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  8. # [00:08] <yuhong> Do you know win32k user-mode callbacks poses similar problems to DOM mutation events?
  9. # [00:08] <yuhong> http://www.mista.nu/research/mandt-win32k-paper.pdf
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  21. # [00:23] <zewt> can we hang up apple in the Worst Web Page Hall of Fame
  22. # [00:24] <zewt> download links that only work with javascript, which 403 if you try to copy the underlying redirect without carefully copying over cookies
  23. # [00:24] <zewt> which means I can't download xcode, since I can only download large files with wget on a remote server
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  25. # [00:25] <zewt> time to futz with setting cookie headers manually
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  54. # [01:22] <ojan> ok...i give up...who do i contact at w3c about delayed mail delivery?
  55. # [01:22] <ojan> tried finding a contact on w3.org and giving up on that
  56. # [01:23] <ojan> a number of us have been getting delays of days on www-style and public-webapps mail for the past few weeks
  57. # [01:23] <ojan> i figure someone here can point me at the right people
  58. # [01:23] <ojan> shepazu: ^^^ maybe you know?
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  75. # [01:48] <heycam> Hixie, if you have a nullable callback type? no, I don't have any special term that means "call this if it's not null".
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  78. # [01:49] <TabAtkins_> heycam: That's called Maybe.
  79. # [01:50] <heycam> Hey I just met you, and this is crazy, but I'm a callback, so call me Maybe?
  80. # [01:51] <TabAtkins_> That's such a weird meme.
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  82. # [01:51] <heycam> take lines from popular song => change them to something slightly funny that rhymes with the original
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  84. # [02:01] <zewt> bleh if i can't find a way to disable address bar completion completely in chrome, it's time to stop using it ... way too disruptive
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  107. # [03:15] <Hixie> heycam: k
  108. # [03:15] <Hixie> heycam: check the recent diff to see if i did the callback stuff right
  109. # [03:15] <Hixie> i have what may be a silly question
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  112. # [03:15] <Hixie> how do i update a ubuntu install?
  113. # [03:15] <Hixie> i tried using aptitude but all the sources were either 404 or "ignored" for reasons i could not discern
  114. # [03:17] <heycam> Hixie, this change? http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/commit-watchers-whatwg.org/2012/006302.html
  115. # [03:17] <Hixie> yeah
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  117. # [03:25] <heycam> Hixie, is [TreatNonCallableAsNull] really needed for setTimeout/setInterval functions? I thought any non-callable object should be converted to a string
  118. # [03:25] <heycam> Hixie, you can also drop the [AllowAny], since the default behaviour for overloading is to select a DOMString overload if it failed to match the others
  119. # [03:26] <heycam> Hixie, if you drop [TreatNonCallableAsNull] there, then I think you can just get rid of ArbitraryCallback and reference http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#common-Function
  120. # [03:27] <heycam> Hixie, "with the callback this value set to the E's currentTarget" =~ s/to the/to/
  121. # [03:28] <heycam> Hixie, apart from that looks good
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  123. # [03:34] <Hixie> can i ask you to file a bug or send mail with those? i'm not able to track things right this second
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  127. # [03:40] <heycam> Hixie, sure
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  129. # [03:42] <Hixie> thanks dude
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  132. # [03:52] <MikeSmith> hmm chrome://tasks/ "This webpage is not available"
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  238. # [18:54] * Topic is 'WHATWG: http://www.whatwg.org/ -- logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ & http://logbot.glob.com.au/ -- stats: http://gavinsharp.com/irc/whatwg.html -- Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
  239. # [18:54] * Set by smaug____!~chatzilla@GGZYYCCCXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi on Wed Mar 21 17:14:24
  240. # [18:54] <jgraham> Has gecko dropped E4X yet?
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  242. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> No :(
  243. # [18:54] <jgraham> Cryptic error messages about XML names in ECMAScript are no fun
  244. # [18:56] <jgraham> Also it's kind of a silly idea
  245. # [18:56] <jgraham> H4X seems bad for the same reasons
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  247. # [18:57] <divya> whats e4x
  248. # [18:57] <divya> :/
  249. # [18:57] <Ms2ger> You don't want to know
  250. # [18:58] <jgraham> divya: We operate a strict "you ask, we don't tell" policy on that
  251. # [18:58] <divya> ahahahaha
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  253. # [18:59] * divya tweeets that.
  254. # [18:59] <jgraham> (s/H4X/E4H/ I guess)
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  256. # [19:00] <divya> jgraham: y u no on twitter.
  257. # [19:00] <divya> even Ms2ger is on!
  258. # [19:01] <divya> you got no excuse!
  259. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> Leave Dr. Graham be, or he'll tell you to get off his lawn
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  262. # [19:01] <jgraham> Be glad you're not a slug. If you were a slug on my lawn I would cut you in half
  263. # [19:01] <divya> :))
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  265. # [19:02] <jgraham> I think I am on twitter just as much as Ms2ger is
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  267. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> "Dude next to me at SFO just said on the phone: "My startup is social and viral." -- What is that? The common flu?!?"
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  269. # [19:04] <divya> LOLOLOL
  270. # [19:04] <divya> jgraham: WAITTT where is your twitter account
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  272. # [19:04] <divya> Ms2ger: are you paraphrasing someone or quoting yourself :P
  273. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> I'm on the twatters
  274. # [19:05] <divya> https://twitter.com/#!/ms2ger
  275. # [19:05] <divya> totally
  276. # [19:05] <divya> jgraham is not afaik
  277. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> https://twitter.com/pfinette/status/218002531366871041
  278. # [19:05] <divya> ah
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  284. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Recruitment/#techeditor
  285. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> "W3C is seeking a technical editor with Web technologies skills to serve as lead editor for the HTML Working Group."
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  289. # [19:17] <gsnedders> jgraham: E4X is forbidden in strict-mode, FWIW
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  291. # [19:18] <gsnedders> divya: jgraham's account name follows the corrolation from Ms2ger to Ms2ger, with an equal number of tweets.
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  316. # [19:36] <jamesr> hober, yo!
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  320. # [19:44] <pablof> it would be nice to have the Archived-At header in whatwg emails, like the w3c has on (most?) of their lists
  321. # [19:44] <pablof> i wonder if that's just a checkbox somewhere in mailmans configs or if it needs actual code to be enabled
  322. # [19:46] <Philip`> That has been proposed before, and I believe it was not found to be trivial to enable
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  324. # [19:48] <gsnedders> pablof: Mailman doesn't support it, and it's non-trivial to add.
  325. # [19:48] <gsnedders> Was on the to-do list for Mailman 3, at least
  326. # [19:49] <pablof> gsnedders: hmm, i found this, not sure if it's hard to do, but it doesn't look trivial either. http://packages.python.org/mailman/src/mailman/handlers/docs/rfc-2369.html
  327. # [19:49] <pablof> (and it looks like that's for a 3.0 beta, yeah)
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  356. # [20:18] <n00lk0w1> can data-* attr names include underscores in the "*"?
  357. # [20:18] <n00lk0w1> is data-cmtr_name a valid attr name?
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  360. # [20:20] <miketaylr> n00lk0w1: sure
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  362. # [20:21] <n00lk0w1> miketaylr: thanks :P
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  385. # [20:53] <jgraham> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Recruitment/#techeditor - interesting
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  436. # [22:28] <hober> jamesr: yo
  437. # [22:28] <jamesr> hober, about position:sticky - does it do the same in the X and Y?
  438. # [22:28] <hober> jamesr: sorry, was busy obstructing progress in the html wg
  439. # [22:28] <jamesr> ooh that's a fun pasttime
  440. # [22:29] <hober> I suppose I should explicitly </sarcasm> for those reading the logs
  441. # [22:29] <hober> anyway, sticky
  442. # [22:29] <jamesr> you cited news.google.com's sidebar, i was wondering if you noticed that it behaves differently for vertical and horizontal scrolling
  443. # [22:29] <jamesr> it accomplishes the horiz scrolling behavior with script
  444. # [22:29] <hober> yeah, indded
  445. # [22:29] <jamesr> it basically wants to be sticky for vertical scrolling and just move with the page horizontally
  446. # [22:29] <hober> they could do that with foo { position:sticky; top: 10px; }
  447. # [22:30] <hober> that would only stick in the y direction
  448. # [22:30] <jamesr> what dictates that?
  449. # [22:30] <jamesr> since they didn't specify left ?
  450. # [22:30] <hober> yeah
  451. # [22:30] <jamesr> what if they want to alter the static position's left?
  452. # [22:31] <hober> "the static position"? :)
  453. # [22:31] <jamesr> well what if they want to position it and then also have this sticky behavior
  454. # [22:32] <jamesr> abspos container to stick it where they want, then sticky inside that?
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  456. # [22:32] <hober> sure, that should work
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  461. # [22:38] <hober> wait, why wouldn't you just use margin-left?
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  465. # [22:48] <TabAtkins_> Positioning works on the margin box.
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  467. # [22:48] <TabAtkins_> Oh, that's what you're saying. I misparsed your sentence.
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  473. # [22:51] <hober> yeah, i don't think jamesr needs (or wants) an extraneous container element to achieve the effect he describes; margin-left does it
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  476. # [22:59] <Hixie> annevk: or, you know, we could just call it "the document's address"...
  477. # [22:59] <anatolbroder> Hello world! What do you think, will consumer displays (mobile, desktop, tv) exceed 1920 soft pixels in the next 5 years?
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  485. # [23:19] <anatolbroder> I mean 1920 CSS pixel.
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  491. # [23:36] <Hixie> anyway web video implementors about?
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  497. # [23:50] <Hixie> i wonder what to call the attribute that https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13359 asks for
  498. # [23:50] <Hixie> TextTrack.doohickey?
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