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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 08 00:00:02 2012
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  4. # [00:04] <jgraham> Things that are confusing: opening the wrong email and wondering how the DRM thread turned into a discussion typed arrays
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  6. # [00:06] <gavin> I propose adding a new AESArray type
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  20. # [00:37] <Hixie> what should i call this path interface
  21. # [00:37] <Hixie> Path?
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  26. # [00:47] <othermaciej> if you are worried about collisions with other sense of Path, you could say CanvasPath, GraphicsPath, BezierPath...
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  28. # [00:48] <othermaciej> SVG apparently has SVGPathSegList for this purpose
  29. # [00:48] <othermaciej> though it is a rather awful interface
  30. # [00:49] <heycam> Hixie, I'd love it if SVG and Canvas could use the same path objects. othermaciej is right that the existing SVG DOM interfaces suck.
  31. # [00:50] <Hixie> SVG's is for the d="" attribute DOM, so it's not really anything relevant here
  32. # [00:50] <Hixie> and i don't think it would make much sense to reuse this for SVG
  33. # [00:50] <heycam> I might wait until you write up your proposal and then see how it can be integrated into SVG DOM improvements
  34. # [00:50] <Hixie> but yeah, maybe
  35. # [00:50] <heycam> Hixie, they're both representing paths though
  36. # [00:51] <Hixie> i'll call it Path for now, and then you can see what you think, and if it's not generic enough we can rename it
  37. # [00:51] <Hixie> i do intend to integrate a bit with svg with the d="" syntax and the matrix objects
  38. # [00:51] <Hixie> though that might be a bit painful for implementations
  39. # [00:51] <heycam> ok cool
  40. # [00:51] <othermaciej> SVGPathSegList seems more oriented towards inspecting something created from the d="" syntax than towards creating a path programmatically in a convenient way
  41. # [00:52] <Hixie> othermaciej: that's entirely it's purpose, yes
  42. # [00:52] <Hixie> its
  43. # [00:52] <heycam> yeah that's fair
  44. # [00:55] <othermaciej> it would be kind of nice to be able to programatically build a path and set it as an SVG "d" value
  45. # [00:55] <othermaciej> and I was going to say "in other places that SVG uses a path" but it seems those are done by linking to a path element
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  47. # [00:56] <othermaciej> no, I guess it is inconsistent
  48. # [00:56] <othermaciej> <glyph> has its own d attribute, but <textPath> links to a <path>
  49. # [00:58] <heycam> yeah, although I wonder if that choice was made because SVG Font attributes are not animatable, but if you link to a <path> element that's going to be animatable
  50. # [00:58] <heycam> anyway
  51. # [00:59] <Hixie> right now i'm not planning on making it possible to inspect a path
  52. # [00:59] <Hixie> but that's on the cards for next time
  53. # [00:59] <Hixie> once you can inspect a path, makes sense to have a way to export as d="" or even as a <path> element
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  90. # [02:39] * Seta00 wonders what would be a good way for <input> to support multiple files
  91. # [02:40] <Hixie> it already does, assuming you mean <input type=file> and assuming you mean in the spec
  92. # [02:40] <Hixie> <input type=file multiple>
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  95. # [02:42] <Seta00> Hixie, oh, nice. I was helping my mom, Flash was being silly when she was trying to upload some photos to Facebook, and the "classic" uploader uses multiple <input type=file> elems, which is awful
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  134. # [03:50] <Hixie> ok i give up
  135. # [03:50] <Hixie> how do i make an <input type=text> exactly fill a table-cell ?
  136. # [03:50] <Hixie> horizontally
  137. # [03:50] <Hixie> (vertically it should use whatever height it needs)
  138. # [03:52] <othermaciej> width: 100% doesn't work?
  139. # [03:53] <Hixie> width:100% seems to give it the width of the browsing context (?)
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  141. # [03:53] <Hixie> (on an unrelated note, firefox's 3d dom view is ludicrously gratuitous and i love it)
  142. # [03:54] * Hixie tries stuffing more nodes into the dom so there's a block between the table-cell and the input
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  147. # [03:57] <Hixie> nope, still no luck
  148. # [03:57] <Hixie> wtf
  149. # [03:57] <othermaciej> what are you using to size the table cell?
  150. # [03:57] <othermaciej> (I assume something explicit since otherwise it would shrink to fit the input and give you what you want anyway)
  151. # [03:58] <Hixie> the table cell is in a table that has a fixed width. the table has two columns, the other cells in the table have text, and i'm hoping for the two columns to magically size based on the content in the other cells
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  154. # [03:58] <Hixie> maybe i need to make the input width:auto and make it the cell itself
  155. # [03:59] <Hixie> nope
  156. # [03:59] <othermaciej> this seems to do what I expect:
  157. # [03:59] <othermaciej> <table width="100%" style="border: 1px solid black;">
  158. # [03:59] <othermaciej> <tr><td>boo</td><td style="border: 1px solid black;"><input style="width: 100%;"></td></tr>
  159. # [04:00] <Hixie> does it work if an earlier row has so much text in its second cell that it wraps to multiple lines?
  160. # [04:01] <Hixie> (table has a fixed width of some number of ems)
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  163. # [04:04] <Hixie> hmmm... i think i know what's going on
  164. # [04:04] <Hixie> my table is inside a div with overflow:auto so i didn't notice that my table actually is much wider than i want
  165. # [04:04] <Hixie> because of an earlier cell having unbreakable wide text
  166. # [04:05] <Hixie> is there a white-space value that forcibly cuts extra-wide text?
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  171. # [04:17] <othermaciej> word-break: emergency I think
  172. # [04:17] <othermaciej> but I don't believe that works in all browsers
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  174. # [04:23] <zewt> AryehGregor: re: CDNs: and if you don't want to use https for latency reasons, that's more reason to want verification with http+aes
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  176. # [04:26] <zewt> very bizarre that someone's actually claiming that Blob.close() isn't the same as neuter; that seems self-evident
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  178. # [04:31] <Hixie> othermaciej: didn't see to help in webkit
  179. # [04:34] <Hixie> word-break: break-word did it
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  238. # [08:42] <zcorpan> "This bug has over 130 bugs duplicated against it. What a number !!" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22274#c220 (almost standards mode quirk)
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  241. # [08:46] <zcorpan> "somewhat quirky mode" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153032#c7
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  244. # [08:59] <annevk> so if you call Blob.close() it would invoke XMLHttpRequest.abort() if passed to send()
  245. # [09:00] <annevk> that seems somewhat insane
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  250. # [09:04] <annevk> why is http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-geolocation-API-20100907/#position_options_interface not a dictionary?
  251. # [09:04] <annevk> is nobody reviewing those drafts?
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  253. # [09:05] <rniwa> annevk: sadly, very few people understand how WebIDL works
  254. # [09:06] <annevk> actually, it has NoInterfaceObject so it's not so bad, I guess they might not have updated their draft yet
  255. # [09:06] <annevk> rniwa: seems like it
  256. # [09:06] <MikeSmith> scott_gonzalez: please ping me when you're back -- wanted to ask if you'd been able to get validation working with nu.validator.servlet.VerifierCommandLine class (and if not I can help you get it working)
  257. # [09:06] <rniwa> annevk: I think what they meant was Dictionary
  258. # [09:06] <rniwa> but didn't know how to use it properly :)
  259. # [09:06] <rniwa> annevk: happens
  260. # [09:06] <zcorpan> or maybe it didn't exist when they wrote that
  261. # [09:06] <rniwa> even I didn't know WebIDL had dictionary 'til recently because nobody had used it
  262. # [09:08] <zcorpan> btw, you're reading an outdated TR/ draft :-P
  263. # [09:11] <zcorpan> ok i have no idea how to spec the almost standards quirk
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  265. # [09:14] <annevk> rniwa: yeah, the problem is that other people copy such patterns without knowing what is going on o_O
  266. # [09:14] <annevk> rniwa: witness public-web-notification
  267. # [09:14] <annevk> anyway, no damage done yet and feedback to geolocation sent
  268. # [09:14] <annevk> zcorpan: who said I was reading that draft? :)
  269. # [09:15] <zcorpan> annevk: well you complained that it didn't use a dictionary, so you must have read some of it :-P
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  271. # [09:16] <annevk> I read the editor's draft, then found a permanent pointer to the error
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  277. # [09:17] <annevk> not sure why I thought that was useful...
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  293. # [09:43] <zcorpan> http://simon.html5.org/specs/quirks-mode#the-line-height-calculation-quirk
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  295. # [09:45] <zcorpan> hmm that's not correct, i should probably say "non-collapsed whitespace" or some such
  296. # [09:47] <zcorpan> there
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  303. # [10:16] <zcorpan> so at one extreme, we have moz, where any border, padding or margin of an inline breaks out of the line height quirk. at the other end, we have opera and ie9, where none of border, padding or margin break out of the quirk. webkit makes border-left, border-right, padding-left and padding-right break out
  304. # [10:17] <zcorpan> i've specced webkit for now
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  318. # [10:51] <zcorpan> "What we do is act as if there was an empty inline element at
  319. # [10:51] <zcorpan> the start of every line box, which has a line-height the same as the block's.
  320. # [10:51] <zcorpan> This causes the line-height of the box to be the minimum height of each line
  321. # [10:51] <zcorpan> box in the block, as required by CSS2. In Quirks mode only, we need to avoid
  322. # [10:51] <zcorpan> generating that anonymous inline." (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24186 )
  323. # [10:51] <zcorpan> where does css require that?
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  325. # [11:03] <zcorpan> "If the inline box contains no glyphs at all, it is considered to contain a strut (an invisible glyph of zero width) with the A and D of the element's first available font." http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#leading ?
  326. # [11:05] <zcorpan> though that doesn't say that an anonymous inline should be present at the start of blocks
  327. # [11:07] <zcorpan> oh, not blocks, line boxes
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  332. # [11:29] <zcorpan> "Any text that is directly contained inside a block container element (not inside an inline element) must be treated as an anonymous inline element." http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#anonymous but that doesn't say to generate an anonymous inline element when there's no text and then an inline element
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  339. # [11:49] <zcorpan> aaaah. "On a block container element whose content is composed of inline-level elements, 'line-height' specifies the minimal height of line boxes within the element. "
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  343. # [11:57] <zcorpan> ok, another quirk specced. http://simon.html5.org/specs/quirks-mode#the-blocks-ignore-line-height-quirk
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  350. # [12:12] <zcorpan> hmm. wonder why i was redirected to the japanese version of mdn when trying to log in
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  414. # [14:40] <zcorpan> http://simon.html5.org/specs/quirks-mode#the-percentage-height-quirk probably has something wrong (moz aborts on body if i read the source correctly but http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1369 doesn't seem to match that)
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  416. # [14:48] <annevk> zcorpan: shouldn't http://simon.html5.org/specs/quirks-mode#html be in HTML?
  417. # [14:49] <zcorpan> yeah
  418. # [14:50] <zcorpan> i've filed a spec bug for <font>
  419. # [14:50] <zcorpan> the other quirk maybe we can drop
  420. # [14:50] <annevk> zcorpan: the steps in 3.1 seem to suggest that valid values such as "currentcolor" are ignored
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  422. # [14:51] <zcorpan> annevk: it's not ignored, it just gets the normal css treatment
  423. # [14:52] <annevk> "then a token in the property's value token must be interpreted using the following algorithm"
  424. # [14:52] <annevk> the algorithm does not state anything like that
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  426. # [14:54] <annevk> zcorpan: maybe you want to point out somewhere that ideally quirks are defined as part of where the features are defined, but that this specification is filling the gaps for now? and maybe point from there to e.g. the HTML parser quirk, document.compatMode, ...
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  432. # [14:59] <zcorpan> annevk: fixed 3.1 and 3.2
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  434. # [14:59] <zcorpan> annevk: i could point that out in an email to www-style
  435. # [15:00] <annevk> yeah maybe that's better
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  437. # [15:00] <annevk> I wish :any-link was implemented everywhere
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  440. # [15:14] <scott_gonzalez> MikeSmith: Jörn Zaefferer started working on it, but he said it had a lot of dependencies and the build was taking a really long time so he stopped.
  441. # [15:14] <scott_gonzalez> MikeSmith: We're looking for somethings mall that we can include in the jQuery UI repo and run as part of our build.
  442. # [15:14] <scott_gonzalez> *something small
  443. # [15:15] <MikeSmith> I see
  444. # [15:15] <MikeSmith> scott_gonzalez: I can probably put together a standalone Relax NG schema
  445. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> which in case you don't know what that is, it's like a DTD
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  447. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> you'd probably still need to use Java to do checking with that
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  449. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> but it would be just one dependency
  450. # [15:17] <scott_gonzalez> Java as a dependency should be fine. We used YUI Compressor for a long time.
  451. # [15:17] <MikeSmith> OK
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  453. # [15:18] <MikeSmith> the tradeoff is, it would not be able to do checking that's as complete as what validator.nu does
  454. # [15:18] <scott_gonzalez> What kinds of validations would be missing?
  455. # [15:18] <MikeSmith> an example is, validator.nu checks charset values against the IANA registry, to make sure they are registered values
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  457. # [15:18] <MikeSmith> and it does the same thing for encoding names
  458. # [15:18] <scott_gonzalez> Ok, well we only use utf-8 :-)
  459. # [15:19] <MikeSmith> ok
  460. # [15:20] <scott_gonzalez> That type of stuff should be fine. I mostly just want to make sure we don't have any misspelled tags/attributes, unclosed tags, etc.
  461. # [15:20] <MikeSmith> OK
  462. # [15:20] <annevk> should stop checking against the IANA registry
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  464. # [15:20] <annevk> and instead UTF-8, warn for anything else in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/encoding/raw-file/tip/Overview.html and otherwise scream
  465. # [15:21] <annevk> instead only accept utf-8*
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  467. # [15:21] <MikeSmith> yeah we could do that eventually
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  469. # [15:21] <MikeSmith> we didn't have anything like the Encoding spec before
  470. # [15:21] <MikeSmith> but right now we are just following what the HTML5 spec requires
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  472. # [15:22] <MikeSmith> if the HTML spec is changed to reference the Encoding spec, then we change the validator
  473. # [15:22] <MikeSmith> scott_gonzalez: so I think I can have something for you by next week
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  476. # [15:23] <scott_gonzalez> MikeSmith: That'd be fantastic.
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  479. # [15:24] <annevk> MikeSmith: yeah, still have to finish some boring/difficult algorithms :/
  480. # [15:25] <MikeSmith> yeah
  481. # [15:25] <MikeSmith> I talked to Richard about the Encoding spec btw
  482. # [15:26] <MikeSmith> I think he's worried it's too restrictive
  483. # [15:26] <annevk> well, that was the goal
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  486. # [15:31] <annevk> oh that is disappointing
  487. # [15:31] <annevk> the math in deviceorientation is external
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  489. # [15:34] <jgraham> External in what sense?
  490. # [15:35] <annevk> <object>
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  494. # [15:39] <annevk> grrr
  495. # [15:39] <annevk> W3C and their silly tons of groups each reinventing WebApps
  496. # [15:39] <annevk> and a couple of us who're not quite, but near to "oh well" cleaning up the mess
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  500. # [15:43] <zewt> that's why I cringed when I heard about these "community groups"; seems like nothing but more fragmentation
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  503. # [15:49] <annevk> pretty much the only thing I can still get upset over; people not doing the right thing because "oh my god; charter expires; cannot get to PR; cannot get to CR"
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  513. # [16:00] <hsivonen> "Thanks for clarifying that it is not browser innovation and competition that this is enabling.
  514. # [16:00] <hsivonen> "
  515. # [16:00] <hsivonen> foolip++
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  518. # [16:03] <zcorpan> ok i made something up, it's probably wrong. http://simon.html5.org/specs/quirks-mode#the-percentage-height-quirk
  519. # [16:03] <zcorpan> that's it for today folks
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  546. # [17:36] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
  547. # [17:36] <dglazkov> and hatwig!
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  561. # [18:05] <bga_> hm. let we build ui for japan. text from up to down
  562. # [18:05] <bga_> i can not imagine how it will look. vertical button, vertical tab items ...
  563. # [18:06] <bga_> any related images?
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  569. # [18:19] <Ms2ger> zcorpan++
  570. # [18:19] * Ms2ger is all for making things up in specs
  571. # [18:22] <bga_> http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/dynimg/IC93452.png
  572. # [18:23] <bga_> seem nobody want to support tradition writing system of japanise
  573. # [18:24] <bga_> but support arabic right to left is ok
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  575. # [18:31] <bga_> http://ompldr.org/vY3oyYg/japaniseWindow.png
  576. # [18:31] <bga_> some concept
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  581. # [18:41] <michel_v> is it widely requested?
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  585. # [18:43] <michel_v> somehow related: I wonder if boustrophedon is doable with some JS
  586. # [18:43] <michel_v> something that would dynamically make lines be ltr then rtl then ltr etc
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  588. # [18:51] <michel_v> bga_: actually, are there fonts for up to down writing?
  589. # [18:51] <michel_v> nevermind, there's those that are used in books
  590. # [18:56] <bga_> michel_v i dont know how it required by real world. But its possible
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  592. # [18:56] <bga_> http://ompldr.org/vY3oycA/japaniseSimpleDialog.png http://ompldr.org/vY3oybg/japaniseMessageBox.png
  593. # [18:57] <bga_> seems its enough to understand concept
  594. # [18:58] <karlcow> michel_v: http://la-grange.net/2007/07/23-japanese-typography
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  599. # [19:03] <karlcow> hmm interesting I had not noticed that Lion had vertical layout now in textEdit http://photos.appleinsider.com/LionTE2.png
  600. # [19:04] <bga_> im not alone :)
  601. # [19:06] <michel_v> oh, interesting
  602. # [19:06] <michel_v> karlcow: yeah, saw that in books before. not sure how well that translates in terms of readability on screen
  603. # [19:06] <niloy> transform: rotate(-90deg)
  604. # [19:06] <michel_v> which is a medium that you usually can not rotate (except for mobile devices)
  605. # [19:07] <michel_v> niloy: more to it than that. you'd have to also rotate the japanese characters back 90 degrees
  606. # [19:07] <niloy> ooh ya
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  609. # [19:10] <Hixie> foolip: oops, missed some e-mails.
  610. # [19:10] <Hixie> foolip: (re my latest e-mail to you)
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  616. # [19:18] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, yt?
  617. # [19:24] <Hixie> foolip: ok, now i've replied.
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  619. # [19:26] <Hixie> i'm amused by the http+aes-criticising people saying that they think it should be in a different spec, but not volunteering to edit one, given that when i first wrote it one of teh first things i said was that i was hoping someone would put it in another spec for me...
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  621. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> That still amuses you? :)
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  623. # [19:28] <Hixie> well it's like they think it's a big revelation that it should be in a different spec
  624. # [19:28] <Hixie> as if someone has ever argued otherwise
  625. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> But surely you want all the stuff in your spec! ;)
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  628. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I haven't heard anybody call it "Ian's spec" lately
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  631. # [19:33] <aklein> smaug____: yt? curious if you have any thoughts on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2012JanMar/0145.html
  632. # [19:35] <Ms2ger> He's on a call
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  642. # [19:57] <smaug____> aklein: meeting...
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  652. # [20:19] <smaug____> aklein: I'll reply to that later this week
  653. # [20:19] <aklein> smaug____: ok, thanks
  654. # [20:19] <smaug____> (once I've decided what I want the behavior to be :) )
  655. # [20:19] <aklein> :)
  656. # [20:19] * smaug____ will do now only mutationobservers for few days
  657. # [20:19] <smaug____> +reviews, and some more reviews
  658. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> \o/
  659. # [20:20] <aklein> smaug____: if it helps at all, the test cases I referred to are up on https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80549
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  662. # [20:25] <smaug____> Ms2ger: I also need to not read public-html to maintain the remainings of my mental health.
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  664. # [20:26] <Ms2ger> I never read public-html, and I'm still insane :)
  665. # [20:27] <smaug____> indeed. What would you become after reading public-html... scary
  666. # [20:29] <Ms2ger> :)
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  673. # [20:54] <Philip`> Should http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Cstyle%3Ediv%20%7B%20content%3A%20%22A%22%20%7D%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0D%0A%3Cdiv%3EB%3C%2Fdiv%3E result in "A" or "B"?
  674. # [20:55] <Philip`> (Recentish Opera says A, recentish Firefox says B)
  675. # [20:57] <Ms2ger> Depends
  676. # [20:58] <Ms2ger> css3-content (use to) say A
  677. # [20:58] <Ms2ger> (That spec still has "Ian Hickson, Opera Software")
  678. # [20:58] <Ms2ger> And still follows Opera
  679. # [21:01] <Philip`> Does something else say something else?
  680. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> Ah, it does have "This specification is not being actively maintained, and should not be used as a guide for implementations. It may be revived in the future, but for now should be considered obsolete."
  681. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> CSS21 only defined content for pseudos
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  683. # [21:08] <jgraham> Yeah, so apparently that feature causes us a few site compat issues
  684. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> Really? :(
  685. # [21:08] <jgraham> Well it seems like it's a small enough number that we could sitepatch or something
  686. # [21:10] * Philip` was curious since he found a site that it breaks
  687. # [21:10] <jgraham> But it's not really clear if the smart thing is to drop it and assume it will go away, or wait for someone to start maintaining the spec
  688. # [21:10] <jgraham> (and then for others to implement)
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  693. # [21:17] <jgraham> Philip`: Pointer?
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  696. # [21:24] <annevk> if we drop content:url() too, annevankesteren.nl breaks
  697. # [21:24] <annevk> not really sure that's acceptable
  698. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> Pff
  699. # [21:25] <Ms2ger> Who uses that
  700. # [21:25] <smaug____> add sitepatch for annevankesteren.nl
  701. # [21:25] * annevk raises hand
  702. # [21:29] <Philip`> jgraham: http://www.malideveloper.com/ (right sidebar)
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  708. # [21:37] <jgraham> Philip`: Oh, that site is annoying
  709. # [21:37] <jgraham> But thanks
  710. # [21:44] <Philip`> Annoying for more reasons than the autoplaying video?
  711. # [21:45] <jgraham> No, mainly for the autoplaying, autolooping, noisy video
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  741. # [23:11] <rniwa> jgraham, annevk: yt?
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  743. # [23:12] <rniwa> AryehGregor: yt?
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  751. # [23:32] <Hixie> new otherWindow.Path() -- should it be associated with window.document or otherWindow.document?
  752. # [23:32] <Hixie> what do we have in the way of precedent on this front?
  753. # [23:32] <jgraham> rniwa: kind of here
  754. # [23:33] <Hixie> new otherWindow.Image().ownerDocument.window == otherWindow
  755. # [23:33] <rniwa> jgraham: hi, can we all agree that we shouldn't do: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-regions/#dom-namedflow ?
  756. # [23:33] <Hixie> i guess i'll follow that pattern
  757. # [23:33] <rniwa> jgraham: css3 region spec is introducing a new dynamic node list that contains the list of all elements that belong to the same named flow
  758. # [23:33] <rniwa> which means that accessing elements in this node list would require style resolution :(
  759. # [23:34] <hober> there's a lot wrong with the regions om stuff
  760. # [23:34] <rniwa> hober: hi hober
  761. # [23:34] <rniwa> hober: can we ask www-style folks to fix that?
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  763. # [23:35] <jgraham> rniwa: yeah, that sounds daft
  764. # [23:35] <hober> rniwa: you could post a followup to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/1337.html
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  766. # [23:38] <jgraham> I'm not really clear why the draft is so obsessed with making everything live. I think that's just confusing
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  768. # [23:39] <jgraham> (as well as being bad for other reasons, particularly in the nodelist case)
  769. # [23:39] <astearns> jgraham: what do you mean by 'live'?
  770. # [23:40] <rniwa> hober: yeah... my email address has been kicked out of www-style for some mail deamon errors :(
  771. # [23:40] <rniwa> apparently my mail deamon was spamming theirs
  772. # [23:41] <rniwa> jgraham: I agree.
  773. # [23:42] <rniwa> jgraham: but then some people prefer it be live :)
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  775. # [23:43] <Hixie> a = new Path(); a.moveTo(100,100); a.lineTo(100,200); var b = new Path(); b.moveTo(200,100); b.lineTo(200,200); a.addFill(b); a.lineTo(300,100); a.lineTo(300,200); context.fill(a);
  776. # [23:44] <Hixie> er, make that last fill(a) be stroke(a);
  777. # [23:44] <Hixie> what should get painted?
  778. # [23:45] <Hixie> i think the answer is a vertical line next to a backwards N
  779. # [23:45] <Hixie> anyone disagree?
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