please take care of this" "ok dropped from the platform"
  389. # [22:16] <annevk> I guess I should first file a bug on WebKit
  390. # [22:17] <annevk> angel spec writer
  391. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> I believe Hixie's thesis was that there are no angels
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  393. # [22:21] <annevk> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74819
  394. # [22:23] <kennyluck> annevk, how do you know there's no site relying on document.charset? Not I am against removing it. Just curious.
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  396. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> kennyluck, it would be broken in Firefox?
  397. # [22:24] <annevk> Gecko would have open bugs and Opera would have had more bugs too
  398. # [22:25] <annevk> we had exactly one bug where we implemented both charset and characterSet, but we actually only needed characterSet
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  400. # [22:25] <kennyluck> Ms2ger, I would guess when people see junk, they don't file a bug because are used to turning charset already.
  401. # [22:25] <annevk> I filed a bug to remove .charset
  402. # [22:26] <annevk> kennyluck: you cannot use these attributes for re-encoding something...
  403. # [22:26] <annevk> re-decoding*
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  407. # [22:44] <annevk> Ms2ger: you should ping someone regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623610
  408. # [22:44] <annevk> Ms2ger: also, you might want to patch http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/intl/uconv/src/charsetalias.properties#515
  409. # [22:46] <Ms2ger> Oh, by the way, I was looking at fixing cp1258 earlier, the unicode-style file was really helpful
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  411. # [22:47] <annevk> cool
  412. # [22:47] <Ms2ger> Haven't filed yet, I'll get to it soonish, I think
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