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  51. # [12:21] <MikeSmith> no annevk :(
  52. # [12:21] * MikeSmith was wondering if anne still wants to try to publish LCWD of the Notifications spec this week or not
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  57. # [12:30] <smaug____> uh, I need to remind dougt to send his comments about Notifications
  58. # [12:31] <smaug____> apparently NotificationDirection isn't really implementable on all OSes
  59. # [12:34] <MikeSmith> hmm
  60. # [12:34] <MikeSmith> I guess we're not going to LC yet, then
  61. # [12:34] <MikeSmith> which means we probably won't for a couple months yet
  62. # [12:34] <MikeSmith> seeing as anne will be away for a few weeks
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  106. # [14:27] <matjas> <script src=>alert('wat')</script> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=1616 — IE and Opera alert, other browsers don’t
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  109. # [14:38] <jgraham> Other browsers are correct. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#prepare-a-script step 14
  110. # [14:39] <AryehGregor> Beat me by 20 seconds. :(
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  114. # [14:51] <annevk> MikeSmith: I have time to fix minor things
  115. # [14:51] <annevk> MikeSmith: and I plan to work a bit in my free time
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  118. # [14:53] <annevk> smaug____: MikeSmith: though I think we should keep NotificationDirection in, even though not implementable everywhere
  119. # [14:53] <smaug____> I don't know the details...
  120. # [14:53] <annevk> smaug____: MikeSmith: we should maybe add some language to the conformance that if there's platform limitations there's going to be some issues
  121. # [14:54] <smaug____> but I was told that for example on Android if the UI is ltr, there isn't any way to show rtl notifications
  122. # [14:54] <annevk> smaug____: right, I think that's a bug we should file on Android then and note that implementations cannot do everything correctly
  123. # [14:54] <annevk> smaug____: although as a workaround you could probably insert the appropriate Unicode override characters
  124. # [14:55] <annevk> smaug____: if he could email those comments today that would be great
  125. # [14:55] <smaug____> ok, I'll ask him
  126. # [14:55] <smaug____> (he is traveling somewhere in Europe )
  127. # [14:55] <annevk> smaug____: I can then probably fix them tomorrow and we can still publish as planned "without" issues
  128. # [14:55] <annevk> ah okay
  129. # [14:55] <annevk> oh well, if it doesn't work out we'll be delayed a bit
  130. # [14:55] <annevk> no big deal
  131. # [14:56] <AryehGregor> WTF: The website at aryeh.name has been reported as a “phishing” site. Phishing sites trick users into disclosing personal or financial information, often by pretending to represent trusted institutions, such as banks.
  132. # [14:56] <AryehGregor> ?!
  133. # [14:56] <annevk> although I don't want to keep changing it around since I want Apple to implement this and not keep prefix bullshit around forever
  134. # [14:56] <annevk> AryehGregor: hacked?
  135. # [14:57] <AryehGregor> Maybe . . .\
  136. # [14:57] * AryehGregor looks
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  138. # [15:00] <jgraham> AryehGregor: I don't see a warning? Als, is firefox nightly totally broken?
  139. # [15:01] <AryehGregor> jgraham, I see it in Chrome dev.
  140. # [15:01] <AryehGregor> Firefox nightly shouldn't be totally broken, but I dunno, I compile my own builds.
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  142. # [15:02] <jgraham> Hmm, restarting it seemed to help. The chrome was totally broken; clicking links didn't work and context menus showed all possible options even irrelevant ones
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  145. # [15:03] <jgraham> Still no fraud warning in Chrome
  146. # [15:07] * AryehGregor reports it as an error
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  148. # [15:07] <AryehGregor> I still see it at: http://aryeh.name/tmp/css-test/contributors/aryehgregor/submitted/
  149. # [15:07] <AryehGregor> Not at the homepage.
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  203. # [16:41] <Stevef> Is there any pace in the html spec that lists which elements can have a disabled attribute?
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  207. # [16:47] <acies> Limited to form elements, isn't it?
  208. # [16:47] <Philip`> Stevef: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-index.html#attributes-1 may be relevant
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  210. # [16:48] <Stevef> Philip: thanks, just the thing. looked for something like that but couldn't find it
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  224. # [17:12] <Philip`> Hmm, a new password restriction I've not seen before: "Include one symbol but do not contain "<" and ">" symbols"
  225. # [17:13] <Philip`> That gives me great confidence in their system's security
  226. # [17:13] <bzed> does it exclude = and ; , too?
  227. # [17:14] <Philip`> It doesn't say so
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  234. # [17:56] <annevk> did anyone go investigate which specs can be updated with the default dictionary thing?
  235. # [17:56] <annevk> I guess Notifications
  236. # [17:57] <annevk> maybe we should do it for events too
  237. # [17:57] <annevk> now we restricted document.createEvent
  238. # [17:57] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  290. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> jgraham, yt?
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  305. # [20:06] <TabAtkins_> Morning, everyone!
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  307. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> Evening
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  340. # [20:49] <cgcardona> delayed good morning TabAtkins. woot
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  352. # [21:08] <jgraham> Ms2ger: yes
  353. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> unping :)
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  381. # [22:08] <gsnedders> jwalden: You ever get around to emailing about __proto__?
  382. # [22:09] * gsnedders has seen nothing to es-discuss
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  387. # [22:16] <jwalden> Hixie: we stopped clearing the properties off dead windows semi-recently, which may affect your detaching-iframes tests
  388. # [22:17] <jwalden> gsnedders: no, I keep getting distracted from it
  389. # [22:17] <jwalden> I should do that now
  390. # [22:18] <jwalden> I did discuss it with dherman last week, and he's so completely wrong about it that somehow in discussion I managed to convince him to just walk away and claim I was ranting/arguing in bad faith/something bad :-\
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  392. # [22:20] <gsnedders> :|
  393. # [22:22] <gsnedders> jwalden: If you don't do it soon I may end up doing so. :P
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  397. # [22:31] <jwalden> gsnedders: we should both do it, actually
  398. # [22:31] <gsnedders> jwalden: I'll agree with you on list if you do.
  399. # [22:32] <gsnedders> Just whoever does the first post will likely do the longer one.
  400. # [22:32] <jwalden> gsnedders: sounds good
  401. # [22:32] * gsnedders finally has time to actually really do much, going back to working full-time tomorrow
  402. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> The WHATWG cabal... "I'll agree with you on list"
  403. # [22:32] <jwalden> there is no cabal
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  405. # [22:33] <gsnedders> jwalden: What, you don't hang out in #whatwg-cabal!?
  406. # [22:34] <Ms2ger> You mean #secrettreehouse?
  407. # [22:35] <jwalden> I am not now, nor have I ever, hung out in #whatwg-cabal or #secrettreehouse
  408. # [22:35] <gsnedders> Wow. What an outsider. WE MUST DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS.
  409. # [22:35] <TabAtkins_> Good, because they're not real.
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  411. # [22:35] <pablof> jwalden: you might need this, http://www.adinnerguest.com/wp-content/uploads/Bill-Clinton.jpg
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  413. # [22:36] <jwalden> actually, hmm, I might have joined #secrettreehouse once to see if anyone was in it
  414. # [22:36] <jwalden> I guess it depends on what your definition of the word "joined" is
  415. # [22:37] <TabAtkins_> We use "joined" in the biblical sense.
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  418. # [22:38] <jwalden> ugh
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  422. # [22:57] <oal> I tried asking this in #html, but didn't really get any response, so: Is it semantically correct to make a table row an <a>? Or would I add an <a> in each cell? Screenshot of my table: http://i.imgur.com/W4ewO.png
  423. # [22:58] <oal> A row turns red on mouse hover, and is clickable. Not sure what's the best way to solve it though
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  426. # [22:59] <oal> The only thing I got from #html was it's a bad idea, and you should never do it, but noone could tell me why not.
  427. # [23:00] <TabAtkins_> The parser doesn't allow you to put an <a> where a <tr> would go.
  428. # [23:01] <SimonSapin> what about an <a> with CSS display: table-row?
  429. # [23:01] <TabAtkins_> If it did allow you to do something like <table><a><tr><td>foo</tr></a></table>, though, it would be fien.
  430. # [23:01] <TabAtkins_> The parser doesnt' care about CSS.
  431. # [23:02] <oal> Hmm, how'd you solve it?
  432. # [23:03] <TabAtkins_> You need to use script. You might be able to wrap the <tr> in a <a> with JS and get the layout to still work out. Otherwise, just use an click handler on the <a>.
  433. # [23:03] <TabAtkins_> s/<a>/<tr>/
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  437. # [23:05] <oal> Thanks, I'll try that
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