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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jul 21 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <hober> ok
  4. # [00:00] <hober> cursory/initial take: looks good
  5. # [00:00] <zewt> meh i need to revert from android 4.1, it's a little faster but the ui is a bunch of little steps back (adding to a big step back)
  6. # [00:00] <Hixie> hober: awesome, thanks
  7. # [00:00] <zewt> like I hit the search box on the home page and instead of letting me type right away, there's a big delay while it loads a search app
  8. # [00:00] <Hixie> volkmar: inputmode="" is in the spec
  9. # [00:01] <Hixie> zewt: odd
  10. # [00:01] <zewt> wtf? i hit the google button and it's making me go through a WELCOME TO GOOGLE bit of nonsense
  11. # [00:01] <Hixie> what hardware?
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  13. # [00:01] <zewt> nexus s
  14. # [00:01] <zewt> the google search box is now a narrow thing at the top instead of the input box
  15. # [00:01] <Hixie> ah, yeah, that might just be too old to handle jellybean fast
  16. # [00:02] <zewt> that input box, at least, doesn't use autocorrection at all (probably depends on google's suggestions to handle it)
  17. # [00:02] <zewt> i'll try in the browser
  18. # [00:03] <Hixie> hm, yeah, i guess it doesn't
  19. # [00:03] <Hixie> never noticed that
  20. # [00:03] <zewt> dunno, amazon search seems verbatim too
  21. # [00:03] <zewt> i think the input API only has "helpful stuff on" and "helpful stuff off", at least last I poked through it
  22. # [00:03] <Hixie> you must be right, android just has equivalents of verbatim and latin-prose
  23. # [00:03] <Hixie> interesting
  24. # [00:04] <Hixie> well, the spec has an in between mode, anyway, so hopefully you are happy :-)
  25. # [00:04] <zewt> yeah, one more little nudge for android to support it some day :)
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  27. # [00:06] <zewt> are there use cases for actually hinting half-width katakana?
  28. # [00:07] <zewt> (possibly a question for MikeSmith et al)
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  32. # [00:08] <Hixie> zewt: it's apparently common for OSes to have half-width IMEs, dunno if there's a need to hint for it though
  33. # [00:08] <zewt> yeah that's what i mean
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  35. # [00:08] <Hixie> ok, bbiab.
  36. # [00:09] <zewt> same question for full-width-latin (not sure how it would be used by authors)
  37. # [00:10] <gsnedders> This strikes me as a mess, and rather exemplifies why I want a decent solution for caesura: <div class="line"><a name="li2"></a>&thorn;&#x113;od-cyninga&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&thorn;rym gefr&#x16B;non,</div>
  38. # [00:10] <gsnedders> That is: þēod-cyninga þrym gefrūnon,
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  40. # [00:11] <gsnedders> I should just stop caring about markup. It would simplify many things.
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  69. # [00:57] <annevk> what is the case for inputmode=url?
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  72. # [01:02] <zewt> if you're entering a URL on a webpage then you want to be in a keyboard mode that puts eg. : and / on the front keyboard (as for how often people enter URLs except into the browser directly, dunno)
  73. # [01:03] <annevk> why would you not use type=url?
  74. # [01:03] <zewt> dunno
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  77. # [01:04] <annevk> because that's really the question
  78. # [01:05] <zewt> the legacy conflation of type for both "data type" and "data contents" makes it all a little mixed up
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  102. # [01:38] <zewt> gah
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  104. # [01:39] <zewt> apparently there are some errors that are only shown on the old "error console" in FF and not on the web console
  105. # [01:39] <zewt> wish they'd merge those and stop having two consoles
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  108. # [01:50] <Hixie> strikes me that we should probably look into how to make inputmode work for contenteditable
  109. # [01:50] <Hixie> bummer
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  116. # [02:01] <smaug____> zewt: error console is very useful
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  118. # [02:01] <smaug____> zewt: but sure, web page related errors should go to web console
  119. # [02:01] <smaug____> zewt: file a bug if something goes to the wrong console
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  122. # [02:05] <tantek> so how about that Opus huh? http://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/07/firefox-beta-15-supports-the-new-opus-audio-format/
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  186. # [05:14] <Hixie> wow, the htmlwg is still arguing over r6890 while we're up at r7200. i sure hope they find an editor soon or it's going to be a huge amount of work just coordinating upstreaming of patches.
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  256. # [09:41] <annevk> Hixie: will you consistently use "Fix some typos or copypasta." from now on?
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  258. # [09:41] <annevk> Hixie: could filter those from the tweets too maybe, although nobody has complained much
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  264. # [09:51] <annevk> tantek: is there a catch somewhere? sounds too good to be true
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  267. # [10:19] <tantek> annevk - which part?
  268. # [10:20] <annevk> tantek: opus
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  271. # [10:26] <tantek> well we're not out of the woods yet. we still need to see Webkit/Chrome/Safari updates.
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  273. # [10:50] <annevk> do other audio codecs have faster decoders/encoders by any chance?
  274. # [10:50] <annevk> article didn't mention that
  275. # [10:50] <annevk> or hardware support
  276. # [10:50] <tantek> well you can try the Firefox 15 beta on your Android and see how well it does: firefox.com/beta
  277. # [10:53] <annevk> heh
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  319. # [13:21] <ruby_on_tails> data in localStorage is never deleted ? what happens if 500 sites use 5mb of it on my machine ?
  320. # [13:21] <ruby_on_tails> how does an average user clear it ?
  321. # [13:30] <smaug____> that is up to the UA
  322. # [13:33] <Philip`> An average user will have way more than 2.5GB of free disk space, so it won't be a problem
  323. # [13:40] <ruby_on_tails> but that doesnt sound good
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  325. # [13:45] <smaug____> [OT] I hope we could get rid of localStorage. It is a horrible API.
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  348. # [15:27] <Yaffle> Hello!!!
  349. # [15:28] <Yaffle> @annevk, XMLHttpRequest has 50ms delay for progress events, WHY???
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  355. # [15:43] <annevk> it's not a delay
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  357. # [15:46] <Yaffle> delay or not, it is
  358. # [15:46] <Yaffle> why???
  359. # [15:49] <Yaffle> what do "50ms" in the XMLHttpRequest2 spec??? it is a bug
  360. # [15:49] <annevk> it's just an interval
  361. # [15:49] <Yaffle> for what?
  362. # [15:49] <annevk> so that they don't fire too often
  363. # [15:49] <Yaffle> it is also a delay,
  364. # [15:49] <Yaffle> because
  365. # [15:50] <Yaffle> "50ms or for every byte transmitted, whichever is least frequent."
  366. # [15:50] <Yaffle> so, progress will not fire for every byte(s), but there are will be a delay
  367. # [15:50] <annevk> not sure what you're trying to say
  368. # [15:50] <Yaffle> why this delay is needed?
  369. # [15:51] <Yaffle> i need latency = 1ms, not 50 ms
  370. # [15:51] <annevk> you'll have to explain a bit more and preferably in form of an emali
  371. # [15:51] <annevk> email*
  372. # [15:52] <Yaffle> Opera, Chrome, Firefox updates "responseText" every 10-12 ms
  373. # [15:52] <Yaffle> Chrome, Firefox fires "readystatechange" for every responseText update
  374. # [15:52] <Yaffle> so, it is fired more often, then "progress"
  375. # [15:53] <annevk> well that's a bug in Chrome/Firefox
  376. # [15:53] <annevk> but we can fire progress more often I guess if people want that, you haven't really elaborated on why it's needed, please include that in the email
  377. # [15:53] <Yaffle> don't think so
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  379. # [15:54] <Yaffle> i want "progress" events for every byte(s) received; for 50 ms interval, i can use setInterval(callback, 50)
  380. # [15:55] <annevk> well, want is not a use case
  381. # [15:56] <annevk> I'm going back to my weekend now, this is getting boring
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  384. # [15:57] <Yaffle> i can fix spec myself
  385. # [15:57] <Yaffle> just give access
  386. # [15:57] <Yaffle> whatwg is LOL
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  411. # [17:27] <zewt> annevk: try not to get trolled heh
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  417. # [17:44] <Hixie> annevk: i thought i was still sending you "typo" and "xref"... my script is just expanding those for e-mail purposes, i think... did i screw up?
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  419. # [17:46] <zewt> uh, why is a Chair hopping on webapps and saying "take this discussion elsewhere"
  420. # [17:46] <zewt> since when does that ever happen--don't recall ever seeing it before since I subscribed
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  422. # [17:48] <zewt> ah he's probably the webappsec chair
  423. # [17:48] <zewt> and didn't notice that it's cc: webapps
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  430. # [18:03] <[tm]> zewt: good example of why cross posting is bad
  431. # [18:08] <zewt> eh
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  433. # [18:09] <zewt> sometimes multiple audiences are relevant to a discussion and expecting everyone on one list to subscribe to the other for one thread is unreasonable
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  496. # [21:45] <annevk> Hixie: ah, I didn't realize those were different
  497. # [21:46] <annevk> zewt: have to give people a chance, but that was going nowhere
  498. # [21:47] <zewt> yeah, just the "stop talking" thing never really happens on webapps
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