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  68. # [02:34] <heycam> TabAtkins, yeah that's totally what currentColor is for
  69. # [02:35] <heycam> you could have a mixed HTML/SVG document, inherit your text colour through the color property into the SVG fragment, and use currentColor to set the fill of the SVG <text> elements to the same colour
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  139. # [07:54] <benschwarz> Hixie: !
  140. # [07:55] <Hixie> sup
  141. # [07:55] <benschwarz> Hey mate
  142. # [07:55] <benschwarz> enjoying australian supper
  143. # [07:55] <benschwarz> erm
  144. # [07:55] <benschwarz> hah. summer.
  145. # [07:56] <benschwarz> just had a bike ride, a little fried
  146. # [07:56] <benschwarz> (its 33º)
  147. # [07:57] <Hixie> it's "winter" here but, you know, it's california, so... :-)
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  149. # [07:57] <benschwarz> Hixie: what do you think about making localstorage automagically stringify a json object?
  150. # [07:57] <benschwarz> as a change to localstorage
  151. # [07:58] <Hixie> tried it
  152. # [07:58] <Hixie> browsers wouldn't do it
  153. # [07:58] <Hixie> gave up
  154. # [07:58] <Hixie> and it wouldn't be backwards-incompatible now, so not much we can do
  155. # [07:59] <benschwarz> vendors didn't go for it?
  156. # [07:59] <benschwarz> how come?
  157. # [08:00] <Hixie> i forget the details
  158. # [08:00] <Hixie> it was a while back now
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  160. # [08:04] <benschwarz> Hixie: the appcache / localstorage screencast I recorded last july came out today
  161. # [08:05] <Hixie> cool
  162. # [08:05] <Hixie> that's quite the latency :-)
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  164. # [08:12] <benschwarz> well, yeah
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  166. # [08:12] <benschwarz> we were both very busy through the latter part of the year
  167. # [08:13] <benschwarz> but, nice to see it out
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  171. # [08:32] <brighthas> IE9 nosuper __defineGetter__ ?
  172. # [08:36] <MikeSmith> benschwarz: I think the reason why browser vendors didn't want to change it was what Hixie mentioned about it not being backward-compatible
  173. # [08:36] <MikeSmith> so it would have required changing their implementations and breaking some sites that we already using local storage
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  175. # [08:38] <MikeSmith> I think the browser vendors in general are now not real keen on encouraging developers to use local storage at all to begin with
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  177. # [08:38] <MikeSmith> and would rather everybody just used indexed database api instead
  178. # [08:39] <MikeSmith> which kinda sucks for Web developers in that it's a lot more complicated API to use
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  193. # [10:05] <benschwarz> indexdb is a solution looking for a problem
  194. # [10:05] <benschwarz> @ MikeSmith & Hixie
  195. # [10:05] <benschwarz> and MikeSmith, good to see you :)
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  200. # [10:19] <benschwarz> and localStorage is easy to use and understand, useful, well deployed…
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  203. # [10:50] <MikeSmith> benschwarz: http://html5doctor.com/storing-data-the-simple-html5-way-and-a-few-tricks-you-might-not-have-known/#comment-17291
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  205. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> this article claims to have a way to handle deal with the race-condition problem - http://sixrevisions.com/html/introduction-web-storage/
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  213. # [11:33] <benschwarz> I never thought about using an event like that
  214. # [11:33] <benschwarz> one thing the chrome team had trouble with, is that each tab runs in its own process too…
  215. # [11:34] <benschwarz> well, I guess its a software design technicality, not a single thing they had trouble with
  216. # [11:34] <Velmont> Well, I'm using websql right now, -- so i'll have to port it to idb once opera supports that. :-)
  217. # [11:34] <benschwarz> its fundamentally a more complex browser for that reason
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  303. # [15:24] <zewt> the problems with localStorage tend to be overstated, too; they're valid in complex cases, but I've yet to hear of it causing issues in the real world, with the sorts of things most people use it for
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  305. # [15:25] <zewt> if you're just storing the user's last selected sort column for client-side results sorting, you have to contrive pretty hard to come up with a serious problem it could cause
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  330. # [16:14] <benschwarz> zewt: we used localstorage for currency.io, again, simple, but it was the perfect tool for the job
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  336. # [16:31] <zewt> i suppose you could sort-of emulate it with idb+workers
  337. # [16:32] <zewt> load the entire structure (some waste here); when you change it, send the change to the (shared) worker, which broadcasts the change to anyone else using it
  338. # [16:32] <zewt> not the same since changes would be exposed to other threads asynchronously rather than synchronously, but most uses (and all sane uses, I think) don't care about that
  339. # [16:33] <zewt> or just use idb directly, I suppose, but preloading its contents so it can be read synchronously (which is the main thing people like about localStorage)
  340. # [16:34] <zewt> (and the main thing people hate about it. heh)
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  366. # [18:26] <annevk> Ms2ger: where does this new-style for optional parameter values come from?
  367. # [18:26] <annevk> guess I should use that elsewhere too
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  369. # [18:30] <Ms2ger> We wanted to implement that in Mozilla's WebIDL parser, and thought it would be useful for specs too
  370. # [18:34] <annevk> is it experimental or part of Web IDL?
  371. # [18:34] <annevk> #lazy
  372. # [18:35] <Ms2ger> Part of WebIDL
  373. # [18:36] <annevk> ta
  374. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> It's nice to have the editor on your payroll ;)
  375. # [18:36] <smaug____> what new style ?
  376. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> optional boolean deep = true
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  378. # [18:36] <smaug____> ah
  379. # [18:36] <smaug____> that sounds good
  380. # [18:37] <Ms2ger> Next up, WebIDL dictionaries in XPIDL
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  382. # [18:37] <smaug____> Ms2ger: why in XPIDL ?
  383. # [18:38] <Ms2ger> Dunno, ask emk
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  390. # [18:46] <mhausenblas> http://www.caniuse.com/#feat=cors ... meh
  391. # [18:48] <mhausenblas> annevk, I get a shit-load of suggestions and requests for http://enable-cors.org/ ... what do you think, is it time for a little FAQ/screencast/video that covers the most pressing issues?
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  407. # [19:59] <annevk> mh...?
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The end :)