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  50. # [04:43] <zewt> gah
  51. # [04:43] <zewt> does amazon use sync xhr? heh
  52. # [04:44] <zewt> tethering on my phone and having chrome freeze randomly searching on amazon
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  97. # [06:57] <smartie2> >> "check ecma"
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  135. # [12:59] <jgraham> Taggnostr: I can't imagine that making a Python 3 port of tml5lib would take more than a day or two. Maybe "make a Python 3 port and an API that acts a a drop-in replacement for HTMLParser" would be more reasonable. Well I imagine that adding that would also be pretty trivial, but enabling the parser to work with a streaming API for minimal memory consumption would be a little harder. Still seems like it would be ~10 days work including learning all
  136. # [13:00] <gsnedders> (note that possibly for streaming you may have to buffer the whole document)
  137. # [13:00] <gsnedders> (as nodes can be moved and inserted earlier in the tree)
  138. # [13:05] <jgraham> Well looking at it, it seems that HTMLParser doesn't tell you where nodes were inserted
  139. # [13:08] <jgraham> So the only thing that you need the treebuilder for is to handle things like <script><div></script> and <sircle/><svg><circle/>
  140. # [13:08] <jgraham> s/sircle/circle/
  141. # [13:10] <jgraham> It is prety tempting to just hook into the tokenizer, ignore the treebuilder and say that it is an application-level concern to realise that if you just saw a <script>, a <div> tag is actually text
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  143. # [13:13] <gsnedders> jgraham: But the treebuilder changes tokenizer state.
  144. # [13:14] <jgraham> gsnedders: I know
  145. # [13:14] * gsnedders blames foreign content :(
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  147. # [13:14] <jgraham> But the existing implementation seems to be horribly broken
  148. # [13:14] <jgraham> <script><div> -> 1 start tag
  149. # [13:14] <jgraham> <xmp><div> -> 2 start tags
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  151. # [13:16] <jgraham> It seems quite possible to just find all the special cases that the existing implementation knows about, hardcode them in to the HTMLParser api, use that to change the tokenizer state, and accept that there are probably some corner cases where everything will break
  152. # [13:18] <jgraham> So far the list of special cases seems to be "script", "style"
  153. # [13:19] <jgraham> In fact that is exactly the list of special cases
  154. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> those two tags can't contain markup
  155. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> so that's not actually broken
  156. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> that's correct
  157. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> there are others too
  158. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> <object>, <embed>
  159. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> et cetera
  160. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> anything that contains <!cdata[[
  161. # [13:20] <StoneCypher> or whatever it is
  162. # [13:22] <jgraham> StoneCypher: Right, script and style switching the tokenizer state is right. What's wrong is e.g. xmp *not* doing it
  163. # [13:22] <bga> oh somebody uses xml islands
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  165. # [13:23] <StoneCypher> bga: not since like 2004
  166. # [13:23] <StoneCypher> bga: i mean, back in the dark ages, sure
  167. # [13:23] <StoneCypher> jgraham: ah. (i don't actually know what xmp does_)
  168. # [13:24] <StoneCypher> jgraham: sorry if i misunderstood :)
  169. # [13:24] <bga> StoneCypher but https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_XML_Data_Islands_in_Mozilla
  170. # [13:31] <StoneCypher> wow.
  171. # [13:31] <StoneCypher> so xml islands are back-ish, as a legit standard now?
  172. # [13:32] <StoneCypher> eenteresting.
  173. # [13:32] <StoneCypher> i bet the microformats people adore this.
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  197. # [14:07] <jgraham> gsnedders, Taggnostr: Something like https://gist.github.com/1808356
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  200. # [14:07] <jgraham> Not production quality ofc, but more or less does the same as HTMLParser, but using the html5lib tokenizer
  201. # [14:15] <jgraham> (the hard part would be making the incremental feeding work)
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