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- # [10:24] <Taggnostr> is there a CSS3 validator?
- # [10:26] <Taggnostr> now I found it in the option before the validation, but it would be better to provide a way to change the version in the result page, or try CSS3 validation when CSS2 validation fails (if that makes sense)
- # [10:27] <Taggnostr> (is a valid CSS2 page always valid CSS3 too?)
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- # [11:14] <estellevw> Taggnostr: Louis wrote a piece on it: http://www.impressivewebs.com/css3-validation/
- # [11:14] <estellevw> basically, use the validator with these steps: Change the “Profile” to “CSS Level 3″
- # [11:14] <estellevw> Change the “Warnings” to “No warnings” or “Most important”
- # [11:14] <estellevw> Change the “Vendor extensions” to “Warnings”
- # [11:15] <estellevw> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/#validate_by_uri+with_options
- # [11:16] <Taggnostr> vendor extensions is another thing that sometimes annoys me, but in this specific instance I saw 8 errors and when I went to check they were about :last-child
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- # [11:17] <Taggnostr> couldn't the validator use CSS3 by default? I usually get directly to the validation page without going through the page you linked
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- # [11:20] <Taggnostr> estellevw, thanks for the link though, I think I might just tweak the tools I'm using to use css3 by default in the meanwhile
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- # [11:48] <Ms2ger> "you may have questions regarding recent W3C
- # [11:48] <Ms2ger> developments, including
- # [11:48] <Ms2ger> XHTML 1.0
- # [11:48] <Ms2ger> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1"
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- # [11:51] <estellevw> the date on that is 2002
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- # [12:03] <Ms2ger> Anne, could you redeploy web-apps-tracker to fix the bug numbers?
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- # [12:12] <annevk> Ms2ger: can you also make sure it always outputs https URLs?
- # [12:14] <annevk> Ms2ger: I can do it too I suppose
- # [12:24] <annevk> I can, but apparently cannot commit it back from the server ...
- # [12:24] <annevk> maybe once foolip is around he can sort that out
- # [12:26] * Ms2ger looks
- # [12:27] <annevk> html5.org is updated
- # [12:27] <annevk> I also have this in my copy:
- # [12:27] <annevk> + elif line.startswith("Affected topics:"):
- # [12:27] <annevk> + pass
- # [12:28] <annevk> as well as
- # [12:28] <annevk> - bug = "<a href=\"http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=" + revChanges["bug"] + "\">" + revChanges["bug"] + "</a>"
- # [12:28] <annevk> + bug = "<a href=\"https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=" + revChanges["bug"] + "\">" + revChanges["bug"] + "</a>"
- # [12:28] <annevk> but no way to commit it :/
- # [12:31] <Ms2ger> Committed both of those
- # [12:36] <annevk> cheers
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- # [12:38] <annevk> hmm feedback on File API draft resulted in discussion on method parameters without topic change...
- # [12:38] * annevk reviews readAsTExt
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- # [12:50] <annevk> I forgot to quote the last part of Arun's email: "Feel free to respond to public-webapps"
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- # [12:57] <annevk> how did StreamBuilder even end up getting introduced?
- # [12:57] <annevk> seems like it was introduced post the BlobBuilder fiasco
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- # [13:05] <Ms2ger> Microsoft?
- # [13:05] <annevk> Ms2ger: for http://html5.org/specs/dom-parsing.html the URL should be about:blank, which is the initial value
- # [13:06] <annevk> Ms2ger: it should not be null in particular
- # [13:06] <Ms2ger> It was null in Chrome/Opera, I believe
- # [13:06] <annevk> yeah, but we want to align with Gecko
- # [13:06] <annevk> so it's always a valid URL
- # [13:06] <mhausenblas> hey annevk, got a sec?
- # [13:07] <annevk> mhausenblas: I saw your query yesterday, what are unanswered questions? sounds like they should go to a mailing list
- # [13:07] <Ms2ger> Well, Gecko had the URL of the page
- # [13:08] <annevk> ugh
- # [13:08] <mhausenblas> more like deployment issues and sorta 'is this gonna happen? stable?' - I always point them in your direction, annevk :P
- # [13:08] <Ms2ger> Fun, isn't it? :)
- # [13:09] <annevk> mhausenblas: I see
- # [13:09] <annevk> Ms2ger: I think we can still get them all to align on the about:blank thingie...
- # [13:09] <mhausenblas> I try to gather and address the stuff at enable-cors.org anyways, but I was thinking more of a sort of statement, like 'yes, it's safe to use it. it's stable, etc.'
- # [13:10] <Ms2ger> That works for me too
- # [13:10] <mhausenblas> anyways, looks like you're busy - lemme know if you wanna do something about it, annevk, yes?
- # [13:10] <Ms2ger> File a bug, please? I need to go now.
- # [13:10] <annevk> Ms2ger: k, btw, when you create an error document is content type still the original content type?
- # [13:10] <annevk> mhausenblas: what do you want to do about it?
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- # [13:11] <annevk> mhausenblas: isn't stackoverflow there to help people out?
- # [13:11] <mhausenblas> hmmm, good question - dunno, maybe a screen cast
- # [13:11] <Ms2ger> Yes
- # [13:11] <mhausenblas> yeah, sure
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- # [13:11] <mhausenblas> I think more along the advocacy line
- # [13:12] <annevk> mhausenblas: we can try a screencast for sure
- # [13:12] <annevk> been a while since I did something like that
- # [13:12] <mhausenblas> of course, providing the solutions is also a goal of enable-cors.org but advocacy is still important
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- # [13:13] <mhausenblas> right. now, we could do it sort of interview style - I can prep some questions and the via G+ hangout, as you, etc
- # [13:14] <mhausenblas> I didn't really think hard about it, but something to reassure people that CORS is the right thing to do, and it's easy and safe to use, etc
- # [13:14] <mhausenblas> s/and the via G+ hangout, as you, etc/and then via G+ hangout, ask you, etc
- # [13:15] <annevk> sure okay
- # [13:15] <mhausenblas> OMG, still a bit hangover-ish from yesterdays Scotch night, sry
- # [13:15] <annevk> haha
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- # [13:15] <mhausenblas> don't laugh so loud, my brain hurts :P
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- # [13:15] <mhausenblas> right, so I might pop you some questions via mail and then we take it from there, annevk, yes?
- # [13:16] <mhausenblas> to annevk AT opera DOT com - or?
- # [13:17] <annevk> sure
- # [13:17] <annevk> and yes, that email works
- # [13:17] <mhausenblas> cool. cya & have a nice one ...
- # [13:20] <annevk> you too man, I recommend fruit and maybe a beer ;)
- # [13:20] <mhausenblas> fruit++ - beer, dunno, wife looks suspicious and kids somehow demand a sober dad on Sunday ;)
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- # [13:33] <hsivonen> sigh. the wikipedia page on xhr is out of date but the policies are against me fixing it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:XMLHttpRequest#Neither_limited_to_XML_nor_HTTP
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- # [13:34] <wilhelm_> Write something on the discussion page.
- # [13:34] <annevk> prolly the wrong channel for lobbying for such changes :)
- # [13:34] <annevk> that's what he did
- # [13:36] <wilhelm_> I can't read, apparently.
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- # [13:40] <bga> inkscape so slow :(
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- # [14:09] <mhausenblas> hsivonen re editing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest - I think you have some very valid points there
- # [14:10] * mhausenblas folding in the edits now
- # [14:11] * mhausenblas forgot how painful Wikipedia editing got ;)
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- # [14:13] <annevk> oh yes
- # [14:13] <annevk> inbox <400
- # [14:13] <annevk> I wonder if I was at less than 300 before I left...
- # [14:14] <mhausenblas> :)
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- # [14:24] <mhausenblas> ok, hsivonen - pls have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest and lemme know if the edits are fine ...
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- # [14:31] <mhausenblas> and now for something completely different. to the tunes of 'especially for you', annevk - https://plus.google.com/u/0/102497386507936526460/posts/gYquiyQ7xXj
- # [14:31] <annevk> lol
- # [14:31] <annevk> how do I attribute you on twitter for that?
- # [14:31] <annevk> ah
- # [14:32] <mhausenblas> no worries, just provide link to G+ post, should work
- # [14:33] <mhausenblas> tx, bro ;)
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- # [15:06] <annevk> Philip`: can you maybe weigh in on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470523 ? encoding support for iso-2022-cn
- # [15:07] <annevk> Philip`: see my comment (7)
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- # [15:11] <Philip`> annevk: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=21354 seems to be the reasoning for Chrome's implementation
- # [15:12] <Philip`> annevk: I'm not sure what kind of weighing in would be useful
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- # [15:16] <annevk> thanks
- # [15:16] <annevk> I'll just add a pointer to that discussion
- # [15:18] <zewt_> bugzilla needs to stop with the useless "comment collision" silliness
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- # [15:19] <annevk> seems better to just have a simplistic decoder and encoder to me
- # [15:19] <smaug____> zewt: file a bug
- # [15:20] <smaug____> zewt: though, I'm pretty sure there is a bug file filed already
- # [15:20] <annevk> I don't like that people file ACTIONS on me to fix a spec bug
- # [15:20] <annevk> e.g. https://www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/track/actions/46
- # [15:20] <annevk> no way to add a comment
- # [15:20] <annevk> meh
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- # [15:25] <smaug____> timeless could just fix some bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303738
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- # [16:07] <zewt> annevk: might be
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- # [16:12] <nueva> is there any easy way in Python's html5lib to not convert HTML entities from input stream into unicode characters?
- # [16:13] <nueva> i want just sanitize input stream but leave HTML entities as-is
- # [16:14] <Philip`> nueva: Would it be acceptable if it converted Unicode characters back into entities when re-serializing the stream?
- # [16:14] <nueva> yes
- # [16:15] <gsnedders> You can just use encoding="ascii" and then it'll encode everything that's not ASCII
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- # [16:21] <nueva> ok it works, thanks. but my input stream is in utf-8 and i want it to stay as-is and not in form of HTML entities for every character. is there any another way?
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- # [17:16] <annevk> working in the weekend is nice
- # [17:16] <annevk> the only email you get is your own
- # [17:16] <annevk> inbox <350
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- # [21:04] <charlvn> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pbryan-http-json-resource-01
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- # [21:11] <mhausenblas> tx charlvn for spotting the ID
- # [21:12] <mhausenblas> great, now we have three contenders in this space
- # [21:12] <mhausenblas> OData/JSON, Object Network and this one
- # [21:15] <charlvn> this one seems to be purely for JSON+REST, i think the scope of the others might be a little more specific?
- # [21:17] <mhausenblas> charlvn, oh, let's not go down the REST route ;)
- # [21:18] <mhausenblas> OData is APP with a JSON serialisation and ON is too new to tell, really
- # [21:18] <mhausenblas> but good to see competition in this area, really
- # [21:18] <charlvn> sorry, HTTP :)
- # [21:18] <charlvn> but yeah
- # [21:19] <mhausenblas> OData, though backed by MS and what seems to be a big community is too hefty for my taste
- # [21:19] <mhausenblas> he he
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- # [21:19] <mhausenblas> 'A Convention for HTTP Access to JSON Resources' sounds also humble enough to me ;)
- # [21:20] <mhausenblas> charlvn, do you know the Editor ( Paul C. Bryan)?
- # [21:21] <charlvn> nope can't say i do
- # [21:21] <mhausenblas> righto
- # [21:21] <mhausenblas> seems there is a bit of a CouchDB influence there (see ack section)
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- # [21:24] <mhausenblas> time for a blog post about this topic. TTYL, charlvn and tx again for great spotting!
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- # [21:25] <charlvn> np :)
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- # [21:29] * mhausenblas will credit you, of course, charlvn - any preferred handle? twitter?
- # [21:31] <mhausenblas> BTW, hsivonen, seems the Wikipedia policy hasn't figured my today's edits (yet) ... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XMLHttpRequest&action=history
- # [21:31] <mhausenblas> s/policy/police
- # [21:34] <charlvn> mhausenblas: nah not at all, my full name is "Charl van Niekerk"
- # [21:34] <mhausenblas> k
- # [21:35] * mhausenblas will paste the URL of blog post here later on in case you wanna follow-up on it ;)
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- # [22:28] <mhausenblas> charlvn, see http://webofdata.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/json-http-data-links/
- # [22:28] <charlvn> cool, thanks!
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