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  107. # [07:53] <Hixie> back, fwiw
  108. # [07:53] <Hixie> abarth: why so?
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  112. # [08:07] <abarth> Hixie: we're just reading about seamless and srcdoc
  113. # [08:07] <abarth> Hixie: reading how the two interact
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  162. # [12:39] <annevk> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcrypt/shortlog is somewhat confusing
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  175. # [12:57] <AryehGregor> So, exciting tip: if you're taking your computer from America, and it has a power supply that supports both 110V and 220V, make sure that before you hook it up to 220V, you check that you don't have to flip a switch or anything.
  176. # [12:58] <AryehGregor> Otherwise you might need to make an unexpected trip to the computer store.
  177. # [12:58] <AryehGregor> (Apparently, the Hebrew term for a power supply is ספק כח.)
  178. # [12:58] <j_wright> thanks edison
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  212. # [14:51] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641821#c59
  213. # [14:52] <annevk> didn't Gecko argue against that initially?
  214. # [14:52] <annevk> oh well
  215. # [14:52] <annevk> good to see people read the spec carefully when implementing...
  216. # [14:53] <Ms2ger> Gecko is a rendering engine, it can't argue against anything :)
  217. # [14:58] <annevk> you know what I mean
  218. # [14:59] <Ms2ger> You know Mozillians' comments are almost always in a personal capacity :)
  219. # [15:00] <annevk> it was either sicking or smaug so it doesn't matter much in this case
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  221. # [15:05] <Ms2ger> Speak of the devil
  222. # [15:06] * smaug____ is not a devil, just a friendly dragon
  223. # [15:07] <smaug____> annevk: argue agains what?
  224. # [15:07] <smaug____> against
  225. # [15:08] * smaug____ needs to still file bugs found in the spec during the week
  226. # [15:08] <annevk> having two records for a replace operation
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  228. # [15:09] <smaug____> annevk: in some cases there sure are many records
  229. # [15:09] <smaug____> there is the record removing the new node from its old parent
  230. # [15:10] <smaug____> then record adding to the new parent
  231. # [15:10] <smaug____> the latter can be combined with removing the old node
  232. # [15:10] <smaug____> I need to still check what latest webkit does
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  239. # [15:18] <annevk> I was referring to the comment in that bug...
  240. # [15:18] <annevk> it was not about adopting
  241. # [15:18] <annevk> you'll always need a separate record for that
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  259. # [16:57] <AryehGregor> When is .isTrusted supposed to be true?
  260. # [16:57] * AryehGregor wonders if input events from execCommand() should have it true or false
  261. # [16:57] <annevk> false
  262. # [16:57] <AryehGregor> Okay, why?
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  264. # [16:58] <AryehGregor> Should it be true if the execCommand() is triggered by a user action (e.g., hitting a key triggers document.execCommand("insertText"))?
  265. # [17:00] <annevk> hmm, I guess input is some kind of corner case
  266. # [17:00] <annevk> isTrusted is true when the spec says to dispatch the event
  267. # [17:00] <annevk> e.g. readystatechange on XMLHttpRequest will have it set to true
  268. # [17:01] <AryehGregor> The spec for execCommand() says to dispatch the command.
  269. # [17:01] <AryehGregor> The author can invoke execCommand(), of course.
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  271. # [17:01] <zewt> annevk: seems like it should be true in this case, if the event object is constructed by execCommand and can't be arbitrarily manipulated
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  273. # [17:01] <zewt> that is, it's always seemed to me that !isTrusted means "this object was constructed by hand"
  274. # [17:02] <zewt> or something like that
  275. # [17:02] <annevk> yeah, something like that
  276. # [17:02] <annevk> :)
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  278. # [17:02] <annevk> not sure it's actually needed
  279. # [17:03] <zewt> hmm
  280. # [17:03] <zewt> form.click() results in !isTrusted
  281. # [17:03] <zewt> (in FF)
  282. # [17:04] <zewt> which seems odd
  283. # [17:04] <zewt> at least to how i've intuitively viewed isTrusted
  284. # [17:04] <zewt> (personally I've never found isTrusted to be terribly useful, anyway...)
  285. # [17:05] <annevk> so in Gecko it might be user-initiated; something to do with their XBL impl
  286. # [17:05] <zewt> (when are you ever not required to trust other scripts on the page, anyway?)
  287. # [17:06] <annevk> XBL
  288. # [17:06] <zewt> xbl isn't relevant to web pages...
  289. # [17:06] <annevk> I'm not saying having isTrusted makes sense
  290. # [17:07] <zewt> weird, didn't know webkit (or at least chrome) doesn't have form.click (or maybe I did and I forgot, since I've been over this territory before)
  291. # [17:07] <annevk> maybe file a bug on DOM 3 Events?
  292. # [17:07] <annevk> I just specced isTrusted because it was there...
  293. # [17:07] <zewt> i'm sure it won't be removed so I won't waste my time
  294. # [17:07] <annevk> the new editor is far more reasonable
  295. # [17:07] <zewt> not important enough (to me) to spend time arguing for that anyway (if anyone else wants to, go for it)
  296. # [17:07] <annevk> and we could at least learn what it's for
  297. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> 3249 // Click() is never called from native code, but it may be
  298. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> 3250 // called from chrome JS. Mark this event trusted if Click()
  299. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> 3251 // is called from chrome code.
  300. # [17:07] <annevk> yeah I might
  301. # [17:10] <zewt> if it doesn't do anything meaningful, it could also just always be true, which would be less likely to break pages (still not guaranteed, though) and simplify things
  302. # [17:10] <annevk> hmm
  303. # [17:10] <annevk> is it even supported in every browser?
  304. # [17:10] <zewt> someone might still be using it for other unintended purposes, like "did I initiate the event or did the user"
  305. # [17:10] <zewt> (which you can always do by tacking a property on the event when you create it, of course)
  306. # [17:11] <zewt> seems to not be there in chrome
  307. # [17:12] <zewt> don't have ie9 handy
  308. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> If it's in D3E, IE probably has it
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  335. # [19:28] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, nicely done
  336. # [19:30] <annevk> that does look pretty
  337. # [19:37] <kennyluck> oh my goodness.
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  340. # [20:07] <gsnedders> "Design"
  341. # [20:07] <gsnedders> "W3C"
  342. # [20:07] <gsnedders> I think my brain just imploded.
  343. # [20:08] <gsnedders> Just wow. It's really quite well done.
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