/irc-logs / freenode / #whatwg / 2011-12-22 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Thu Dec 22 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <roc> isn't BBT reasonably hard-science?
  4. # [00:03] * Joins: erichynds (~ehynds@pool-71-184-234-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
  5. # [00:08] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com)
  6. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> roc: Reasonably so, considering the audience is the general public.
  7. # [00:10] <jgraham> Right, the science is generally accurate; http://thebigblogtheory.wordpress.com/
  8. # [00:10] <roc> so time travel is right out
  9. # [00:11] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@pool-72-94-180-111.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  10. # [00:13] * Joins: erlehmann (~erlehmann@89.204.153.156)
  11. # [00:15] <jamesr_> outside of perhaps some neutrinos, yeah
  12. # [00:20] * Joins: danielfilho (~daniel@187.31.77.7)
  13. # [00:25] * Quits: gwicke (~gabriel@212.255.26.171) (Quit: Bye!)
  14. # [00:26] * Quits: erichynds (~ehynds@pool-71-184-234-218.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
  15. # [00:32] * Quits: tomasf (~tom@c-b7dbe555.024-204-6c6b7012.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: tomasf)
  16. # [00:32] * tomasf_ is now known as tomasf
  17. # [00:34] * Quits: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  18. # [00:35] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@nat/google/x-hxbgnmarjpcxewlo) (Quit: rniwa)
  19. # [00:36] * Joins: rniwa (rniwa@nat/google/x-szvgnokcgddcecoo)
  20. # [00:37] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@c-71-198-169-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  21. # [00:40] * Quits: martndemus (~martndemu@h254064.upc-h.chello.nl) (Quit: Lost terminal)
  22. # [00:40] * Quits: tomasf (~tomasf@c-b7dbe555.024-204-6c6b7012.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: tomasf)
  23. # [00:47] * Quits: Morphous_ (jan@f048065104.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  24. # [00:51] * Quits: sicking (~chatzilla@2620:101:8003:200:226:bbff:fe05:3fe1) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  25. # [00:54] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@GZYYMMMCDLXXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  26. # [00:55] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@GZYYMMMCDLXXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi)
  27. # [01:02] * Joins: Morphous_ (jan@f049162163.adsl.alicedsl.de)
  28. # [01:07] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@GZYYMMMCDLXXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  29. # [01:08] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@GZYYMMMCDLXXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi)
  30. # [01:09] * Joins: danielfilho_ (~daniel@187.31.77.7)
  31. # [01:09] <zewt> ick, wow, some 101 ugliness on google somehow
  32. # [01:10] <TabAtkins> zewt: ?
  33. # [01:10] <zewt> opened google's front page, started typing, and while I was typing, it moved the cursor to the beginning of the input box
  34. # [01:10] <zewt> had the feel of an onload race
  35. # [01:10] * Quits: danielfilho (~daniel@187.31.77.7) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  36. # [01:10] * danielfilho_ is now known as danielfilho
  37. # [01:10] <TabAtkins> Ah, yeah, almost certainly was.
  38. # [01:10] <zewt> unpleasant to see mistakes like that in a google flagship product
  39. # [01:11] <zewt> eg. if even google is making that mistake (if that's what happened; I doubt I can repro it) ...
  40. # [01:12] * Joins: nattokirai (~nattokira@rtr.mozilla.or.jp)
  41. # [01:21] * Joins: diraol (~diraol@201.87.62.201)
  42. # [01:23] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  43. # [01:25] * Quits: astearns (~anonymous@192.150.22.5) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  44. # [01:28] * Joins: sicking (~chatzilla@2620:101:8003:200:226:bbff:fe05:3fe1)
  45. # [01:30] * Quits: snowfox (~benschaaf@50-77-199-197-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: snowfox)
  46. # [01:30] * Joins: swly (~swly@21.sub-75-243-27.myvzw.com)
  47. # [01:34] <erlehmann> zewt, this is why i use noscript ;)
  48. # [01:35] <zewt> having the form not focused at all would not be an improvement :)
  49. # [01:35] <zewt> (it doesn't set autofocus)
  50. # [01:37] * Quits: jcranmer (~jcranmer@ltsp2.csl.tjhsst.edu) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  51. # [01:37] <erlehmann> fail :3
  52. # [01:39] <erlehmann> well, since google employs πŸ”° π—˜π—«π—£π—˜π—₯𝗧 𝗣π—₯π—’π—šπ—₯π—”π— π— π—˜π—₯𝗦 there should be a perfect logical explanation for that.
  53. # [01:42] * Quits: sicking (~chatzilla@2620:101:8003:200:226:bbff:fe05:3fe1) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  54. # [01:43] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.98) (Remote host closed the connection)
  55. # [01:44] <TabAtkins> Is that "JAPANESE SYMBOL FOR BEGINNER"?
  56. # [01:47] <kennyluck> Seriously, it means beginner driver in Japan.
  57. # [01:48] <TabAtkins> kk ^_^
  58. # [01:48] <zewt> defaultglyph defaultglyphdefaultglyphdefaultglyphdefaultglyphdefaultglyphdefaultglyph
  59. # [01:50] * Joins: yuuki (~kobayashi@58x158x182x50.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp)
  60. # [01:51] <kennyluck> huh, it actually has a wiki entry β†’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshinsha_mark
  61. # [01:52] <zewt> seems like a strange concept that someone can be deemed a poor enough driver to have to announce it to the world, while still being allowed to drive
  62. # [01:52] <TabAtkins> I presume it's like a learner's permit in the US.
  63. # [01:52] <kennyluck> "A driver must display this mark on the front and back of the car for one year after they obtain a standard driver's licence."
  64. # [01:52] <TabAtkins> That also marks you as a "beginner driver".
  65. # [01:52] <zewt> permit is more than that ("needs a chaperone")
  66. # [01:54] <zewt> which at least is somewhat preventative, versus a stick that says "WATCH OUT, I'M NEW AT THIS"
  67. # [01:54] <zewt> sticker
  68. # [01:55] <zewt> if people did that in the US, I'd half expect it to invite people to screw with new drivers
  69. # [01:59] <zewt> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15292 o_O
  70. # [02:00] <TabAtkins> Ooh, quick, someone come up with an appropriate server response and use that as the closing comment!
  71. # [02:00] <heycam> TabAtkins, how do I get lists to look like (a) … (b) … ?
  72. # [02:00] <zewt> wouldn't an inappropriate server response be more appropriate?
  73. # [02:00] <TabAtkins> heycam: Theoretically, or practically?
  74. # [02:00] <zewt> someone files a bug as a websocket request; close the bug with "NO CARRIER" or something
  75. # [02:01] <heycam> TabAtkins, practically… I guess theoretically is defining a @counter-style?
  76. # [02:01] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  77. # [02:01] <TabAtkins> Practically, by putting "(a)" in the text of your document.
  78. # [02:01] <heycam> ok :)
  79. # [02:02] <TabAtkins> Theoretically, @counter-style parenthesized-alphabetic { type: alphabetic; symbols: a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z; prefix: "("; suffix: ") "; }
  80. # [02:02] <heycam> yow
  81. # [02:02] <zewt> ; }
  82. # [02:03] <TabAtkins> Or, shorter, @counter-style parenthesized-alphabetic { type: override alphabetic; prefix: "("; suffix: ") "; }
  83. # [02:03] <heycam> better!
  84. # [02:03] <TabAtkins> I mean, "override lower-alpha".
  85. # [02:04] <TabAtkins> So I guess the name should be "parenthesized-lower-alpha" as well.
  86. # [02:04] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@c-71-204-145-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  87. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> heycam: Why do you ask?
  88. # [02:05] <heycam> TabAtkins, oh I just wanted such a list
  89. # [02:06] <heycam> but I will just stick "(a)" in my document or live with "a."
  90. # [02:07] <TabAtkins> If you want, you can wrap the (a) in a <span> so that, later, you can apply "position:marker" to it and make it look like an outside list marker.
  91. # [02:07] <heycam> TabAtkins, ooh, I didn't know about position:marker. will that do the indentation of the list item body too?
  92. # [02:08] <TabAtkins> No, that's handled by padding on the <ol>, like normal.
  93. # [02:09] * Joins: MikeSmith_ (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-32-117.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  94. # [02:09] <TabAtkins> position:marker just makes an element use the same position scheme as a ::marker, relative to its nearest list-item ancestor.
  95. # [02:12] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM111-191-143-100.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  96. # [02:12] * MikeSmith_ is now known as MikeSmith
  97. # [02:14] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@209.29.21.241)
  98. # [02:22] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@dsl211-159-045.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  99. # [02:26] * Quits: rillian_lime (~rillian@184.71.166.126) (Remote host closed the connection)
  100. # [02:29] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@17.245.89.231) (Quit: othermaciej)
  101. # [02:41] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@209.29.21.241) (Remote host closed the connection)
  102. # [02:49] * Joins: astearns (~anonymous@c-50-132-63-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  103. # [02:56] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  104. # [03:00] * Joins: sicking (~chatzilla@nat/mozilla/x-xssqiswufzrcszdr)
  105. # [03:01] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@209.29.21.241)
  106. # [03:03] * Joins: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01)
  107. # [03:05] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@209.29.21.241) (Remote host closed the connection)
  108. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> heycam|away: you already know about http://shapecatcher.com/ I guess
  109. # [03:11] <MikeSmith> no vim digraphs, but still...
  110. # [03:13] <erlehmann> Sorry, shapecatcher couldn't complete the request at the moment. (Error: Internal Server Error)
  111. # [03:13] <erlehmann> MikeSmith, vim digraphs? vim can into unicode surely it must have?
  112. # [03:13] * Quits: sicking (~chatzilla@nat/mozilla/x-xssqiswufzrcszdr) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  113. # [03:14] <MikeSmith> digraphs are shortcut keys for particular characters
  114. # [03:15] <MikeSmith> key combinations
  115. # [03:15] <MikeSmith> ^k plus some key combo
  116. # [03:16] <MikeSmith> :digraph shows you what the know digraphs are
  117. # [03:16] <zewt> or menukey, in the case of putty
  118. # [03:17] <zewt> the sort of thing that really belongs at the OS IME layer, not in the applications...
  119. # [03:18] * Quits: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  120. # [03:20] * Quits: rniwa (rniwa@nat/google/x-szvgnokcgddcecoo) (Quit: rniwa)
  121. # [03:21] <MikeSmith> "The TAG will publish analyses explaining the areas in which use of Mime on the Web is proving problematic, and will suggest concrete steps for resolving problems where they are found"
  122. # [03:21] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html
  123. # [03:21] <zewt> oh joy
  124. # [03:22] <zewt> does anything useful *ever* come out of that?
  125. # [03:23] <zewt> all I've seen was that nonsense about web storage recently, which makes me suspect not
  126. # [03:24] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/IdentifyingApplicationState-20111201 also
  127. # [03:25] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  128. # [03:25] * Quits: astearns (~anonymous@c-50-132-63-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: astearns)
  129. # [03:26] <heycam> MikeSmith, I did not know about that site, no
  130. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> oh
  131. # [03:26] <MikeSmith> well, now you do :)
  132. # [03:26] <heycam> MikeSmith, it's neat :)
  133. # [03:26] <heycam> I can at least draw the character and copy/pastei t
  134. # [03:26] <erlehmann> zewt, i use the neo2 keyboard layout. it does away with caps lock and replaces it with an additional modificator. i think everyone should do that.
  135. # [03:27] <erlehmann> shift + capsmod + m β†’ ΞΌ
  136. # [03:27] <erlehmann> shit + capsmod + a β†’ Ξ±
  137. # [03:27] <erlehmann> etc. pp.
  138. # [03:27] <zewt> keyboards already have quite a lot of meta keys, more than most people can handle :)
  139. # [03:28] <erlehmann> regardless, that kkind of stuff has nothing to do in a text editor.
  140. # [03:28] <zewt> menukey is rarely used in non-windows-programs like gvim and terminals
  141. # [03:29] <zewt> er, non-windowy (damn you, muscle-memory autocorrect)
  142. # [03:33] * Joins: jacobolus (~jacobolus@199-83-223-231.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net)
  143. # [03:45] * Quits: LBP (~Mirc@pD9EB1730.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  144. # [03:45] * Joins: LBP (~Mirc@pD9EB17A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
  145. # [03:46] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@GZYYMMMCDLXXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  146. # [03:47] * Joins: hij1nx (~hij1nx@cpe-98-14-168-178.nyc.res.rr.com)
  147. # [03:53] * Quits: hij1nx (~hij1nx@cpe-98-14-168-178.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: hij1nx)
  148. # [04:01] * Quits: jamesr (jamesr@nat/google/x-mgkudzgzcsnnkzco) (Quit: jamesr)
  149. # [04:02] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  150. # [04:49] <MikeSmith> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/YOW-2011-Allen-Wirfs-Brock-and-Rob-Manson-Ambient-Computing-Augmented-Reality-and-JavaScript is fun
  151. # [04:50] * Joins: shans (~shanestep@203-158-59-185.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  152. # [04:51] * Quits: shans (~shanestep@203-158-59-185.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Remote host closed the connection)
  153. # [04:51] * Joins: shans (~shanestep@113.197.106.249)
  154. # [04:58] * Joins: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  155. # [05:07] * Quits: cpearce (~chatzilla@60.234.54.74) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  156. # [05:11] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  157. # [05:12] * Joins: Obvious_MkII (tachikoma@188.226.74.2)
  158. # [05:13] * Quits: Obvious (tachikoma@188.226.74.2) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  159. # [05:18] * Quits: shans (~shanestep@113.197.106.249) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  160. # [05:29] <JonathanNeal> hello
  161. # [05:32] * Joins: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01)
  162. # [05:38] * Quits: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  163. # [05:43] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@12.5.149.2) (Quit: miketaylr)
  164. # [05:51] * Joins: othermaciej (~mjs@c-24-6-209-189.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  165. # [05:52] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-32-117.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Quit: MikeSmith)
  166. # [05:56] * Joins: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-32-117.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  167. # [05:56] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-32-117.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Client Quit)
  168. # [06:04] * Joins: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  169. # [06:05] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  170. # [06:10] * Joins: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM1-113-237-54.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  171. # [06:19] * Quits: swly (~swly@21.sub-75-243-27.myvzw.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  172. # [06:30] * Quits: roc (~chatzilla@60.234.54.74) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  173. # [06:32] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  174. # [06:34] * Quits: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  175. # [06:37] * Joins: Areks (~Areks@rs.gridnine.com)
  176. # [06:57] * Joins: dydx (~dydz@adsl-75-36-186-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
  177. # [07:04] * Quits: dydx (~dydz@adsl-75-36-186-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: dydx)
  178. # [07:04] * Joins: rniwa (~rniwa@216.239.45.130)
  179. # [07:07] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@199-83-223-231.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  180. # [07:08] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM1-113-237-54.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Quit: MikeSmith)
  181. # [07:12] * Joins: roc (~chatzilla@121.98.230.221)
  182. # [07:12] * Joins: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  183. # [07:13] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  184. # [07:15] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  185. # [07:16] * Quits: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  186. # [07:32] * Quits: schnoomac (~schnoomac@melbourne.99cluster.com) (Quit: schnoomac)
  187. # [07:34] * Joins: abarth (~abarth@173-164-128-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  188. # [08:04] * Quits: jwalden (~waldo@nat/mozilla/x-nsdjrdnuorspetki) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-4.1450hg.fc15 [XULRunner 8.0/20111108090029])
  189. # [08:07] <matjas> TabAtkins: ok, disabled @csscommits for now. ping me when it’s back up again
  190. # [08:07] * Quits: ezoe (~ezoe@61-205-125-135f1.kyt1.eonet.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  191. # [08:09] <zewt> o/~ quotostrophies
  192. # [08:09] * Joins: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM1-113-237-54.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  193. # [08:10] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: if you're around, wanted to chat a bit about the W3C validator.nu-based validation service
  194. # [08:12] <MikeSmith> specifically, how we should handle checking of markup features that are not in the W3C version of the spec
  195. # [08:12] <MikeSmith> JonathanNeal: hola
  196. # [08:13] * Joins: cpearce (~chatzilla@ip-118-90-47-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
  197. # [08:14] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@c-699de355.410-6-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  198. # [08:16] * Quits: stalled (~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  199. # [08:18] * Quits: jdong__ (~quassel@124.126.70.32) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  200. # [08:21] * Joins: jdong_ (~quassel@222.126.155.250)
  201. # [08:23] * Quits: nattokirai (~nattokira@rtr.mozilla.or.jp) (Quit: nattokirai)
  202. # [08:24] <GPHemsley> annevk: Taking a look at the Encoding Standard, it seems like you should be careful to distinguish between a mutiple-to-one mapping and a multiple-to-multiple (respective) mapping of codepoints.
  203. # [08:24] <GPHemsley> ...oh, wait, you say "respectively"
  204. # [08:25] <GPHemsley> ah, not in the one I was looking at
  205. # [08:26] <GPHemsley> windows-1255: "Gecko and Presto map 81, 8A, 8C-90, 9A, and 9C-9F to U+FFFD. Trident maps CA, D9-DF, FB-FC, and FF to U+05BA, U+F88D-U+F893, U+F894-U+F895, and U+F896."
  206. # [08:26] <GPHemsley> similarly for windows-1257
  207. # [08:27] <GPHemsley> (perhaps you started to forget to add "respectively" as you worked your way down the page)
  208. # [08:27] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  209. # [08:28] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  210. # [08:28] <GPHemsley> IMO, it'd be clearer to just say "X to Y and W to Z" rather than "X and W to Y and Z, respectively"
  211. # [08:28] * Quits: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: jamesr)
  212. # [08:32] * Joins: gwicke (~gabriel@212.255.26.171)
  213. # [08:36] * Joins: ezoe (~ezoe@112-68-245-155f1.kyt1.eonet.ne.jp)
  214. # [08:36] * Quits: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  215. # [08:37] * Quits: andyg (~andyg@CPE-124-189-148-81.sqcy1.win.bigpond.net.au) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  216. # [08:39] * Joins: andyg (~andyg@CPE-124-189-148-81.sqcy1.win.bigpond.net.au)
  217. # [08:48] * nunnun is now known as nunnun_away
  218. # [08:56] * Joins: maikmerten (~merten@ls5dhcp200.cs.uni-dortmund.de)
  219. # [09:01] * Quits: ap (~ap@c-98-248-236-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: ap)
  220. # [09:07] * Joins: tomasf (~tomasf@77.72.97.5.c.fiberdirekt.net)
  221. # [09:08] * Joins: stalled (~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled)
  222. # [09:08] * Joins: MikeSmith_ (~MikeSmith@u-210162009184.u05.hotspot.ne.jp)
  223. # [09:09] * Joins: PalleZingmark (~Adium@217.13.228.226)
  224. # [09:12] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM1-113-237-54.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  225. # [09:12] * MikeSmith_ is now known as MikeSmith
  226. # [09:13] * nunnun_away is now known as nunnun
  227. # [09:16] * Joins: jochen___ (jochen@nat/google/x-mnnicossvsifpesg)
  228. # [09:20] * Quits: jochen__ (jochen@nat/google/x-ceokvnghlsontdvq) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  229. # [09:20] * jochen___ is now known as jochen__
  230. # [09:20] * Quits: PalleZingmark (~Adium@217.13.228.226) (Quit: Leaving.)
  231. # [09:21] * Joins: PalleZingmark (~Adium@217.13.228.226)
  232. # [09:24] * Joins: brucel (~brucel@cpc5-smal11-2-0-cust151.perr.cable.virginmedia.com)
  233. # [09:25] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.52.163)
  234. # [09:28] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  235. # [09:28] * Joins: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  236. # [09:29] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  237. # [09:37] * Joins: nonge_ (~nonge@p508290F0.dip.t-dialin.net)
  238. # [09:38] * Quits: roc (~chatzilla@121.98.230.221) (Remote host closed the connection)
  239. # [09:39] * Quits: Druid_ (~Druid@p5B135B72.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  240. # [09:39] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  241. # [09:40] * Quits: brucel (~brucel@cpc5-smal11-2-0-cust151.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  242. # [09:40] * Joins: brucel (~brucel@cpc5-smal11-2-0-cust151.perr.cable.virginmedia.com)
  243. # [09:41] * Quits: nonge (~nonge@p5082918D.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  244. # [09:41] * Quits: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  245. # [09:43] * Joins: Druid_ (~Druid@p5B05C69F.dip.t-dialin.net)
  246. # [09:46] * Joins: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com)
  247. # [09:51] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  248. # [09:51] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  249. # [09:53] * Joins: th3_Chr1s (~christoph@p54ABE994.dip.t-dialin.net)
  250. # [09:54] * Joins: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  251. # [09:55] * Joins: ap (~ap@c-98-248-236-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  252. # [09:56] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  253. # [09:58] <zcorpan> matjas: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"><title//<frameset/<frame>/
  254. # [09:59] <matjas> zcorpan: duh, thanks!
  255. # [09:59] <zcorpan> annoying that the validator whines about <></>
  256. # [10:01] <zcorpan> matjas: for xhtml basic, i'm pretty sure you can't omit both the doctype and xmlns. the reason for xmlns to be optional is that is inferred by the dtd for xml processors that process the external subset
  257. # [10:02] <zcorpan> (which is optional to do, so it is bogus to omit it)
  258. # [10:03] <matjas> is there an easy way to confirm this? i believe you, but it’d be useful if there was a working validator that i could use to play around with this
  259. # [10:03] * Quits: ap (~ap@c-98-248-236-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: ap)
  260. # [10:06] <annevk> GPHemsley: yeah maybe
  261. # [10:07] <annevk> GPHemsley: on the other hand, the goal is to remove those notes, I don't plan to keep them indefinitely
  262. # [10:07] <zcorpan> well it's kind of like schrodinger's cat. if you validate against a dtd (which you'd have to choose in the validator if you omit the doctype), you need an xml processor that processes the external subset, and then the dtd implies the attribute, and everything's fine
  263. # [10:07] <annevk> GPHemsley: both Gecko and Presto are in the process of being fixed
  264. # [10:07] <zcorpan> if you don't use a validator or use one that doesn't process a dtd that infers the attribute, then the elements aren't in the xhtml namespace, so it's not xhtml at all
  265. # [10:09] <zcorpan> best thing is to not use doctypes in production, not process external entities in consumption, and use xmlns
  266. # [10:09] <jgraham> For a definition of "best" that assumes XML
  267. # [10:09] * Joins: Timz (~Adium@86.89.174.199)
  268. # [10:11] * Joins: FlorianX (~Dimitri@p4FCF7ED2.dip.t-dialin.net)
  269. # [10:12] <matjas> ZING
  270. # [10:13] <matjas> zcorpan: so why does this only apply to XHTML Basic?
  271. # [10:14] <Ms2ger> Hah, XHTML Basic
  272. # [10:14] <zcorpan> matjas: it doesn't
  273. # [10:14] <zcorpan> it applies to all xhtmls
  274. # [10:15] <annevk> can one define an enum inside an interface?
  275. # [10:15] <zcorpan> but some versions have a bogus requirement saying "there must be an xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" declaration on the root element"
  276. # [10:15] <zcorpan> which is unclear if it is satisfied by using a doctype since the dtd infers that declaration...
  277. # [10:15] <zcorpan> anyway
  278. # [10:15] <GPHemsley> annevk: Ah, OK.
  279. # [10:16] <matjas> zcorpan: would you mind leaving a quick comment with that information?
  280. # [10:16] <GPHemsley> annevk: BTW, could you elaborate on what the issue is with Gecko and the aliases for windows-1254?
  281. # [10:16] <annevk> GPHemsley: I think Gecko does not treat ISO-8859-9 and windows-1254 as identical
  282. # [10:16] <zcorpan> matjas: sorry, have work to do. this channel is logged :)
  283. # [10:17] <annevk> GPHemsley: iirc
  284. # [10:17] <matjas> zcorpan: fair enough, thanks!
  285. # [10:17] <GPHemsley> annevk: OK, that's what I thought. It appears to have all those aliases mapped to ISO-8859-9, except windows-1254, which is treated separately.
  286. # [10:18] <annevk> yeah
  287. # [10:18] <GPHemsley> FYI, I filed a bug on it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712876
  288. # [10:18] <annevk> we recently merged them in Opera
  289. # [10:18] <annevk> ah sweet
  290. # [10:18] * Quits: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  291. # [10:18] <annevk> didn't know you hang out in this channel btw, only see you on twitter :)
  292. # [10:18] <GPHemsley> :)
  293. # [10:19] <GPHemsley> I don't usually have much to say
  294. # [10:19] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  295. # [10:24] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: what should the validator do differently for <></> ?
  296. # [10:24] <GPHemsley> annevk: BTW, Gecko also has the alias 'iso_8859-9'
  297. # [10:25] * Joins: silentimp_ (~silentimp@44-139-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  298. # [10:25] * Joins: xec (~xec@2a00:10b0:1:1002:5ab0:35ff:fef8:6a01)
  299. # [10:27] <annevk> GPHemsley: yeah, I think some other browsers might not have had that as alias
  300. # [10:27] <annevk> label I mean
  301. # [10:27] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@64-120-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  302. # [10:27] * silentimp_ is now known as silentimp
  303. # [10:27] <annevk> but maybe we should be liberal with adding labels
  304. # [10:28] <GPHemsley> ah, well, I noted it merely for consistency
  305. # [10:29] <annevk> it's a known issue
  306. # [10:29] <annevk> I put up some data here the other day http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Dec/att-0021/encoding-labels.html
  307. # [10:29] <annevk> full with grammar errors :(
  308. # [10:30] <annevk> most browsers also have "asmo-708" as label for "iso-8859-6" despite it being a completely different encoding in IE
  309. # [10:30] <annevk> kind of weird
  310. # [10:32] <Ms2ger> -> Topic
  311. # [10:32] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: dunno
  312. # [10:32] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com)
  313. # [10:32] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: previously it allowed it (since it's allowed per html4 proper)
  314. # [10:33] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: now it gives an error saying browsers don't support it or some such
  315. # [10:33] * Joins: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34)
  316. # [10:33] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: given the direction it's going, it should probably just use an html5 parser
  317. # [10:33] <zcorpan> but then people would get upset
  318. # [10:34] <MikeSmith> yeah
  319. # [10:34] <MikeSmith> some people are already upset
  320. # [10:34] <zcorpan> no shit
  321. # [10:34] <MikeSmith> heh
  322. # [10:34] <Ms2ger> Upset surely is the default state of people at the W3C
  323. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> some yes
  324. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> some not so much so
  325. # [10:35] <MikeSmith> e.g., Tim's pretty good about not being upset
  326. # [10:36] <MikeSmith> Dan Connolly was pretty good about it too
  327. # [10:36] <jgraham> Maybe the distribution of upsetness is bimodal
  328. # [10:37] <jgraham> If we could just breed the populations we would get a nice bell curve from their children
  329. # [10:37] <jgraham> (I know what you're thinking, genetics doesn't really work like that)
  330. # [10:37] * Quits: rniwa (~rniwa@216.239.45.130) (Quit: rniwa)
  331. # [10:37] <Ms2ger> No, what I was thinking is "disturbing"
  332. # [10:38] <Ms2ger> I don't want to breed upset W3C people
  333. # [10:38] <MikeSmith> for me when I started working with the HTML WG, DanC was like K from Men in Black -- the part where he says, "There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life"
  334. # [10:38] <Philip`> I guess it must be tricky to remain upbeat when working with a community that is denigrating and/or disregarding what you spent the last fifteen years of your life working on
  335. # [10:39] <Ms2ger> Philip`, so, Christmas or canvas today? :)
  336. # [10:40] <Philip`> Nah, got some other urgent stuff to do first that I've been putting off for weeks :-p
  337. # [10:40] <Ms2ger> Why doesn't that surprise me? :)
  338. # [10:41] <MikeSmith> what I meant about Dan is that's the outlook Dan took on crises. He doesn't panic, he doesn't let the "the sky is falling" ranters get him panicked. He doesn't let anything get under his skin
  339. # [10:42] <MikeSmith> The sky is always falling.
  340. # [10:43] <Philip`> That just means he'll be unprepared when the sky really *does* fall
  341. # [10:43] <MikeSmith> heh
  342. # [10:43] <jgraham> Maybe he is prepared and that's why he's not worried
  343. # [10:43] <Philip`> and he'll look back and think "I really should have panicked for that one"
  344. # [10:43] <jgraham> Perhaps he has a secret lair under a volcano, for example
  345. # [10:44] <MikeSmith> anyway, Dan was always upbeat about HTML5. I would think he still is.
  346. # [10:44] * Joins: roc (~chatzilla@121.98.230.221)
  347. # [10:45] <MikeSmith> I think part of thing is, it quit being fun.
  348. # [10:45] <MikeSmith> the working-group work, I mean
  349. # [10:47] <Philip`> He should have quit the HTML WG and joined the WHATWG, which seems to put a greater value on entertainment
  350. # [10:47] * jgraham remembers at TPAC 2007 Dan scheduled one timeslot on one track to be a sort of bonding session. Afterwards he got crticised by some people for not being serious enough
  351. # [10:48] <MikeSmith> yeah
  352. # [10:48] <MikeSmith> he started the first HTML WG f2f playing his guitar
  353. # [10:48] <MikeSmith> that was fun
  354. # [10:49] <jgraham> Which is kind of ironic because it is generally agreed that about 90% of the value of F2F meetings is in the metting *people* not in the "sitting in a room wile about 3 people talk about something vaugely technical and about 147 check their email"
  355. # [10:49] <Philip`> Surely bonding at a F2F is unfair on people who can't attend
  356. # [10:49] <Philip`> Someone should set up a WG to develop an asynchronous bonding protocol
  357. # [10:52] * Quits: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  358. # [10:53] <wilhelm> Are you sure someone hasn't specced that already?
  359. # [10:53] <jgraham> Isn't it just transport tycoon?
  360. # [10:54] * Joins: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34)
  361. # [10:56] <wilhelm> Good point.
  362. # [10:56] <wilhelm> Y'all should join next time.
  363. # [10:58] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@u-210162009184.u05.hotspot.ne.jp) (Quit: MikeSmith)
  364. # [11:00] * Quits: cpearce (~chatzilla@ip-118-90-47-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  365. # [11:03] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@193-64-22-15-nat.elisa-mobile.fi)
  366. # [11:06] <annevk> thanks kennyluck
  367. # [11:16] * Joins: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM1-113-211-199.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  368. # [11:20] * Joins: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01)
  369. # [11:22] * Quits: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  370. # [11:23] <annevk> whoa
  371. # [11:23] <annevk> no spam on the wiki for a few days now
  372. # [11:23] * Joins: sh00p (~fredriki@c-f6e2e155.101-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  373. # [11:23] <sh00p> schema: http://pastie.org/3056523
  374. # [11:23] <annevk> (we still got spam after accounts were disabled because we probably have a large number of sleeping spam accounts)
  375. # [11:24] <sh00p> http://pastie.org/3056528
  376. # [11:24] <sh00p> and thats my xml
  377. # [11:24] <sh00p> how can i refer to team_two in my observer at the bottom?
  378. # [11:25] <annevk> might want to try a channel focused on XML (not sure which one that is though, sorry)
  379. # [11:25] <sh00p> there's one called xml but it's not very lively
  380. # [11:25] <sh00p> isn't this w3c's channeL?
  381. # [11:26] <annevk> it's called #whatwg, not #w3c ;)
  382. # [11:26] <annevk> there's sometimes someone here who likes XML Schema and things, but he seems to be out
  383. # [11:31] * Joins: GlitchMr (~glitchmr@178-36-159-173.adsl.inetia.pl)
  384. # [11:36] <MikeSmith> sh00p: maybe try Ankh on #w3c
  385. # [11:36] <MikeSmith> that's Liam Quin
  386. # [11:36] <MikeSmith> who's responsible for all things XMLish at W3C
  387. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> but don't think he's going to be awake yet
  388. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> he lives in Canada
  389. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> and unlike most people, he actually likes XML Schema
  390. # [11:40] <MikeSmith> wow, xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation
  391. # [11:40] <annevk> of the subset of people that have an opinion :p
  392. # [11:40] <MikeSmith> heh
  393. # [11:45] <MikeSmith> does the bugzilla voting feature allow you to vote against bugs?
  394. # [11:45] <Ms2ger> No
  395. # [11:45] <MikeSmith> oh
  396. # [11:45] <MikeSmith> it would be great to have a way to mod down nuisance bugs
  397. # [11:46] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, assign to comtributor@whatwg.org? :)
  398. # [11:46] * Quits: seventh (seventh@27.100.16.231) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  399. # [11:47] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@c-699de355.410-6-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Remote host closed the connection)
  400. # [11:48] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@c-699de355.410-6-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  401. # [11:50] <MikeSmith> Allen Wirfs-Brock looks different from what I imagined he looked like
  402. # [11:50] <MikeSmith> (having never met him before or seen a photo)
  403. # [11:50] <MikeSmith> http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/YOW-2011-Allen-Wirfs-Brock-and-Rob-Manson-Ambient-Computing-Augmented-Reality-and-JavaScript
  404. # [11:53] * Quits: Druid_ (~Druid@p5B05C69F.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  405. # [11:55] * Quits: Moo-_- (~quassel@herd37.twinapex.fi) (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
  406. # [11:55] * Joins: moo-_- (~quassel@herd37.twinapex.fi)
  407. # [11:59] * Joins: Druid_ (Druid@31.6.53.58)
  408. # [11:59] * Quits: ezoe (~ezoe@112-68-245-155f1.kyt1.eonet.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  409. # [12:04] * Joins: Druide_ (~Druid@p5B05C69F.dip.t-dialin.net)
  410. # [12:08] * Quits: Druid_ (Druid@31.6.53.58) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  411. # [12:14] * Joins: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34)
  412. # [12:15] * Quits: roc (~chatzilla@121.98.230.221) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  413. # [12:17] * Joins: graememcc (~chatzilla@host86-150-159-9.range86-150.btcentralplus.com)
  414. # [12:25] * Joins: Christopher (~chatzilla@p54ABE994.dip.t-dialin.net)
  415. # [12:27] * Quits: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  416. # [12:30] * Joins: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34)
  417. # [12:37] * Quits: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  418. # [12:40] * Quits: yuuki (~kobayashi@58x158x182x50.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) (Quit: Leaving...)
  419. # [12:40] * Joins: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01)
  420. # [12:40] * Joins: Neocortex (~nectop@82-170-160-25.ip.telfort.nl)
  421. # [12:41] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@193-64-22-15-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  422. # [12:43] * Quits: Christopher (~chatzilla@p54ABE994.dip.t-dialin.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  423. # [12:51] <annevk> MikeSmith: are you getting empty emails as well?
  424. # [12:52] <annevk> MikeSmith: subject "RE: CfC: Publish eight heartbeat drafts as WDs"
  425. # [12:52] <annevk> MikeSmith: second time now
  426. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> yeah
  427. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> from hp.com address
  428. # [12:52] <annevk> kk, so not my problem
  429. # [12:59] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  430. # [12:59] <zcorpan> annevk: about that, i still haven't set up anolis
  431. # [12:59] <zcorpan> annevk: although i have a newer computer available now so i might have better success installing xcode and what not
  432. # [13:11] <MikeSmith> the new GLCI thing in Firefox Nightly is very interesting
  433. # [13:11] <MikeSmith> Firefox devtools team is doing some really innovative stuff
  434. # [13:12] <MikeSmith> will be nice to see how it progresses
  435. # [13:16] * Joins: jdong_bot_ (~jdong_bot@114.112.44.154)
  436. # [13:24] <annevk> zcorpan: ah, have fun :)
  437. # [13:26] * Quits: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  438. # [13:28] * Joins: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  439. # [13:30] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  440. # [13:31] * Joins: ernini (reni@145.24.145.247)
  441. # [13:31] <ernini> hellu
  442. # [13:32] * Joins: swly (~swly@82.sub-75-243-189.myvzw.com)
  443. # [13:32] <ernini> using flexget which uses html5lib, but have a problem which i think is related to html5lib
  444. # [13:32] <ernini> http://pastebin.com/Rs9erQmK
  445. # [13:32] * Quits: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  446. # [13:33] <ernini> using html5lib 0.90
  447. # [13:33] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  448. # [13:34] <annevk> you might want to try trunk
  449. # [13:34] <annevk> but jgraham knows more
  450. # [13:34] <ernini> annevk: oke can i upgrade to that with easy_install?
  451. # [13:35] <jgraham> ernini: I don't remember that bug. If you could try trunk that would be good
  452. # [13:36] <jgraham> No easy_install (also: in general you might want to use pip instead), but you can check it out of mercurial and it should be quite stable
  453. # [13:37] <ernini> oke, and can i fetch the trunk version with pip?
  454. # [13:38] * Joins: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  455. # [13:39] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  456. # [13:40] <jgraham> maybe pip install -e hg+http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/#egg=html5lib
  457. # [13:41] <jgraham> (I haven't tried that ofc)
  458. # [13:43] <ernini> works
  459. # [13:43] <ernini> was already onto installing mercurial
  460. # [13:45] * Joins: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01)
  461. # [13:46] <annevk> lol https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15304 removed myself
  462. # [13:47] * Joins: FlorianX1 (~Dimitri@p578F1BA1.dip.t-dialin.net)
  463. # [13:47] <MikeSmith> heh
  464. # [13:48] <MikeSmith> annevk the lulz are from the last comment, right?
  465. # [13:48] <MikeSmith> "100% backwards-compatible way"
  466. # [13:49] <ernini> getting the same error
  467. # [13:49] <ernini> with trunk
  468. # [13:50] * Quits: Areks (~Areks@rs.gridnine.com) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  469. # [13:50] <jgraham> ernini: Oh, interesting. Can you file a bug report with the source that is producing the error?
  470. # [13:50] <ernini> jgraham: yeh think so, will do it tonight after checking some more
  471. # [13:50] <jgraham> OK, thanks
  472. # [13:50] * Quits: FlorianX (~Dimitri@p4FCF7ED2.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  473. # [13:51] * Joins: Lachy (Lachy@nat/opera/x-tquotossawcxlvxm)
  474. # [13:51] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  475. # [13:53] * Quits: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  476. # [13:56] * Joins: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34)
  477. # [13:59] <annevk> MikeSmith: when certain people start commenting there's usually too much traffic to bother
  478. # [13:59] <MikeSmith> roger that
  479. # [14:01] * Joins: Areks (~Areks@rs.gridnine.com)
  480. # [14:05] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com)
  481. # [14:09] * toyoshim_ is now known as toyoshiAw
  482. # [14:10] <annevk> hsivonen: fwiw, I think the UTF-16 stuff should be normalized
  483. # [14:10] <annevk> hsivonen: you perform file://localhost/Users/annevk/Work/w3c-dvcs/encoding/Overview.html#concept-encoding-get and if that returns "utf-16" use "utf-8" instead
  484. # [14:11] <annevk> hsivonen: I haven't filed bugs on HTML yet to use the Encoding Standard instead because I think it should become a bit more complete
  485. # [14:11] <Ms2ger> 404
  486. # [14:11] <annevk> hsivonen: meant http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/encoding/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#concept-encoding-get doh
  487. # [14:12] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Quit: dnlcttr)
  488. # [14:13] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  489. # [14:14] <annevk> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596514471.do might be interesting
  490. # [14:16] * toyoshiAw is now known as toyoshim
  491. # [14:17] <Philip`> TabAtkins: "a third unknown element with a tagname of "/meta"" - that doesn't sound right
  492. # [14:18] <Philip`> (except perhaps in IE6 and similar)
  493. # [14:18] <Philip`> The tokeniser returns an end tag token with name "meta", and the tree constructor ignores it since it's not an expected token
  494. # [14:20] * Joins: drublic (~drublic@p54AE0DA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
  495. # [14:20] <MikeSmith> annevk: I have a copy of that book that I could send you
  496. # [14:20] <MikeSmith> I'm not using it
  497. # [14:21] <annevk> oh sweet
  498. # [14:22] <MikeSmith> it's at the office though
  499. # [14:22] <MikeSmith> so couldn't get it til next week
  500. # [14:22] <annevk> there's no hurry
  501. # [14:22] <MikeSmith> hai
  502. # [14:22] <MikeSmith> remind me next week if I forget
  503. # [14:22] <annevk> just want to look through it for obvious omissions
  504. # [14:22] <annevk> on my part
  505. # [14:22] <annevk> kk
  506. # [14:24] * Joins: erichynds (~ehynds@venkman.brightcove.com)
  507. # [14:28] <annevk> I wonder why http://unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/ misses code pages mentioned on the wiki
  508. # [14:28] <annevk> wiki being http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Web_Encodings
  509. # [14:38] * Joins: david_carlisle (~chatzilla@dcarlisle.demon.co.uk)
  510. # [14:45] * Joins: jochen___ (jochen@nat/google/x-fnbwfziszqkturrh)
  511. # [14:45] * Quits: espadrine (~thaddee_t@AMontsouris-157-1-116-34.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  512. # [14:45] * Quits: martndemus (~martndemu@141.252.235.34) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  513. # [14:46] * Quits: jochen__ (jochen@nat/google/x-mnnicossvsifpesg) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  514. # [14:46] * jochen___ is now known as jochen__
  515. # [14:48] * Joins: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  516. # [14:50] * Quits: graememcc (~chatzilla@host86-150-159-9.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  517. # [14:51] * Joins: graememcc (~chatzilla@host86-150-159-9.range86-150.btcentralplus.com)
  518. # [14:54] <annevk> GPHemsley: any reason you did not use http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/encoding/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#windows-1254 in the bug report?
  519. # [14:55] <annevk> GPHemsley: you used as specific version rather than "tip"
  520. # [14:58] <annevk> euhm, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74819 ... :/
  521. # [15:11] * Quits: th3_Chr1s (~christoph@p54ABE994.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  522. # [15:15] * Quits: eric_carlson (~ericc@adsl-67-112-12-110.dsl.anhm01.pacbell.net) (Quit: eric_carlson)
  523. # [15:16] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Quit: dnlcttr)
  524. # [15:18] * Joins: Christopher_ (~chatzilla@p54ABE994.dip.t-dialin.net)
  525. # [15:24] * Quits: tomasf (~tomasf@77.72.97.5.c.fiberdirekt.net) (Quit: tomasf)
  526. # [15:25] * Joins: espadrine (~thaddee_t@AMontsouris-157-1-116-34.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr)
  527. # [15:28] * Quits: GlitchMr (~glitchmr@178-36-159-173.adsl.inetia.pl) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  528. # [15:38] * Quits: jdong_bot_ (~jdong_bot@114.112.44.154) (Remote host closed the connection)
  529. # [15:39] * Joins: davidb_ (~davidb@66.207.208.98)
  530. # [15:39] <davidb_> ygoat
  531. # [15:40] <jgraham> Presumably because evolution gave them the right fitness to survive in their environment
  532. # [15:48] * Quits: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  533. # [15:49] * Quits: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  534. # [15:49] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  535. # [15:54] * Joins: miketaylr (~miketaylr@12.5.149.2)
  536. # [15:59] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  537. # [16:02] <Philip`> jgraham: Maybe they're unfit and evolution just hasn't got around to killing them off yet?
  538. # [16:03] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  539. # [16:03] * Joins: tomasf (~tomasf@109.58.237.214)
  540. # [16:04] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Client Quit)
  541. # [16:04] <Philip`> Based on historical evidence, almost all species fail and go extinct, so extant species are probably just as bad and ought to die out soon - it's not like evolution has actually found a good design for organisms yet
  542. # [16:05] <jgraham> Often extinctions, at least major ones, are associated with environmental change
  543. # [16:06] <jgraham> Species that haven't experienced dramatic environmental change have often survived largely unchanged for a surprisingly long time
  544. # [16:06] <Philip`> Humans have made major environmental changes, so those goats are living on borrowed time
  545. # [16:07] * Parts: FireFly (firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com)
  546. # [16:07] <zcorpan> major but not dramatic. yet.
  547. # [16:07] <jgraham> Well that might be the case for many species. Although in the specific case of goats, domestication has given them a short term advantage
  548. # [16:08] * wilhelm scrolls up to figure out WTF this conversation is about.
  549. # [16:08] <Philip`> Of course the real danger for goats is that we will reintroduce predators like T-rexes into the ecosystem
  550. # [16:08] <zcorpan> my wife bought a goat today. though a plastic one.
  551. # [16:08] <jgraham> I am not sure that is better
  552. # [16:08] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  553. # [16:09] <jgraham> I mean I can understand why one might own a real goat
  554. # [16:09] <jgraham> Cheese, milk, meat
  555. # [16:09] <zcorpan> this one she'll give away as christmas present
  556. # [16:09] <jgraham> Does a plastic goat make those cheese squares?
  557. # [16:09] <jgraham> Like the ones they have at McDonalds
  558. # [16:09] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  559. # [16:09] <jgraham> Oh, I can understand the desire to give away a plastic goat
  560. # [16:10] * Joins: FireFly (firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com)
  561. # [16:10] <Ms2ger> jgraham, just hope you'll like it :)
  562. # [16:15] * Joins: martndemus (~martndemu@h254064.upc-h.chello.nl)
  563. # [16:16] * Joins: temp01 (~temp01@unaffiliated/temp01)
  564. # [16:16] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com)
  565. # [16:19] * Joins: jwalden (~waldo@nat/mozilla/x-nwbcxgkxyqgmuutb)
  566. # [16:20] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  567. # [16:21] * Parts: swly (~swly@82.sub-75-243-189.myvzw.com)
  568. # [16:23] * Joins: plutoniix (~plutoniix@125.25.20.116.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net)
  569. # [16:34] * Quits: Areks (~Areks@rs.gridnine.com) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  570. # [16:37] * Quits: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  571. # [16:38] * Quits: erichynds (~ehynds@venkman.brightcove.com) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  572. # [16:46] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Quit: dnlcttr)
  573. # [16:46] * Joins: seventh (seventh@27.100.19.62)
  574. # [16:46] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.98)
  575. # [16:49] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@193-64-22-41-nat.elisa-mobile.fi)
  576. # [16:51] * Joins: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  577. # [16:53] * Quits: PalleZingmark (~Adium@217.13.228.226) (Quit: Leaving.)
  578. # [16:53] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  579. # [16:54] * Joins: erichynds (~ehynds@venkman.brightcove.com)
  580. # [16:56] * Joins: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  581. # [16:57] * Joins: snowfox (~benschaaf@50-77-199-197-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  582. # [17:00] * Joins: rillian_lime (~rillian@184.71.182.138)
  583. # [17:00] * Quits: maikmerten (~merten@ls5dhcp200.cs.uni-dortmund.de) (Quit: Verlassend)
  584. # [17:02] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@pool-72-94-180-111.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
  585. # [17:05] * Quits: martndemus (~martndemu@h254064.upc-h.chello.nl) (Remote host closed the connection)
  586. # [17:05] * Joins: jarek (~jarek@aeao187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
  587. # [17:05] * Quits: jarek (~jarek@aeao187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Changing host)
  588. # [17:05] * Joins: jarek (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek)
  589. # [17:11] * Parts: JonathanNeal1 (~Jonathan@cpe-67-49-64-18.socal.res.rr.com)
  590. # [17:14] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@44-139-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Read error: Connection timed out)
  591. # [17:14] * nonge_ is now known as nonge
  592. # [17:15] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@44-139-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  593. # [17:16] * Joins: MikeSmith_ (~MikeSmith@EM111-191-9-50.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  594. # [17:16] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  595. # [17:17] * Quits: sh00p (~fredriki@c-f6e2e155.101-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving)
  596. # [17:19] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM1-113-211-199.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  597. # [17:19] * MikeSmith_ is now known as MikeSmith
  598. # [17:23] * Quits: tomasf (~tomasf@109.58.237.214) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  599. # [17:25] * Joins: jochen___ (jochen@nat/google/x-tyfkcbflrpkqozgl)
  600. # [17:27] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@44-139-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  601. # [17:27] * Quits: jochen__ (jochen@nat/google/x-fnbwfziszqkturrh) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  602. # [17:27] * jochen___ is now known as jochen__
  603. # [17:31] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@12.5.149.2) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  604. # [17:31] * Joins: tomasf (~tomasf@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se)
  605. # [17:32] * Joins: martndemus (~martndemu@h254064.upc-h.chello.nl)
  606. # [17:35] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@c-699de355.410-6-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: zcorpan)
  607. # [17:35] * Quits: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  608. # [17:36] * Quits: seventh (seventh@27.100.19.62) (Remote host closed the connection)
  609. # [17:38] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@80-16-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  610. # [17:42] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
  611. # [17:43] <smaug____> annevk: do you know if other features than the ones related to sync xhr are actively being removed from webkit? (features that DOM4 removes)
  612. # [17:44] * Quits: Timz (~Adium@86.89.174.199) (Quit: Leaving.)
  613. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> document.width/height?
  614. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> But that's it, afaik
  615. # [17:45] <smaug____> webkit still supports isSameNode etc?
  616. # [17:45] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  617. # [17:45] <smaug____> or perhaps it has never supported that
  618. # [17:45] * Joins: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com)
  619. # [17:46] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Client Quit)
  620. # [17:47] * Quits: tomasf (~tomasf@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se) (Quit: tomasf)
  621. # [17:48] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@dsl211-159-045.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
  622. # [17:49] * Joins: ap_ (~ap@c-98-248-236-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  623. # [17:53] * Joins: jarek__ (~jarek@bdc179.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
  624. # [17:53] * jarek is now known as Guest6735
  625. # [17:55] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@80-16-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  626. # [17:56] * Quits: Guest6735 (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  627. # [17:58] * Quits: ap_ (~ap@c-98-248-236-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: ap_)
  628. # [18:00] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@102-40-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net)
  629. # [18:03] * Joins: Christopher (~chatzilla@p54ABE534.dip.t-dialin.net)
  630. # [18:03] * Christopher is now known as TheChristopher
  631. # [18:03] * Quits: TheChristopher (~chatzilla@p54ABE534.dip.t-dialin.net) (Client Quit)
  632. # [18:05] * Quits: Christopher_ (~chatzilla@p54ABE994.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  633. # [18:08] * Joins: silentimp_ (~silentimp@43-44-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  634. # [18:10] * Joins: jochen___ (jochen@nat/google/x-dbchlsesoshkcwkk)
  635. # [18:10] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@102-40-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  636. # [18:11] * silentimp_ is now known as silentimp
  637. # [18:12] * Joins: crassus (~crassus@unaffiliated/crassus)
  638. # [18:12] <crassus> does IE8 have localStorage?
  639. # [18:12] * Quits: jochen__ (jochen@nat/google/x-tyfkcbflrpkqozgl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  640. # [18:12] * jochen___ is now known as jochen__
  641. # [18:14] * Quits: Lachy (Lachy@nat/opera/x-tquotossawcxlvxm) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  642. # [18:15] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com)
  643. # [18:16] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@43-44-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  644. # [18:18] * Joins: Maurice` (copyman@5ED573FA.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  645. # [18:18] * incidenc1 is now known as incidence
  646. # [18:19] * Quits: incidence (jussi@antimaterial.fi) (Changing host)
  647. # [18:19] * Joins: incidence (jussi@unaffiliated/incidence)
  648. # [18:19] * Quits: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  649. # [18:20] * Quits: plutoniix (~plutoniix@125.25.20.116.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) (Quit: Leaving)
  650. # [18:21] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  651. # [18:22] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Client Quit)
  652. # [18:22] * Joins: eric_carlson (~eric@17.212.152.104)
  653. # [18:25] * Joins: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com)
  654. # [18:27] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@159-38-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net)
  655. # [18:27] * Quits: woef (~woef@91.183.84.141) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  656. # [18:28] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  657. # [18:29] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.59.50.getinternet.no)
  658. # [18:30] * Quits: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  659. # [18:35] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  660. # [18:35] * Quits: jarek__ (~jarek@bdc179.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Leaving)
  661. # [18:35] * Joins: tomasf (~tom@c-b7dbe555.024-204-6c6b7012.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  662. # [18:35] * Joins: jarek__ (~jarek@bdc179.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
  663. # [18:35] * Quits: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
  664. # [18:35] * jarek__ is now known as jarek
  665. # [18:35] * Quits: jarek (~jarek@bdc179.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Changing host)
  666. # [18:35] * Joins: jarek (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek)
  667. # [18:36] * Parts: crassus (~crassus@unaffiliated/crassus)
  668. # [18:39] * Joins: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com)
  669. # [18:40] * Joins: terjesb (~Adium@206.79.9.46.customer.cdi.no)
  670. # [18:48] * Joins: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  671. # [18:55] * Joins: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  672. # [18:55] * Quits: eric_carlson (~eric@17.212.152.104) (Quit: eric_carlson)
  673. # [19:00] * Joins: rniwa (rniwa@nat/google/x-pgenrlwupfpunayy)
  674. # [19:04] * Joins: ap_ (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:593f:dad4:97ed:a4d1)
  675. # [19:07] * Joins: dydx (~dydz@adsl-75-36-186-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
  676. # [19:14] * Parts: terjesb (~Adium@206.79.9.46.customer.cdi.no)
  677. # [19:15] * Quits: Druide_ (~Druid@p5B05C69F.dip.t-dialin.net)
  678. # [19:19] * gwicke is now known as gwicke_away
  679. # [19:21] * Joins: eric_carlson (~eric@17.212.152.104)
  680. # [19:21] * Quits: erlehmann (~erlehmann@89.204.153.156) (Quit: Ex-Chat)
  681. # [19:24] * Joins: cpearce (~chatzilla@ip-118-90-47-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
  682. # [19:29] * Quits: cpearce (~chatzilla@ip-118-90-47-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  683. # [19:31] * Joins: erlehmann (~erlehmann@89.204.153.156)
  684. # [19:31] * Quits: nonge (~nonge@p508290F0.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: Verlassend)
  685. # [19:31] * Joins: sicking (~chatzilla@nat/mozilla/x-vudvozkzgraaveyc)
  686. # [19:32] * Joins: cpearce (~chatzilla@ip-118-90-47-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
  687. # [19:43] * Parts: brucel (~brucel@cpc5-smal11-2-0-cust151.perr.cable.virginmedia.com)
  688. # [19:43] * Quits: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: jamesr)
  689. # [19:50] * Quits: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  690. # [19:51] * Joins: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com)
  691. # [19:51] * ap_ is now known as ap
  692. # [19:57] <GPHemsley> annevk: I wanted to make sure that what I was referring to stayed constant. I also linked to the tip version below.
  693. # [19:58] * Parts: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@dsl211-159-045.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
  694. # [20:05] * paul_irish_ is now known as paul_irish
  695. # [20:10] * Joins: wesbos (~wesbos@71-17-71-205.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca)
  696. # [20:13] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@70-36-139-219.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  697. # [20:17] * Quits: cpearce (~chatzilla@ip-118-90-47-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  698. # [20:22] * Joins: silentimp_ (~silentimp@159-38-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net)
  699. # [20:22] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@159-38-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  700. # [20:22] * silentimp_ is now known as silentimp
  701. # [20:31] * gwicke_away is now known as gwicke
  702. # [20:40] * Quits: dydx (~dydz@adsl-75-36-186-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: dydx)
  703. # [20:43] * Joins: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  704. # [20:51] * Joins: dydx (~dydz@adsl-75-36-186-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
  705. # [20:52] * Joins: virtuelv (~virtuelv_@196.62.9.46.customer.cdi.no)
  706. # [20:55] * Quits: richt (~richt@cpc1-gran1-0-0-cust600.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  707. # [21:00] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com)
  708. # [21:01] * Quits: wesbos (~wesbos@71-17-71-205.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) (Quit: Leaving...)
  709. # [21:06] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@159-38-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  710. # [21:06] * Joins: wesbos (~wesbos@71-17-71-205.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca)
  711. # [21:07] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  712. # [21:10] * Quits: wesbos (~wesbos@71-17-71-205.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) (Client Quit)
  713. # [21:10] * Quits: dydx (~dydz@adsl-75-36-186-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: dydx)
  714. # [21:11] * Joins: wesbos (~wesbos@71-17-71-205.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca)
  715. # [21:13] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@140-143-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  716. # [21:25] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@140-143-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  717. # [21:25] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  718. # [21:26] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@200-121-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  719. # [21:29] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@c-24-6-209-189.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: othermaciej)
  720. # [21:34] * Quits: Obvious_MkII (tachikoma@188.226.74.2) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  721. # [21:35] * Joins: Obvious (tachikoma@188.226.74.2)
  722. # [21:37] * Quits: diraol (~diraol@201.87.62.201) (Quit: Leaving.)
  723. # [21:37] * Joins: diraol (~diraol@201.87.62.201)
  724. # [21:40] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@200-121-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  725. # [21:43] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@193-64-22-41-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  726. # [21:47] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.59.50.getinternet.no) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  727. # [21:50] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@58-38-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  728. # [21:50] * Quits: wesbos (~wesbos@71-17-71-205.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) (Quit: Leaving...)
  729. # [21:51] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@81-237-212-176-no86.tbcn.telia.com)
  730. # [21:52] * Joins: cpearce (~chatzilla@ip-118-90-47-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz)
  731. # [21:52] * Quits: gwicke (~gabriel@212.255.26.171) (Quit: Bye!)
  732. # [21:53] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@dsl211-159-045.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
  733. # [21:53] * Joins: wesbos (~wesbos@71-17-71-205.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca)
  734. # [21:55] <TabAtkins> Philip`: Ah, yeah, you're right.
  735. # [22:00] * Quits: jarek (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek) (Quit: Leaving)
  736. # [22:02] * Joins: ezoe (~ezoe@203-140-89-91f1.kyt1.eonet.ne.jp)
  737. # [22:05] * Joins: benschwarz (u2121@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acuvgsvjppekdwmx)
  738. # [22:06] * Quits: drublic (~drublic@p54AE0DA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Remote host closed the connection)
  739. # [22:12] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@58-38-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  740. # [22:12] * Quits: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@dsl211-159-045.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  741. # [22:14] * Quits: diraol (~diraol@201.87.62.201) (Quit: Leaving.)
  742. # [22:15] * Joins: JonathanNeal (~Jonathan@dsl211-159-045.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net)
  743. # [22:19] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  744. # [22:19] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Client Quit)
  745. # [22:21] * Quits: david_carlisle (~chatzilla@dcarlisle.demon.co.uk) (Remote host closed the connection)
  746. # [22:22] * Joins: silentimp (~silentimp@246-120-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  747. # [22:28] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  748. # [22:30] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Client Quit)
  749. # [22:31] * Joins: danielfilho_ (~daniel@187.31.77.7)
  750. # [22:32] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  751. # [22:33] * Quits: danielfilho (~daniel@187.31.77.7) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  752. # [22:33] * danielfilho_ is now known as danielfilho
  753. # [22:33] * Joins: seventh (seventh@27.100.19.59)
  754. # [22:34] * Joins: WeirdAl (~chatzilla@g2spf.ask.info)
  755. # [22:35] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@70-36-139-219.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  756. # [22:35] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@193-64-22-202-nat.elisa-mobile.fi)
  757. # [22:37] * Joins: nessy1 (~Adium@124-171-25-158.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  758. # [22:42] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@193-64-22-202-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) (Remote host closed the connection)
  759. # [22:42] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@193-64-22-202-nat.elisa-mobile.fi)
  760. # [22:45] * Joins: diraol (~diraol@201.87.62.201)
  761. # [22:50] * Quits: FlorianX1 (~Dimitri@p578F1BA1.dip.t-dialin.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  762. # [22:52] <bga> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vDLb3Nq824
  763. # [22:52] <bga> :)
  764. # [22:54] * Quits: diraol (~diraol@201.87.62.201) (Quit: Leaving.)
  765. # [22:56] * Quits: graememcc (~chatzilla@host86-150-159-9.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 9.0/20111219070828])
  766. # [22:58] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@2620:149:4:1b01:1c2d:5d2f:bf91:98ef)
  767. # [22:59] * Quits: erlehmann (~erlehmann@89.204.153.156) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  768. # [23:00] * Quits: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: jamesr)
  769. # [23:00] * Joins: BenoitRen (~BenoitRen@91.177.148.13)
  770. # [23:00] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  771. # [23:00] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  772. # [23:01] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  773. # [23:01] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  774. # [23:05] * Joins: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  775. # [23:06] * Quits: jamesr (~jamesr@173-164-251-190-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Client Quit)
  776. # [23:06] <BenoitRen> Hi there.
  777. # [23:07] <BenoitRen> I don't have a W3 BugZilla account. Is it all right if I respond to a comment in a bug that I filed here?
  778. # [23:08] <Ms2ger> Please create a bugzilla account
  779. # [23:08] <kennyluck> Yeah, anyone can do that.
  780. # [23:11] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.52.163) (Quit: nn)
  781. # [23:11] * Quits: Maurice` (copyman@5ED573FA.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  782. # [23:11] * Joins: erlehmann (~erlehmann@89.204.155.105)
  783. # [23:18] * Joins: silentimp_ (~silentimp@45-112-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  784. # [23:18] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@246-120-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  785. # [23:18] * silentimp_ is now known as silentimp
  786. # [23:19] * Quits: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM111-191-9-50.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  787. # [23:19] * Quits: eric_carlson (~eric@17.212.152.104) (Quit: eric_carlson)
  788. # [23:23] * Quits: erichynds (~ehynds@venkman.brightcove.com)
  789. # [23:23] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.98) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  790. # [23:24] * Joins: th3_Chr1s (~christoph@p54ABE534.dip.t-dialin.net)
  791. # [23:26] * Joins: MikeSmith (~MikeSmith@EM1-112-220-183.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  792. # [23:33] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@pool-72-94-180-111.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  793. # [23:33] * Joins: silentimp_ (~silentimp@188-95-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net)
  794. # [23:34] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@45-112-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  795. # [23:34] * silentimp_ is now known as silentimp
  796. # [23:34] * Quits: WeirdAl (~chatzilla@g2spf.ask.info) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 9.0/20111216140209])
  797. # [23:35] * Joins: saba (~foo@unaffiliated/saba)
  798. # [23:39] * Quits: snowfox (~benschaaf@50-77-199-197-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  799. # [23:40] * Joins: schnoomac (~schnoomac@melbourne.99cluster.com)
  800. # [23:42] * Quits: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  801. # [23:42] * Joins: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  802. # [23:42] * Parts: dnlcttr (~dnlcttr@74-131-188-203.dhcp.insightbb.com)
  803. # [23:48] * Joins: eric_carlson (~eric@17.212.152.104)
  804. # [23:48] <BenoitRen> Still no confirmation e-mail message. Damn it.
  805. # [23:49] <zewt> nothing like useless email confirmations to make people mailinator
  806. # [23:59] * Quits: silentimp (~silentimp@188-95-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  807. # Session Close: Fri Dec 23 00:00:00 2011

The end :)