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  32. # [03:38] <dbaron> fyi (re http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Apr/0033.html ) -- I'm probably not planning to write up an objection to the Media TF (in case someone else wants to)
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  69. # [09:06] <annevk> man, these JavaScript conference peeps sure have a sense for drama
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  72. # [09:13] <othermaciej> ?
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  90. # [10:17] <annevk> hmm, gbk seems more or less similar
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  96. # [10:37] <annevk> so the main difference between browsers seems to be the amount of PUA
  97. # [10:38] <annevk> and then there's some subtle differences between the two-byte mapping in gbk and gb18030 in Chrome/Gecko
  98. # [10:38] <annevk> but in Opera they are identical
  99. # [10:48] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Apr/0030.html
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  110. # [12:02] <annevk> ok that's specced
  111. # [12:02] <annevk> now four byte sequences...
  112. # [12:02] <annevk> ugh
  113. # [12:15] <smaug____> annevk must be some sort of masochist ;)
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  115. # [12:19] <annevk> smaug____: slow weekend :)
  116. # [12:21] <smaug____> hmm, I guess you don't really have Easter in Holland
  117. # [12:22] <annevk> we do
  118. # [12:22] <smaug____> at least the time I was in Amsterdam during Easter, it was hardly see anything special
  119. # [12:22] <annevk> yeah, you might eat an extra egg or so, or find chocolate eggs if you're a kid
  120. # [12:23] <smaug____> comparing to Finland where the country is closed from mid-Thursday to the end of Monday
  121. # [12:24] <annevk> the gym is closed today, I think the supermarket is open, but I haven't checked
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  128. # [13:17] <kennyluck> muh, "Please ensure that your comment is descriptive enough that the editor can understand it."
  129. # [13:18] <kennyluck> What is the algorithm used behind?
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  153. # [15:29] <kennyluck> (text.length <= 5) || (text.indexOf(' ') == text.lastIndexOf(' ')) huh
  154. # [15:29] <kennyluck> I was going to send "(editorial) s/pseudo-elements/pseudo-classes/". I guess I'll just add " " at the end.
  155. # [15:30] <kennyluck> This conditional looks useless though. All the junk I see on public-html-bugzlla pass this.
  156. # [15:30] <kennyluck> s
  157. # [15:30] <kennyluck> a
  158. # [15:30] <kennyluck> y,
  159. # [15:30] <kennyluck>
  160. # [15:31] <kennyluck> say, "please help me"
  161. # [15:35] <Philip`> kennyluck: Surely the reason the junk you see on public-html-bugzilla passes that conditional, is that junk that doesn't pass the conditional doesn't get posted to public-html-bugzilla
  162. # [15:36] <kennyluck> Philip`, oh. So this is not something new?
  163. # [15:37] <kennyluck> Hmm.. makes sense.
  164. # [15:37] <Philip`> I think the junk filter has been there quite a while
  165. # [15:38] <kennyluck> Hmm… I guess I am just too unlucky for this case :(
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  167. # [15:43] <kennyluck> Typo reports would fail this not surprisingly though. I see "s/ECMAScript/JavaScipt/" filed for the HTML5diff document, for example.
  168. # [15:43] <zewt> heh, nothing's annoying quite like "fiddle with your message to satisfy the arbitrary filters" filters
  169. # [15:44] <zewt> like stackoverflow that refuses to post a comment if it's less than like 15 characters, so I ended up adding junk to comment responses like "yep"
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  177. # [16:25] <jarek> Hi
  178. # [16:25] <jarek> is the usage of custom namespace inside SVG documents considered to be a bad practice?
  179. # [16:26] <jarek> the current trend at W3C is to HTMLize the SVG syntax, is that correct?
  180. # [16:27] <annevk> dunno about W3C
  181. # [16:27] <jarek> if I'm developing SVG editor and I would like to identify some groups as layers, should I be doing it via custom XML namespace (like Inkscape) or should I be using element.dataset?
  182. # [16:28] <annevk> dataset is only for things pertaining to the document itself
  183. # [16:28] <annevk> e.g. a script library or some such
  184. # [16:28] <annevk> it's not supposed to have meaning outside the document
  185. # [16:30] <jarek> annevk: so something like <g data-layer-id="circles"></g> would not be semantic?
  186. # [16:30] <jarek> it feels cleaner than XML namespace, especially if SVG document is going to be embedded directly in HTML5
  187. # [16:31] <jarek> btw, are there any plans to standardize SVG layers?
  188. # [16:31] <jarek> those can be easily emulated with groups, but each SVG editor uses different naming scheme
  189. # [16:32] <annevk> XML namespaces don't work in HTML
  190. # [16:33] <jarek> annevk: really? I think that answers me question
  191. # [16:33] <jarek> s/me/my
  192. # [16:34] <jarek> I can't use XML namespace if my editor will be implemented on top of HTML5
  193. # [16:38] <jgraham> jarek: That sounds like a reasonable usecase for data- to me
  194. # [16:39] <jgraham> since the data is not intended to be consumed by arbitary third party tools
  195. # [16:39] <zewt> jgraham: but it seems like tools shouldn't be generating data into data-, since if you use another tool on the same document that also uses data-, you're in the same namespace
  196. # [16:39] <zewt> at least, that seems to be the theory
  197. # [16:40] <jgraham> Although I would use a name like data-mysvgedit-layer="circles" where 'mysvgedit' is something reasobaly unique to your tool
  198. # [16:40] <zewt> (easily worked around--add your own namespace on top, eg. data-product-whatever)
  199. # [16:40] <jgraham> zewt: We seem to eb agreeing :)
  200. # [16:40] <jgraham> *be
  201. # [16:40] <zewt> (but of course that also defeats the purpose of data-, which I've never bothered to use myself)
  202. # [16:41] <jgraham> I don't think it defeats the purpose of data- really
  203. # [16:41] <zewt> well, rather than defeats the purpose, it makes it unnecessary
  204. # [16:41] <zewt> as a namespacing tool, I mean
  205. # [16:42] <zewt> (if whatever the helper accessor is is supported, that's still useful, but not necessary)
  206. # [16:42] <jgraham> Well it allows for easy machine checking of validity compared to just mysvgedit-layers
  207. # [16:42] <jarek> is there something like iframe's sandbox attribute, but for SVG?
  208. # [16:42] <jgraham> And makes it even less likely that there will be collisions in the future
  209. # [16:42] <jarek> when you allow users to upload SVG images, you do not want them to inject any scripts
  210. # [16:43] <jarek> it looks like the only workaround at the moment is to either sanitize the SVG file or put it inside iframe
  211. # [16:43] <zewt> jgraham: if you're using a reasonable prefix, i think the chances of that are already small enough to not be worth uglifying things with a second prefix
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  213. # [16:47] <jarek> CSS namespaces are pretty much dead
  214. # [16:47] <jarek> XHTML is almost dead as well
  215. # [16:48] <jarek> I guess it's safe to assume that SVG namespaces have no future
  216. # [16:50] <jarek> would would be really cool is if vendors could agree on some common CSS and SVG prefixes
  217. # [16:50] <jarek> s/would would/what would
  218. # [16:52] <Philip`> I thought data-* was currently only permitted on HTML elements, not on SVG elements
  219. # [16:52] <jgraham> Oh, that is probably true
  220. # [16:52] <jgraham> Silly artificial boundaries in the platform
  221. # [16:53] <jarek> Philip`: it's defined on Element.prototype
  222. # [16:53] <jarek> Philip`: if I recall correctly datasets on SVG were standardized recently
  223. # [16:54] <jarek> but they are already supported by Chrome
  224. # [16:54] <Philip`> I mean "permits" in a document conformance sense
  225. # [16:55] <Philip`> in which case the IDL is irrelevant
  226. # [16:55] <Philip`> and http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/elements.html#embedding-custom-non-visible-data-with-the-data-*-attributes only states that it's allowed on HTML-namespace elements
  227. # [16:56] <jarek> then the spec needs to change
  228. # [16:56] <Philip`> That's quite probable
  229. # [16:56] <jarek> I see no reason why dataset should not be allowed on SVG elements
  230. # [16:57] <Philip`> Because of silly artificial boundaries in the platform
  231. # [16:58] <Philip`> I think adding custom data to SVG elements was one of the use cases considered when adding data-*, and the conclusion was "data-* would solve this problem but it's the SVG WG's responsibility to allow those attributes on their elements"
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  233. # [16:59] <Philip`> I have no idea if the SVG WG has considered that (or even been told about it)
  234. # [17:03] <jarek> you mean SVG WG does not even follow HTML5 standarization? :P
  235. # [17:03] <jarek> someone should also tell them about element.classList
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  238. # [17:16] <jarek> SVG attributes are written either in camelCase, lower-case-with-dashes or lowercasewithoutdashes
  239. # [17:16] <jarek> no cool
  240. # [17:16] <jarek> s/no/not
  241. # [17:20] <jgraham> Well IDL stuff is pretty easy to make work everywhere, just put it on Element
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  296. # [23:05] <jarek> Hello
  297. # [23:05] <jarek> are there any plans for having 3d transforms on SVG elements?
  298. # [23:06] <jarek> there is already syntax for that in CSS3
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  300. # [23:10] <jarek> 3d transforms can't be described with 3x3 matrixes, right?
  301. # [23:30] <gsnedders> Anyone able to recommend any hotel in Madrid?
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  303. # [23:39] <jarek> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG-Transforms/#threed-translate-definition
  304. # [23:39] <jarek> ^ that's interesting, is it implemented anywhere?
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  306. # [23:53] <remysharp> not sure if I dreamt this, but isn't there a new method for executing on next event loop/tick - like setTimeout(foo, 10)?
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  309. # [23:55] <remysharp> setImmediate - I didn't dream javascript - phew!
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