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  16. # [00:51] <Hixie> TabAtkins: thanks for answering that intern's question
  17. # [00:51] <Hixie> TabAtkins: i was like "wtf are you talking about"
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  19. # [00:54] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Haha, np
  20. # [00:54] <TabAtkins> I want to see the feature implemented!
  21. # [00:54] <TabAtkins> And now I have some questions to post to the list about it.
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  24. # [01:00] <Hixie> i like your "just implement the spec" thing
  25. # [01:00] <Hixie> i always feel weird saying that :-)
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  28. # [01:04] <TabAtkins> Why?
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  86. # [04:38] <Hixie> TabAtkins: because it undermines my ideal, namely that the standard should be good enough and be a close enough match to the implementors' desires that they would want to implement it without prompting
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  156. # [10:14] <annevk> :(
  157. # [10:14] <annevk> DreamHost is still at MySQL 5.1
  158. # [10:14] <annevk> meaning http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/archives/002539.html is still broken
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  163. # [10:36] <annevk> so yeah, I tried putting đź’© in a blog entry and it failed miserably
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  181. # [11:50] <matjas> annevk: surely they must be planning to upgrade to MySQL 5.3.3+ sometime?
  182. # [11:51] <matjas> annevk: back when my server had an outdated mysql, I just took care of it with some PHP string replacements
  183. # [11:51] <matjas> `{tetragram}` became `𝌆`, etc… annoying but at least it works
  184. # [11:52] <matjas> whenever someone left a comment using any other astral symbol, i would have to go in and add another dictionary entry – but luckily that never happened
  185. # [11:53] <matjas> also, converting your dbs and tables to utf8mb4 isn’t as simple as that blog post makes it seem
  186. # [11:54] <matjas> VARCHAR(191) is the new VARCHAR(255), for example
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  188. # [11:56] <matjas> (for HTML, you could of course use character references)
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  190. # [11:57] <matjas> (didn’t we talk about this before in #whatwg?)
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  193. # [12:06] <annevk> matjas: we did, but I started looking into updating my stuff today
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  195. # [12:09] <annevk> matjas: the comment in the MySQL documentation makes it seem as though the argument to CHAR is counting characters
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  204. # [12:30] <matjas> i’d suggest using utf8mb4_unicode_ci instead of utf8mb4_bin, though
  205. # [12:30] <matjas> why would anyone want to use utf8mb4_bin?
  206. # [12:31] <matjas> i might do a write-up on how i converted my stuff
  207. # [12:31] <matjas> in case it helps anyone
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  209. # [12:56] <annevk> matjas: I'm not actually using MySQL for anything other than dumb storage so it doesn't matter much for me I guess
  210. # [12:56] <annevk> at least not at the moment
  211. # [12:57] <annevk> matjas: but how to convert existing stuff and how to set up new stuff is always good to have given the rotten defaults :/
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  219. # [13:33] <Velmont> matjas: So it's on mainline, I guess you got my email(?)
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  302. # [17:30] <Velmont> matjas: The var var, for, while; fix :-)
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  308. # [17:55] <zewt> i wish all of the "reflected the content attribute of the same name" bits would link to said bits, since that's where I always land
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  312. # [17:58] <zewt> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/07/non-bouncy-layouts/ i'd have expected setting img @width and @height to do this, but it doesn't :(
  313. # [17:59] <zewt> eg. saying <img width=800 height=200 style="width: 100%; height: auto;"> to always layout as if it had an 800x200 image loaded
  314. # [18:01] <zewt> (probably throw in display: inline-block for completeness, not that that helps)
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