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  14. # [00:38] <paul_irish> jgraham: digging into testharness.js a lot to look at the assertion signatures. what do you think about externalizing the docs? i was going to port the docs to a format like this http://documentup.com/ .. if it sounds good to you
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  22. # [01:22] <paul_irish> jgraham: http://documentup.com/paulirish/testharness.js more or less
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  26. # [01:33] <annevk> Lachy: yeah you know, that's what RFCs are like :)
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  28. # [01:34] <annevk> Lachy: most of them anyway, so if you're looking for even more work ;)
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  31. # [01:43] <Hixie> Lachy: yeah
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  103. # [10:33] <kennyluck> Lachy, for bug-ish Selectors API feedback, would you prefer mailing list or bugzilla?
  104. # [10:34] <Lachy> if it's very minor, I can fix it now. If it requires more thought, then mail.
  105. # [10:37] <Lachy> kennyluck, ^
  106. # [10:39] <kennyluck> Lachy, I'll send a mail then.
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  111. # [11:11] <matjas> paul_irish: +9001 on externalizing the testharness.js docs
  112. # [11:11] <matjas> a separate website isn’t really needed, you could just use GitHub Flavored Markdown™ and something like docdown (https://github.com/jdalton/docdown) to auto-generate it from the .js source (e.g. https://github.com/bestiejs/punycode.js/tree/master/docs#readme)
  113. # [11:12] <matjas> so, have you guys seen this Local File Writing API proposal? https://github.com/devongovett/standards/issues/3
  114. # [11:12] <Ms2ger> What, another copy of the documentation?
  115. # [11:12] <Ms2ger> I can't see how those would ever go out of sync
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  137. # [11:59] <jgraham> paul_irish: I think that's rather beautiful. What markup format is it using? Can we use that inline and then automatically update the external docs from the inline docs?
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  157. # [13:26] <jgraham> paul_irish: In general, I think it would be a good idea to make a modern-looking site to cover the W3C testing effort, with documentation from the various frameworks, instructions, stc. I think having all the information split across various wikis and repositories makes it very unapproachable and academic
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  170. # [13:52] <matjas> Ms2ger, jgraham: that’s exactly how docdown works… it automatically generates it from the source as long as you use JSDoc-style comments
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  172. # [13:53] <Ms2ger> Can we remove the copy in the readme, then?
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  175. # [13:54] <matjas> Ms2ger: you could simply replace README.md with docdown’s output
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  177. # [13:56] <matjas> php -f parse.php README
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  181. # [14:00] <Ms2ger> Do you have something in python? :)
  182. # [14:01] <matjas> http://jonathan.tang.name/code/pyjsdoc
  183. # [14:02] <matjas> (haven’t used it)
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  194. # [15:15] <fflorent> AryehGregor: one thing I did not understand with <a onlyreplace>. The @href attribute targets a full HTML document (with <HTML><HEAD>...) or a partial document ?
  195. # [15:15] <AryehGregor> fflorent, the idea was that it targets a full HTML document.
  196. # [15:16] <AryehGregor> Note that the idea has been abandoned, though.
  197. # [15:16] <fflorent> hmm, ok
  198. # [15:16] <fflorent> and why not a partial HTML document ?
  199. # [15:16] <AryehGregor> That wouldn't fall back gracefully in browsers that didn't support onlyreplace.
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  202. # [15:21] <fflorent> AryehGregor: ah, ok. We could imagine a fallback that uses javascript. But I don't know what is the proportion of people having it disabled...
  203. # [15:21] <AryehGregor> fflorent, the whole point of onlyreplace is that fallback was supposed to be automatic and transparent.
  204. # [15:22] <AryehGregor> Also, the idea was that the URL bar would change like regular, so if the user hit refresh or bookmarked/restored, they would get the page you linked to without onlyreplace.
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  206. # [15:23] <AryehGregor> If you did <a href="foo.html" onlyreplace> and the user clicked the link in an onlyreplace-supporting browser, if the page wasn't a full document, it would work fine at first. But then if they refreshed, it would just load foo.html from scratch and that would break.
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  209. # [15:24] <fflorent> AryehGregor: oh, yes. I thought about a mechanism that would update the URL using hash bangs instead, or query parameters
  210. # [15:24] <AryehGregor> That defeats the intended goal of onlyreplace.
  211. # [15:25] <fflorent> to be transparent, yes I see know ...
  212. # [15:25] <fflorent> now*
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  259. # [19:26] <zewt> it's a bit depressing that even firefox has the broken "link to download goes to html that redirects to the actual download" crap
  260. # [19:26] <zewt> (the download site, I mean)
  261. # [19:26] <zewt> if I copy-link/wget one more time and end up with an index.html ...
  262. # [19:31] <zewt> heh ff13 still hard crashes if i open a webgl context with a 10000x10000 canvas
  263. # [19:34] <zewt> agh this is why I put off update firefox, they always break stupid things
  264. # [19:34] <zewt> now pages in my session aren't loading at all until i focus them, and i have to track down how to fix that
  265. # [19:36] <zewt> guessing browser.sessionstore.restore_on_demand
  266. # [19:36] <Ms2ger> That's a feature
  267. # [19:37] <zewt> a misfeature, you mean
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  270. # [19:40] <zewt> agh
  271. # [19:40] <paul_irish> Ms2ger: sir.
  272. # [19:41] <zewt> and it's smooth scrolling on the mousewheel now, even though i have that turned off system-wide
  273. # [19:41] <Ms2ger> Aha!
  274. # [19:41] * zewt *more about:config searching*
  275. # [19:41] * Ms2ger tries to remember which test he was going to complain about
  276. # [19:41] <zewt> guess i should look at the changelogs to see what features I'm getting for having to fix these things
  277. # [19:42] <paul_irish> Ms2ger: probably the fontfacerule-constructors one?
  278. # [19:42] <Ms2ger> No, I approved that one
  279. # [19:42] <Ms2ger> The comment in cssom-fontfacerule, I think
  280. # [19:43] <paul_irish> mmmhm
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  284. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> Also, yay tests!
  285. # [19:44] <paul_irish> \o/
  286. # [19:45] * Ms2ger keeps his comments about their quality to himself
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  288. # [19:47] <paul_irish> :) Yeah I'd like to take a more focused approach on part of that spec
  289. # [19:48] <paul_irish> Was also talking to smfr, rniwa and others about upstreaming LayoutTests. Going to write up some documentation on how that can work
  290. # [19:49] <kennyluck> Is testing the Web forward happening right now or something?
  291. # [19:49] <paul_irish> just finished up yesterday. it was friday night and all saturday
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  293. # [19:51] <kennyluck> paul_irish, oh ok. Thanks. Is there public video or something (so that I can share with other people)?
  294. # [19:53] <paul_irish> there was a livestream of the friday night talks but i dont think anything recorded... i'll ask divya to get http://testthewebforward.org/ updated with speaker decks
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  296. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> paul_irish, so what do you think about doing one in Europe focused more on the DOM?
  297. # [20:14] <paul_irish> ++
  298. # [20:14] <paul_irish> That would be awesome. I think Adobe would enjoy putting that on
  299. # [20:15] <paul_irish> I'll bring it up
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  303. # [20:34] <jgraham> Yeah, that is totally something that we should organise
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  308. # [20:43] <kennyluck> Ms2ger, yay, I just made another CSSOM bug into a mentored bug → https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765599
  309. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> \o/
  310. # [20:46] <kennyluck> paul_irish++, for the (promised) livestream :p
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