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  80. # [07:35] <zcorpan> AryehGregor: i did some research into [TreatNullAs=EmptyString] for opera. for methods and constructors, i think we should match the specs, and that should be mostly compatible. we don't match the spec for attributes because there was some problem with some attribute on <input> i think
  81. # [07:36] <zcorpan> but we've had "null" for attributes earlier and i think we can change back to that, possibly with a few exceptions if compat requires
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  89. # [08:32] <MikeSmith> I'm getting an "argument to reversed() must be a sequence" when trying to run anolis
  90. # [08:32] <MikeSmith> sound familiar to anybody?
  91. # [08:34] <MikeSmith> full error output: https://gist.github.com/1549710
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  106. # [09:34] <hsivonen> well, this is going to be a success https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15380
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  124. # [10:29] <annevk> I've slowly come to realize multi-octet encodings can only be tackled one at a time :/
  125. # [10:29] <annevk> Today it's shift_jis
  126. # [10:29] <annevk> well, cp932
  127. # [10:34] <jgraham> By the end of the day you might have figured out what to call it ;)
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  130. # [10:37] <Ms2ger> I suggest x-obsoleted-shift_jis
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  132. # [10:40] <jgraham> AryehGregor: Congratulations on the job
  133. # [10:41] * jgraham continues to work backwards through time
  134. # [10:41] <zcorpan> i suggest you go by which has the most hits on google code search
  135. # [10:42] <annevk> the name?
  136. # [10:42] <annevk> the name is shift_jis
  137. # [10:42] <annevk> the implementation is cp932 plus some details that are not documented currently
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  173. # [13:03] <MikeSmith> what does the anolis --dump-xrefs option do?
  174. # [13:04] <jgraham> MikeSmith: The behaviour you complained about earlier looks like a bug to me. What did you use as input?
  175. # [13:04] <Ms2ger> It writes out a JSON file with the xrefs for other specs to use
  176. # [13:05] <MikeSmith> jgraham: that turned out to be pilot error
  177. # [13:05] <jgraham> Ah, not the kind that causes hundreds of people to plunge to their death I hope
  178. # [13:06] <jgraham> What did you do? The error message wasn't clear…
  179. # [13:07] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I was trying to run anolis from a symlink but I think it was expecting to find stuff in a relative path
  180. # [13:07] <MikeSmith> or something
  181. # [13:08] <MikeSmith> I fixed it by not running it from a symlink
  182. # [13:08] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger, so if I have "anolis --dump-xrefs=data/xrefs/dom/url.json Overview.src.html /tmp/spec", it's supposed to writ out a url.json file?
  183. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> Yes
  184. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> hmm
  185. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> if I run that, I get an error message: "[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data/xrefs/dom/url.json'"
  186. # [13:09] <annevk> jgraham: any update on that multipage validator bug?
  187. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> Ah
  188. # [13:10] <Ms2ger> It does require a file with { "url": "..." } to be present already
  189. # [13:10] <MikeSmith> ah, OK
  190. # [13:11] <annevk> ooh, did I never check in url.json?
  191. # [13:11] <Ms2ger> Don't think so
  192. # [13:11] <annevk> my bad
  193. # [13:11] <annevk> MikeSmith: shall I check mine in so you can run update?
  194. # [13:11] <MikeSmith> annevk: yes please
  195. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> Documentation for this stuff has been on my todo list for ages :)
  196. # [13:12] <MikeSmith> was trying to run the build for the URL spec
  197. # [13:15] <jgraham> annevk: I changed stuff. Did the problem get fixed?
  198. # [13:16] <annevk> MikeSmith: updated Makefile and data/
  199. # [13:16] <MikeSmith> thanks
  200. # [13:16] * MikeSmith pulls
  201. # [13:19] <annevk> jgraham: there was an open bug on the issue but I cannot find it
  202. # [13:21] <annevk> jgraham: oh, I guess Hixie has not updated the spec either
  203. # [13:21] <annevk> fyi: I'm on vacation starting next week Wednesday
  204. # [13:22] <annevk> if anyone can take over WHATWG Weekly until February that would be nice
  205. # [13:26] <annevk> jgraham: why again could it be a problem because of your script? because it is not a problem in single-page
  206. # [13:26] <annevk> the bug is https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12539 btw
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  208. # [13:29] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: thanks for teh docs update
  209. # [13:29] <jgraham> annevk: iirc the problem was lxml didn't support the full set of named entities or something
  210. # [13:29] <Ms2ger> 'twas long overdue
  211. # [13:29] <annevk> and lxml is not used for single page?
  212. # [13:30] <jgraham> It is used to parse it, but not serialise it. I guess Hixie doesn't use the named entities in the source
  213. # [13:31] <jgraham> The flow is Hixie -> single page -> multipage where each -> implies an application of the lxml parser
  214. # [13:31] <annevk> ah, so with the second invocation it goes wrong
  215. # [13:31] <jgraham> Yeah
  216. # [13:31] <annevk> thanks
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  243. # [14:56] <bga_> hm
  244. # [14:57] <bga_> its not possible to apply many -webkit-mask to one element?
  245. # [14:57] <bga_> only last is applied
  246. # [14:57] <bga_> :(
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  262. # [15:20] <MikeSmith> OK, my anolis now seems to be turning U+2019 into &rsquor;
  263. # [15:20] <Ms2ger> Blame html5lib
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  265. # [15:21] <MikeSmith> I should update my html5lib?
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  267. # [15:28] <gsnedders> When was it changed in the spec?
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  269. # [15:31] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: I don't know that it was changed
  270. # [15:32] <MikeSmith> does the spec say which should be preferred?
  271. # [15:33] <MikeSmith> or does the spec even say anything at all about converting code points to named character references?
  272. # [15:35] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: Well, is U+2019 the definition of &rsquor;?
  273. # [15:35] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: What gets encoded to character references depends on the charset used.
  274. # [15:36] <gsnedders> html5lib prefers named character references to numeric ones.
  275. # [15:37] <MikeSmith> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/named-character-references.html#named-character-references lists both &rsquo; and &rsquor; as referring to U+2019
  276. # [15:39] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, would you take a patch to prefer only those named character references that were in HTML4?
  277. # [15:40] <annevk> can't we just use numeric throughout or actual references throughout?
  278. # [15:40] <annevk> actual code ponits*
  279. # [15:40] <annevk> points*
  280. # [15:40] <Ms2ger> How about ponies?
  281. # [15:41] <MikeSmith> I vote for preferring numeric throughout
  282. # [15:46] <jgraham> MikeSmith: You can do that
  283. # [15:46] <MikeSmith> oh?
  284. # [15:46] <MikeSmith> can I do it from anolis?
  285. # [15:49] <jgraham> …maybe
  286. # [15:49] <jgraham> ask gsnedders or Ms2ger :p
  287. # [15:49] <Ms2ger> Looking
  288. # [15:51] <Ms2ger> jgraham, resolve_entities?
  289. # [15:52] <jgraham> Yes, I think so
  290. # [15:52] <Ms2ger> That's an awful name
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  292. # [15:52] <jgraham> Unless you have version control evidence to the contrary, I didn't invent it
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  294. # [15:54] <Ms2ger> changeset: 1516:3f6b82fe7e8e
  295. # [15:54] <Ms2ger> user: jgraham <james@hoppipolla.co.uk>
  296. # [15:54] <Ms2ger> date: Sat Mar 13 21:48:00 2010 +0100
  297. # [15:54] <Ms2ger> summary: Work with lxml entities
  298. # [15:54] <Ms2ger> (Carefully omitting "based on patch by fantasai")
  299. # [15:54] <jgraham> Heh
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  363. # [18:48] <annevk> Opera has something similar to https://bug631751.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=511429
  364. # [18:49] <annevk> though I don't think we check over 1024 octets
  365. # [18:50] <annevk> in any event, that is content without a label
  366. # [18:50] <annevk> not sure how much of that is in scope for the encoding spec
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  371. # [19:04] <annevk> FYI: For the encoding standard I'm going to flip the default of algorithms
  372. # [19:04] <annevk> FYI: They terminate when something returns
  373. # [19:04] <annevk> (minus second FYI)
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  375. # [19:05] <jgraham> Great
  376. # [19:05] <annevk> and I guess I will slowly do it elsewhere too
  377. # [19:05] <annevk> e.g. DOM
  378. # [19:06] <annevk> in the cases where an algorithm does not terminate when returning, we always say it explicitly anyway
  379. # [19:07] <jgraham> Yeah, because that is pretty odd behaviour
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  388. # [19:38] <annevk> here's a start with shift_jis http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/encoding/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#shift_jis
  389. # [19:38] <annevk> anyone a good idea how to represent an array consisting of digits in a standard? ordered list made compact somehow by CSS?
  390. # [19:38] <annevk> also ideas for external data tables are welcome too
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