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  45. # [03:17] <zewt> heh, greasemonkeying one thing that IE has always done better than FF: implicit submit on enter when a SELECT is focused
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  70. # [05:21] <nonge> zewt, sounds like bad behavior to me … when you navigate with keyboard and want tab through the select options, the form gets submitted each time (for each option)
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  73. # [05:23] <zewt> no it doesn't; up and down changes options, enter submits
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  75. # [05:23] <zewt> (it shouldn't submit if you press enter to select an option when the dropdown is open, which I can't emulate with GM, but it's good enough as a workaround--whenever I have the dropdown open I'm on the mouse anyway)
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  80. # [06:04] <Hixie> why is chrome validating fields before the 'click' event runs
  81. # [06:05] <Hixie> jeez
  82. # [06:06] <Hixie> hm, it's not
  83. # [06:06] <Hixie> wtf
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  163. # [12:47] <annevk> *summon* Ms2ger
  164. # [12:47] <annevk> in 4.7. of http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#concept-event-listener-invoke we could write to not propagate exceptions
  165. # [12:47] <annevk> however
  166. # [12:48] <annevk> they should still reach window.onerror
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  169. # [12:51] <annevk> added comments to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17713 instead
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  187. # [13:43] <jarek> do you know when browser vendors are going to kill the old flexbox?
  188. # [13:43] <jarek> it looks like Safari 6 will ship with old flexbox only
  189. # [13:43] <jarek> I'm not sure about IE10
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  191. # [13:43] <jarek> if I recall correctly they have implemented only the old spec as well
  192. # [13:46] <jarek> and the new spec is still in WD state, it won't get rewritten from scratch again, right?
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  204. # [14:26] <annevk> Hixie: maybe you should stop displaying "Issues" on the issues graph
  205. # [14:26] <annevk> Hixie: only Bugs and Emails are interesting
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  209. # [14:34] <annevk> hmm, ended up reading http://grumet.net/weblog/archives/000118.html this morning
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  228. # [15:57] <Velmont> jarek: Well, IMHO (and I guess vendors agree), it'd be stupid to only support the new version, given that if you have a new version, it's not that hard to also support the old version.
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  230. # [15:58] <Velmont> zewt: I agree with you there. I want <enter> to submit the form most often.
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  250. # [16:48] <Ms2ger> *summon* annevk
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  255. # [16:57] <Velmont> Ms2ger: That summoning trick isn't really working all that well...
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  257. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> He should be here by 8pm ;)
  258. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> By which time I may or may not still be around
  259. # [16:58] <Velmont> Oh, the suspense.
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  262. # [17:22] <Ms2ger> Looks like we need to tickle window.onerror
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  273. # [17:52] <Hixie> anne: i still need to track the XXX markers (what the graph calls issues) -- it's only because i'm tracking them that i've kept them so low :-)
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  289. # [18:41] <Workoh> Ello folks
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  302. # [19:18] <AlexNRoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWOQrpfWRdQ
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  304. # [19:21] <annevk5> The water here is too cold
  305. # [19:23] <annevk5> Hixie: ah k
  306. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> Velmont, what did I say? :)
  307. # [19:24] <annevk5> Ms2ger: later might work. Any ideas as to how to define it? Seems to generally apply to callbacks
  308. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> Haven't really thought about it
  309. # [19:27] <annevk5> Most callbacks are just async so you don't think you have to mention it
  310. # [19:27] <annevk5> I think it's something IDL/HTML need to define
  311. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> Makes sense
  312. # [19:28] <annevk5> Typing uppercase words on a phone sucks
  313. # [19:28] <zewt> s/uppercase//
  314. # [19:28] <Ms2ger> s/words//
  315. # [19:29] <annevk5> Not everything
  316. # [19:29] <annevk5> 💩
  317. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> Is that a pile of poo?
  318. # [19:29] <zewt> nice default glyph you've got there
  319. # [19:29] <annevk5> Uhuh
  320. # [19:30] <Workoh> Hello folks. I've got a question as far as commenting goes, E.G: <!--[if gt IE 8]> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  321. # [19:30] <Workoh> Those tags do not do anything beyond comment in a funky way, correct?
  322. # [19:31] <AlexNRoss> That is a horrible method of going about it and isn't proper either as the only thing before <html> should be a doctype declaration.
  323. # [19:32] <zewt> am I the only person in the world that has always seen that Firefox bug where the save-as dialog can't be submitted without pressing alt-s like there times? heh
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  325. # [19:32] <AlexNRoss> Even though it is "comment code", it is still before the HTML if the user is IE7 or less.
  326. # [19:32] <Ms2ger> Comments there are fine
  327. # [19:32] <AlexNRoss> As well, other browsers wouldn't render that gt 8 either.
  328. # [19:32] <zewt> has happened to me since days lost to history
  329. # [19:32] <Ms2ger> The browser sniffing less so
  330. # [19:32] <Ms2ger> zewt, I don't remember hitting that
  331. # [19:32] <AlexNRoss> Ms2ger: Fine at a level of it will still be processed. But at a technical level, not fine.
  332. # [19:33] <Ms2ger> AlexNRoss, nonsense
  333. # [19:33] <AlexNRoss> That is the purpose of the <html> entity
  334. # [19:33] <AlexNRoss> Because the document is mime-type text/html so it is already implied that it is HTML.
  335. # [19:34] <AlexNRoss> So the <html> tag initiates the beginning of the HTML code.
  336. # [19:34] <Ms2ger> I'm not sure what you're trying to say
  337. # [19:34] <Workoh> <!--[if lt IE 7]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9 lt-ie8 lt-ie7" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  338. # [19:34] <Workoh> <!--[if IE 7]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9 lt-ie8" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  339. # [19:34] <Workoh> <!--[if IE 8]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  340. # [19:34] <Workoh> <!--[if gt IE 8]> <html class="no-js" lang="en"> <![endif]-->
  341. # [19:34] <Workoh> <head>
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  343. # [19:34] <Workoh> Sorry for the spam. Give you a bigger picture perhaps.
  344. # [19:35] <Workoh> Simple question is: Are they hacks or will they effectively disable JavaScript?
  345. # [19:35] <AlexNRoss> What I'm saying is that comment code is declared in the HTML specification, therefore technically it should be inside the <html></html> as opposed to outside. Will it work outside? Yes. Is it proper? Not really.
  346. # [19:36] <Ms2ger> You are mistaken
  347. # [19:36] <AlexNRoss> Ms2ger: How so?
  348. # [19:36] <Ms2ger> There's nothing improper about comments outside the root element
  349. # [19:37] <Workoh> Being a bit of an idiot, I was just making sure I could remove those comments as that style of commenting is something I've not looked into.
  350. # [19:38] <zewt> (as long as they're after the doctype and charset decls)
  351. # [19:38] <Ms2ger> Workoh, nothing in there to disable scripting
  352. # [19:39] <Ms2ger> Search for Conditional Comments if you're interested in what they do
  353. # [19:39] <Workoh> Will-do. Thank you.
  354. # [19:40] <Ms2ger> (The one issue there is that non-IE browsers don't seem to get an html start tag)
  355. # [19:40] <Workoh> <!doctype html> above
  356. # [19:40] <Ms2ger> But no <html>
  357. # [19:40] <Ms2ger> Anyway, I'm off for a bit
  358. # [19:41] <Workoh> Hm. It seemed to validate fine but that's 5 for us.
  359. # [19:42] <Workoh> ...using modernize.js, should of thrown that in.
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