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  1. # Session Start: Sat May 26 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <jamesr_> it gets messy quickly
  4. # [00:00] <jamesr_> and someone always goes "can i just pass a function?" then you have to explain how it picks up the global context and the thread implications, then someone wants a JS isolate, then you're in a world of hurt
  5. # [00:01] <zewt> well, mongo's query language is static
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  7. # [00:01] <zewt> the above can be optimized (and even if it's not, it's a lot faster to convert it to a native object and just test them all, since you don't have to fire off JS)
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  9. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> Yes, take some object with values. Eagerly parse them to dispose of getters. Done.
  10. # [00:02] <zewt> (idl dictionary)
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  19. # [00:25] <Hixie> TabAtkins: my utf-8 validating code isn't vorking
  20. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Interesting. Should be trivial!
  21. # [00:26] <Hixie> specifically, it thinks 0xED 0x9F 0xBF is invalid, because it decodes it to a bogus value
  22. # [00:27] <Hixie> my code for decoding sequences starting with 0xED is equivalent to 0xD000 + ((c1-0x80) << 6) + (c2-0x80)
  23. # [00:27] <Hixie> am i missing something?
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  25. # [00:28] <TabAtkins> Assuming that c1 and c2 are guaranteed to be in [00,ff], and you're already making sure that the second bit in each is 0, that should be fine.
  26. # [00:29] <TabAtkins> Better would be to & each with 0x00111111.
  27. # [00:29] <Hixie> each one is known to be in the range 0x80 .. 0xBF
  28. # [00:29] <TabAtkins> Just to be safe, try swapping your "-0x80" with "&63".
  29. # [00:33] <Hixie> that (thankfully) made no difference
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  31. # [00:33] <TabAtkins> Okay, good. Just sanity-checking.
  32. # [00:33] <TabAtkins> What's the bogus value it's decoding to?
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  34. # [00:34] <Hixie> 0xDB5F
  35. # [00:34] <Hixie> oh i see the problem
  36. # [00:35] <Hixie> off by one error
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  38. # [00:35] <Hixie> don't mind me
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  40. # [00:35] <TabAtkins> uh, okay.
  41. # [00:35] <Hixie> c2 contained c1 and c1 contained c0
  42. # [00:36] <Hixie> the leading byte
  43. # [00:36] <Hixie> that resulted in disturbingly few of my tests failing
  44. # [00:36] <Hixie> but that's another story
  45. # [00:37] <Hixie> ok, bbiab
  46. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> Oh, duh, I should have noticed that as soon as I looked at it.
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  48. # [00:43] <rniwa> hsivonen: yt?
  49. # [00:44] <rniwa> Hixie: do you know how well tested the part it says to throw SYNAX_ERR in http://html5.org/specs/dom-parsing.html#extensions-to-the-range-interface ?
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  51. # [00:44] <rniwa> when the element name is html, body, etc...?
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  57. # [01:03] <rafaelw_> Hixie; Where are you WRT Document.parse()?
  58. # [01:04] <rafaelw_> I'd really like to get this in. I'm wondering if you still have strong objections or not.
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  60. # [01:09] <espadrine> Firefox cannot redefine Element.prototype.scrollIntoView, while webkit can. Firefox's wrong, right?
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  68. # [01:31] <jwalden> espadrine: wrong assuming you consider webidl authoritative now, yes
  69. # [01:31] <jwalden> espadrine: DOM bindings are being rewritten now and should end up fixing that
  70. # [01:32] <espadrine> jwalden: oh ok, thanks!
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  166. # [09:01] <tantek> who has admin access to the wiki?
  167. # [09:01] <tantek> e.g. to install extensions
  168. # [09:02] <tantek> perhaps annevk?
  169. # [09:02] <tantek> would be great to get the SemanticHTML extension installed
  170. # [09:02] <tantek> https://github.com/microformats/mediawiki-semantic-html
  171. # [09:03] <annevk> I don't think I can ssh into the wiki
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  173. # [09:03] <tantek> it allows use of more semantic HTML markup tags on MediaWIki pages, useful for new tags in particular like <time> and <data>
  174. # [09:03] <tantek> ah ok
  175. # [09:03] <tantek> we're running it live on the microformats wiki if anyone wants to experiment
  176. # [09:04] <tantek> annevk, ok, np. I'll wait til Hixie is official back from vacation and ask him (though I'm sure he's going to be overrun by a lot of pent-up requests).
  177. # [09:05] <tantek> *officially
  178. # [09:05] <annevk> Lachy might have access too
  179. # [09:05] <annevk> but waiting for Hixie works
  180. # [09:05] <tantek> not in a rush so that's fine
  181. # [09:06] <tantek> just a nice convenient incremental upgrade
  182. # [09:06] <tantek> plus, hey, more HTML5 :)
  183. # [09:06] <tantek> is there an implementations or tools page somewhere where we keep track of HTML5 implementations / tools?
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  185. # [09:07] <annevk> yeah
  186. # [09:07] <tantek> (I figured I would ask before creating one)
  187. # [09:07] <annevk> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Category:Implementations
  188. # [09:07] <tantek> ok - so any page tagged with that category
  189. # [09:07] <annevk> all major things are listed from the front page
  190. # [09:07] <tantek> or would it be better to make a publishing page
  191. # [09:08] <tantek> for HTML5 publishing tools
  192. # [09:08] <annevk> at some point I turned a few into categories to make it easier to group stuff
  193. # [09:08] <tantek> whatever grouping/organization is your preference
  194. # [09:08] <annevk> I don't think we have quite enough implementation pages to start separating them further
  195. # [09:09] <tantek> ok
  196. # [09:11] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor probably also has access
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  206. # [10:22] <Stevef> tantek: a heads up, I mentioned <hgroup> to you at TPAC last year, seems like the HTML WG chairs will soon provide some feedback on Issue 164 http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-164 if you have any interest in keeping hgroup in HTML5 you may want to keep an eye on this issue. there are 5 proposals 4 of which proposae replacing hgroup. As there has been no real data or...
  207. # [10:22] <Stevef> ...argument from the WHATWG side on keeping hgroup I would be surprised if it survives.
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  210. # [10:34] <Stevef> hober: ping re: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0008.html
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  241. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> Velmont, http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webapps/rev/ec3740e46700#l8.1 doesn't look like it should have been there
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  293. # [16:14] <Velmont> Ms2ger: wtf! grrrrrr.... i am not happy with hg
  294. # [16:15] <Velmont> sorry about that
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  296. # [16:17] <gsnedders> Velmont: Deep breaths.
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  305. # [17:06] <Ms2ger> Velmont, (reverted it, btw)
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  311. # [17:31] <Velmont> Ms2ger: thanks. yea I am always surprised by hg behaviour. have to be more careful
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  329. # [18:27] <GPHemsley> If there is a runaway <a> element that is inside a block element like <p> or <div>, shouldn't the closing of that element close the <a>?
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  343. # [19:29] <gsnedders> Hate __proto__. Hate it.
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  346. # [19:34] <Ms2ger> Who does e4x again.
  347. # [19:34] <Ms2ger> ?
  348. # [19:35] <gsnedders> SpiderMonkey.
  349. # [19:36] <Ms2ger> How silly of us
  350. # [19:37] <gsnedders> Non-strict only, IIRC
  351. # [19:37] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: You and all your ES extensions!
  352. # [19:37] <Ms2ger> Possible
  353. # [19:37] <Ms2ger> Pff
  354. # [19:37] <Ms2ger> I prefer to think of ES as a JS extension ;)
  355. # [19:38] <gsnedders> ES is a subset of JS :P
  356. # [19:38] <Ms2ger> After all, Ope^W Mozilla did it first
  357. # [19:38] <gsnedders> Operabook^W ? :)
  358. # [19:47] <gsnedders> Why am I writing emails to es-discuss on a Saturday?
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  361. # [19:55] <Ms2ger> You've got exams coming up?
  362. # [19:56] <gsnedders> Nah, just going out soon. And it's the weekend, a break is nice at times.
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  405. # [22:22] <cbright6062> hm.
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