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  99. # [04:20] <crankharder> it seems that if I create an indexedDB on a page that is https
  100. # [04:20] <crankharder> i cannot access it from a page that is http
  101. # [04:20] <crankharder> is that expected, and if so - is there a workaround?
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  104. # [04:21] <crankharder> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/IndexedDB/Basic_Concepts_Behind_IndexedDB "IndexedDB adheres to a same-origin policy"
  105. # [04:21] <crankharder> bah
  106. # [04:23] <crankharder> so i'm trying to download data (json) over SSL since it's somewhat sensitive, and store it in idexedDB to be used by the application cache
  107. # [04:23] <Hixie> so... is there a spec anywhere that actually describes the precise steps for parsing http or websocket requests? or am i supposed to guess at things like error handling
  108. # [04:23] <crankharder> my application cache needs to be HTTP since the homepage is HTTP. nobody will visit https to reach my homepage
  109. # [04:23] <zewt> so redirect to https and stop using http
  110. # [04:24] <Hixie> crankharder: if your app is server over http, then it doesn't matter what you encrypt, since someone can just inject some arbitrary JS and take over your site.
  111. # [04:24] <Hixie> served, rather
  112. # [04:24] <crankharder> zewt: that redirect won't happen when offline
  113. # [04:24] <zewt> sure it will, if it always happens first thing so the url they bookmark is https
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  115. # [04:25] <crankharder> if they bookmark it
  116. # [04:25] <crankharder> what if they just type in "domain.com"
  117. # [04:25] <crankharder> the app cache needs to be nonsecure
  118. # [04:25] <Hixie> their browser will autocomplete to wherever they had gone
  119. # [04:25] <zewt> then their browser should autocomplete the url
  120. # [04:26] <crankharder> nah, too error prone for dumb users
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  122. # [04:27] <zewt> shrug, you'll have the same problem with people typing url.com vs www.url.com
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  124. # [04:30] <crankharder> hrm, maybe i can subdomain this whole feature at offline.domain.com or some such, then all of that can be https, instead of the entire website
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  126. # [04:30] <zewt> sounds like it's bypassing the whole design of appcache (use the same url)
  127. # [04:31] <crankharder> bah, yea :/
  128. # [04:31] <zewt> and if people are inconsistently entering urls by hand, that's hardly going to decrease the error rate
  129. # [04:34] <zewt> note that browsers *may* cache permanent redirects, so loading foo.com with a cached redirect to https://www.foo.com may still work even offline (don't know how consistent that is and you need to get the cache headers right)
  130. # [04:34] <crankharder> maybe i could make a second http app cache that simply javascript redirects to https
  131. # [04:35] <crankharder> that creates all kinds of problems though... can't cache the homepage since it's dynamic
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  154. # [06:17] <crankharder> my /offline has <html manifest='/cache.manifest'>. my / does not. How is it that when I visit / while offline my fallback clause still invoked?
  155. # [06:17] <crankharder> manifest file: http://pastie.org/3273979
  156. # [06:17] <crankharder> is it because the same original has a saved cached?
  157. # [06:17] <crankharder> *origin
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  193. # [09:23] <Hixie> crankharder: if you're offline, then it'll fail to get /, and will then look in all its caches, and will find the fallback.
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  297. # [15:14] <Ms2ger> Philip`, thanks for your tests :)
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  299. # [15:24] <Philip`> Ms2ger: Is that a precursor to asking "but when you are going to stop being so lazy and get around to responding to all the bugs?" :-)
  300. # [15:24] * Philip` needs to stop putting that off...
  301. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> You do
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  303. # [15:25] <Ms2ger> But it was just because I found a bug in my code with them :)
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  420. # [21:06] <Hixie> Ms2ger: which spec?
  421. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> HTML
  422. # [21:09] <Hixie> modulo a problem at dreamhost as we speak, i'm not aware of any non-updating going on (or rather, not going on)
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  424. # [21:09] <Hixie> so if something isn't updating, it's a bug somewhere
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  426. # [21:11] <Ms2ger> It claimed to be last updated on the 24th earlier
  427. # [21:11] <Hixie> "it" being which copy, exactly?
  428. # [21:11] <Ms2ger> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/
  429. # [21:11] <Hixie> ah, multipage
  430. # [21:11] <Hixie> yeah that might be broken
  431. # [21:11] <Ms2ger> Hmm, didn't check singlepage
  432. # [21:12] <Hixie> i'll investigate when i get access to the server again
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  455. # [21:50] <crankharder> I've got a page w/ this: <html manifest='/offline_app.manifest'> --- when I visit it I'm getting a cache error event: "resource fetch failed"
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  457. # [21:50] <crankharder> I can access the file directly just fine though. thoughts?
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  461. # [21:52] <crankharder> just curled it, Content-Type: text/cache-manifest
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  465. # [22:08] <AryehGregor> It's always nice to be reminded how many Gmail accounts I have when Google sends an e-mail to each and every one without noticing that they're set up to forward everything.
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  467. # [22:08] <AryehGregor> Apparently: nine.
  468. # [22:08] <AryehGregor> At least.
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