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  1. # Session Start: Wed Sep 26 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:03] <dsheets> Hixie: zewt gave you your use case for un-resolved refs
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  5. # [00:04] <Hixie> dsheets: anne's the one who needs the use cases
  6. # [00:04] <Hixie> i'm just an interested observer
  7. # [00:04] <Hixie> zewt: btw, HFS+ supports directory hardlinks
  8. # [00:05] <zewt> Hixie: weird
  9. # [00:05] <Hixie> Time Machine uses it to good effect
  10. # [00:05] <zewt> anyway simply discarding hardlink loops seems sane (very rare, and rarer within user data since you need to be root to create them)
  11. # [00:05] <Hixie> you can treat each incremental backup as a full backup
  12. # [00:05] <Hixie> they just hardlink the common bits
  13. # [00:06] <zewt> (i'm assuming hard linked directories work like file hard links, eg. you can detect them by comparing inodes, but I haven't played with it)
  14. # [00:06] <Hixie> yeah i dunno either
  15. # [00:06] <dsheets> Hixie: you were interested enough to inquire about use cases previously going so far as to tell me to draft mail
  16. # [00:06] <dsheets> annevk: zewt gave you your use case for un-resolved refs
  17. # [00:06] <zewt> someone also said that OSX somehow prevents hard links from creating loops (no idea if true or how)
  18. # [00:07] <zewt> (i'm pretty sure I didn't, but feel free to be more specific :)
  19. # [00:07] <Hixie> dsheets: well presumably once anne gets to zewt's e-mail, he will make sure it's handled
  20. # [00:07] <Hixie> dsheets: i was interested in helping you get your use case explained so that anne could make sure it was handled
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  23. # [00:08] <zewt> (the case you're probably thinking of is where I want to use the parser for queries for entirely unrelated things--portions of the hash--which isn't what you were talking about)
  24. # [00:08] <dsheets> zewt: it was one of the many things I was talking about
  25. # [00:10] <dsheets> zewt: using only the query part of the parser without a dummy base requires the ability to parse without resolving
  26. # [00:10] <Hixie> anne's asleep now so really if you want to affect the url spec your best bet is e-mail
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  28. # [00:13] <jamesr_> othermaciej, with sandboxed local storage area systems in general, is there any way to share resources with multiple origins? maybe with CORS or something? use case is having multiple (say) image editing applications on different domains and wanting to edit the same image offline
  29. # [00:14] <othermaciej> jamesr_: hadn't thought about that as a use case
  30. # [00:14] <othermaciej> jamesr_: if the persistent URL for a file is loadable from any origin, then you could share that way, for reading
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  32. # [00:14] <othermaciej> jamesr_: that would require the URL format to have an unguessable unique token for each file
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  34. # [00:15] <othermaciej> jamesr_: I do not know what would be a reasonable approach to shared write access
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  37. # [00:15] <othermaciej> jamesr_: I could imagine creating shareable storage areas (not per-origin) that have an unguessable unique token identifier which can be shared between webapps
  38. # [00:15] <othermaciej> jamesr_: that would be the "capabilities" approach to it
  39. # [00:15] <jamesr_> would that require explicit cooperation between the webapps?
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  41. # [00:15] <jamesr_> or would a user have some way to say "give this guy access to that space" in some fashion? i.e. let gimp.org access my local pictures?
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  43. # [00:16] <othermaciej> jamesr_: I could imagine shared storage areas as described having a way to grant access
  44. # [00:16] <othermaciej> jamesr_: I have to go to meetings
  45. # [00:16] <othermaciej> jamesr_: happy to follow up on this on public-webapps
  46. # [00:16] <TabAtkins> Clearly a use-case for Web Intents!
  47. # [00:16] <jamesr_> ok. i'm not very caught up on these discussions
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  49. # [00:16] <TabAtkins> /kidding
  50. # [00:16] <othermaciej> I do think the non-shared case can be handled with IndexedDB, from what I can tell currently
  51. # [00:17] <othermaciej> just give IndexedDB a way to vend persistent URLs to a keypath
  52. # [00:17] <Hixie> hmm
  53. # [00:17] <othermaciej> and if you want a more filesystem-like API, that can be layered on top
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  56. # [00:17] <Hixie> i wonder if i should reorder the sections in the Sections section
  57. # [00:17] <Hixie> so that <section> comes after <aside>
  58. # [00:17] <TabAtkins> I say yes, purely because I liked that sentence.
  59. # [00:17] <Hixie> or maybe have it body, article, section, nav, aside
  60. # [00:18] <Hixie> heh
  61. # [00:18] <TabAtkins> Your second ordering seems nice.
  62. # [00:18] <jamesr_> you should put that in <maincontent>, right?
  63. # [00:18] <Hixie> that's <body>
  64. # [00:19] <Hixie> tantek: k, will do that one
  65. # [00:19] <nessy> you should put nav ahead of article - it's header-type content
  66. # [00:19] * nessy should have slept in
  67. # [00:19] <Hixie> <header> is much later :-)
  68. # [00:19] <TabAtkins> nessy: I think the ordering he suggested was roughly in terms of decreasing inclusiveness.
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  70. # [00:19] <nessy> fair enough
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  78. # [00:27] <JonathanNeal> hello
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  80. # [00:30] <TabAtkins> Yo, JN.
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  103. # [01:09] <JonathanNeal> I dig this new DOM stuff making its way into Chrome.
  104. # [01:09] <JonathanNeal> Is anyone maintaining a repo for the polyfills?
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  116. # [01:14] <TabAtkins> JonathanNeal: Dunno!
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  118. # [01:14] <TabAtkins> Though a snarky answer would be "jQuery".
  119. # [01:14] <zewt> email formatting in mail from BRIAN is making my head hurt
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  121. # [01:14] <zewt> er, BRYAN
  122. # [01:15] <zewt> (as someone with a more-often-misspelled-than-not name, i guess I should get at least that right)
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  153. # [01:20] <TabAtkins> "and since the Invited Expert route didn't work out" is a good euphemism for "because we were asshats".
  154. # [01:21] <gavinc> Hey, where exactly can I learn more about the URL living standard and the use cases being considered?
  155. # [01:21] <TabAtkins> From annevk, when he's awake.
  156. # [01:22] <TabAtkins> Or from the standard itself, maybe? I haven't read it yet.
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  162. # [01:24] <gavinc> well, it seems to be claiming to want to replace RFC 3986 and RFC 3987... and doesn't seem to explain how relative urls work with their base very clearly yet
  163. # [01:24] <Hixie> yeah, it's a work in progress
  164. # [01:25] <Hixie> i expect it will eventually completely define everything those rfcs define
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  166. # [01:25] <Hixie> (plus everything they're missing)
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  171. # [01:26] <gavinc> ... is starting over REALLY necessary?
  172. # [01:26] <Hixie> no
  173. # [01:26] <Hixie> not even slightly
  174. # [01:27] <Hixie> for years we have been asking for the ietf to fix their rfcs
  175. # [01:27] <gavinc> is there a list of the issues some where?
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  178. # [01:27] <Hixie> the url specs don't define error handling
  179. # [01:27] <Hixie> that's the big one
  180. # [01:28] <Hixie> and what they do define doesn't match implementations (e.g. implementations handle javascript: URLs differently than http: URLs, but the RFCs don't really define them differently)
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  184. # [01:28] <gavinc> and working with IETF...?
  185. # [01:28] <gavinc> 'cause uh...
  186. # [01:28] <zewt> hahahahahahahahaha
  187. # [01:29] <zewt> sorry :)
  188. # [01:29] <Hixie> the IETF was, how you say, not receptive
  189. # [01:29] <Hixie> nor very responsive
  190. # [01:30] <gavinc> perhaps, but throwing out the whole of both RFCs seems a bit... extreme?
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  196. # [01:33] <zewt> from the results i've seen so far of anne's work vs. the legacy specs he's replaced, and if he's willing to do the work, i think it's just fine
  197. # [01:34] <Hixie> gavinc: there's not really that much of value in the RFCs when you get right down to it, to be honest
  198. # [01:35] <Hixie> gavinc: so as zewt says, if anne is willing to do the work...
  199. # [01:35] <Hixie> gavinc: it's very similar to the new HTML spec vs HTML4
  200. # [01:35] <gavinc> Hixie: I've found Normalization and Comparison from 3987 rather reasonable
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  202. # [01:36] <Hixie> gavinc: if there are specific use cases that you want to make sure anne takes into account, i recommend e-mailing him (or the list, or filing a bug)
  203. # [01:37] <Hixie> that section in particular seems to use a lot of words to not say that much :-)
  204. # [01:37] <zewt> Hixie: sounds like just about every pre-HTML5 spec ever written :)
  205. # [01:37] <Hixie> gavinc: i expect anne's canonicalisation algorithm will actually end up doing a way cleaner job of that section, actually
  206. # [01:37] <Hixie> gavinc: but we'll see
  207. # [01:39] <gavinc> zewt: being less dismissive of other peoples work would go a long way
  208. # [01:39] <gavinc> gavin: okay, as a work in progress it's reasonable
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  210. # [01:39] <gavinc> got a bit lost just from total change of language
  211. # [01:39] <zewt> i'm dismissive of things that i believe should be dismissed
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  213. # [01:40] <gavinc> it seems resolving relative urls, is now hierarchical
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  215. # [01:40] <gavinc> and yes, I do in fact agree that the hierarchical section is a great deal easier to understand then the RFC
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  217. # [01:40] <zewt> fyi <annevk> maybe I'll rename "hierarchical" to "relative"
  218. # [01:40] * gavinc snorts
  219. # [01:40] <gavinc> heh
  220. # [01:40] <gavinc> yeah, that would do it
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  238. # [01:41] <zewt> it's quite a freenode day
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  241. # [01:43] <TabAtkins> zewt: Yeah, they're maintaining some of the servers that a lot of us connect through.
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  245. # [01:46] <Hixie> man, coming up with examples is hard
  246. # [01:46] <Hixie> heycam: you following this Location thread on whatwg?
  247. # [01:46] <heycam> Hixie, I had not been, I'll take a look
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  249. # [01:47] <Hixie> thanks
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  283. # [02:09] <Hixie> any opinions on http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#usage-summary-0 ?
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  288. # [02:11] <TabAtkins> The styling leave something to be desired, but seems okay.
  289. # [02:12] <Hixie> yeah, too many lines
  290. # [02:12] <TabAtkins> Yeah, and I think the yellow is too much. Just bolding would probably be enough.
  291. # [02:13] <TabAtkins> Also: whoops, forgot to never ever open up the Inspector on the single-page spec.
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  293. # [02:13] <Hixie> heh
  294. # [02:13] <Hixie> i make that mistake regularly
  295. # [02:13] <Hixie> in dev builds it's not too bad
  296. # [02:13] <Hixie> it just doesn't do anything useful until you've done it three or four times
  297. # [02:13] <TabAtkins> Yeah, plus my new machine helps out.
  298. # [02:13] <TabAtkins> Woo z620!
  299. # [02:14] <Hixie> i think i'll keep the yellow, for some of the other examples it's really necessary to have more than bold
  300. # [02:14] <Hixie> and it'd be weird to be inconsistent
  301. # [02:14] <TabAtkins> Could you slightly reduce the brightness, then? I don't like bright yellow against off-white backgrounds.
  302. # [02:14] <Hixie> yeah, could do that
  303. # [02:14] <Hixie> paste a hex code?
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  305. # [02:16] <TabAtkins> Maybe #e6e600?
  306. # [02:16] <TabAtkins> hsl(60, 100%, 45%)
  307. # [02:16] <Hixie> reload?
  308. # [02:16] <TabAtkins> Ah, better!
  309. # [02:17] <TabAtkins> It's an ugly color, but it doesn't strain my eyes.
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  311. # [02:19] <Hixie> hah
  312. # [02:19] <Hixie> yikes that is ugly
  313. # [02:19] <Hixie> i'll poke at it some more :-P
  314. # [02:20] <Hixie> how about http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/sections.html#usage-summary-0 ?
  315. # [02:20] <Hixie> too bright again?
  316. # [02:21] <TabAtkins> Yeah. It's just something about a light, bright color against gray or near-gray that causes eye-strain for me.
  317. # [02:21] <TabAtkins> I think it's because I can't clearly make out the boundary.
  318. # [02:21] <Hixie> oh i guess the examples _are_ gray, aren't they
  319. # [02:21] <Hixie> they're so light that i forget
  320. # [02:21] <Hixie> hmm
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  322. # [02:22] <TabAtkins> Not a huge fan of it against white either, but I'm used to that.
  323. # [02:24] <Hixie> how about it now
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  325. # [02:30] <Hixie> also, can we please make the right hand side of attribute selectors accept unquoted numbers
  326. # [02:30] <TabAtkins> Sigh, I've messed that up so often.
  327. # [02:31] <Hixie> glad it's not just me
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  329. # [02:31] <TabAtkins> The colors are great, thanks.
  330. # [02:31] <Hixie> cool
  331. # [02:31] <Hixie> (every time, i spend minutes trying to work out what's wrong)
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  333. # [02:31] <Hixie> reload for an attempt at cleaning up at least some of those lines
  334. # [02:31] <Hixie> wait
  335. # [02:31] <Hixie> not done yet
  336. # [02:31] <TabAtkins> Problem with accepting numbers, of course, is that it's not exact. <foo x=05> won't match foo[x=05]
  337. # [02:31] * Hixie twiddles thumbs
  338. # [02:32] <Hixie> yeah, maybe if it's numbers = should do a numeric comparison
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  340. # [02:32] <Hixie> i proposed <= >= < > and so on years ago
  341. # [02:32] <Hixie> [rowspan>5]
  342. # [02:32] <TabAtkins> Makes sense to me.
  343. # [02:32] <Hixie> ok reload now
  344. # [02:32] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#usage-summary-0
  345. # [02:32] <TabAtkins> Yeah, better.
  346. # [02:33] <Hixie> cool.
  347. # [02:33] <Hixie> ok
  348. # [02:33] <Hixie> well
  349. # [02:33] <Hixie> that was an entire afternoon spent on one editorial bug that asked for something slightly different than what i provided, so clearly my time was well spent here
  350. # [02:33] <Hixie> home!
  351. # [02:33] <Hixie> bbl
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  391. # [05:04] <Hixie> cabanier: canvas has always used web idl, ever since, in fact since before, web idl existed...
  392. # [05:04] <Hixie> cabanier: (as has the rest of HTML, since it's just one spec really)
  393. # [05:05] <cabanier> hixie: I agree
  394. # [05:06] <Hixie> what i just says contradicts what you said in http://www.w3.org/mid/83F37C1A4497B54589EAEDC750D03A9473B4B551@nambx09.corp.adobe.com
  395. # [05:06] <cabanier> hixie: I just didn't see any bug on the recent changes
  396. # [05:06] <cabanier> hixie: oops
  397. # [05:06] <Hixie> :-)
  398. # [05:07] <cabanier> hixie: yeah. the spec always referred to webIDL
  399. # [05:07] <cabanier> hixie: I should have proofread that email
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  403. # [05:11] <cabanier> hixie: If that is so, were there bugs logged on WebIDL or did you just fix the interface?
  404. # [05:11] <Hixie> how do you mean?
  405. # [05:12] <cabanier> the old interface didn't match the behavior so you fixed it so it does.
  406. # [05:12] <cabanier> was that in response to a bug report?
  407. # [05:12] <cabanier> It's not in the change log...
  408. # [05:12] <Hixie> either a bug report, an e-mail, me seeing it while going through the spec proofreading, or any number of other things
  409. # [05:12] <cabanier> :-)
  410. # [05:12] <Hixie> which revision in particular are you talking about?
  411. # [05:13] <cabanier> http://svn.whatwg.org/webapps@7129 340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74
  412. # [05:14] <Hixie> oh ages ago
  413. # [05:14] <cabanier> June 11: [giow] (2) Update to take into account WebIDL's 'double' vs 'unrestricted double' change.
  414. # [05:14] <Hixie> probably just did that because i saw an e-mail go by about the changes to webidl
  415. # [05:16] <cabanier> OK. I sent out a correction.
  416. # [05:17] <cabanier> thanks for letting me know!
  417. # [05:17] <Hixie> no worries, just got confused :-)
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  422. # [05:27] <Hixie> i imagine they don't want to
  423. # [05:27] <SamB_MacG5> is it spite?
  424. # [05:27] <Hixie> unlikely
  425. # [05:28] <Hixie> probably just a different sense of aesthetics
  426. # [05:28] * SamB_MacG5 continues to believe it is done to confuse him
  427. # [05:29] * SamB_MacG5 sorta wishes there was a way to specify userstyle based on what stylesheets a document used ...
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  483. # [08:47] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: apparently ed isn't on board, at least
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  487. # [09:02] <annevk> oh lol, whether the ? or # is included matters for the terminology?
  488. # [09:02] <hsivonen> annevk: thanks. email sent to www-style about window.screen
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  496. # [09:23] <zcorpan> annevk: why call it .isInvalid rather than simply .valid or .invalid (depending on which case is more likely to check for truthness in an if statement)?
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  498. # [09:24] <annevk> But Klaasen, the Dutch national coordinator for counterterrorism and security: "Why can’t I trust people?"
  499. # [09:24] <annevk> hahahaha
  500. # [09:24] <zcorpan> (i'd think .valid since it seems more useful to do stuff with a valid url than with an invalid one)
  501. # [09:24] <annevk> -- http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/proposed-eu-plan-to-stop-terrorist-sites-even-more-ridiculous-than-thought/
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  503. # [09:25] <annevk> mkay
  504. # [09:25] <annevk> looks like ValidityState has that too
  505. # [09:26] <zcorpan> ah yeah
  506. # [09:26] <annevk> zcorpan: you have the same nick on github?
  507. # [09:26] <zcorpan> yes
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  510. # [09:29] <annevk> zewt: I think I'm going to leave relative URLs to libraries for now (in the manner you proposed on the list)
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  512. # [09:29] <annevk> zewt: afaict there's no native code in browsers for those things at the moment
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  518. # [09:44] <annevk> tantek: basically, I considered aligning the terminology with the API, but kept them different for now since a) names as scheme/query/fragment are quite widespread and understood (I think) and b) it makes it somewhat clearer there's an API on top of some internal concepts
  519. # [09:45] <annevk> tantek: this is in particular true for "scheme", which is the name exclusively used when defining new types of URLs
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  521. # [09:54] <zcorpan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JulSep/0835.html looks like an excellent example of how we want people to go about proposing a new feature
  522. # [09:56] <zcorpan> (asking people to come up with a solution and detailed processing model as in http://blog.whatwg.org/proposing-features has proven to be unhelpful for the forums since it makes people focus on a particular solution instead of focusing on use cases and requirements)
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  528. # [10:01] <annevk> write an updated blog post ;)
  529. # [10:01] <annevk> and maybe update the FAQ
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  532. # [10:05] <zcorpan> i edited http://forums.whatwg.org/bb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=41&p=159
  533. # [10:05] <zcorpan> but maybe the faq should say that directly and the forums post just point to the faq
  534. # [10:07] <zcorpan> for the faq, the step discussing with implementors i think puts people off and isn't really a requirement
  535. # [10:07] <zcorpan> i mean, not as a first step
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  537. # [10:08] <zcorpan> i think step one should be "forget about your solution" :-P
  538. # [10:09] <annevk> yeah, I think you're right
  539. # [10:10] <annevk> the people typically directed to these things just need to know it's about "use cases"
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  560. # [11:02] <zcorpan> i edited http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#Is_there_a_process_for_adding_new_features_to_a_specification.3F to what i think works better in practice
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  571. # [11:36] <zcorpan> Hixie: with the frameset change, don't you need to apply display:block on the frameset element?
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  578. # [12:16] <jgraham> http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/constraints/web/ccss-uwtr.pdf is mildly interesting is something of a historical curio at this point
  579. # [12:16] <jgraham> *if something
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  686. # [16:16] <zcorpan> [tm]: you know the status of the publishing in html wg?
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  690. # [16:18] <SamB_MacG5> zcorpan: how are you checking for document.all ?
  691. # [16:19] <SamB_MacG5> you know that it's specified to pretend to be undefined, right?
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  694. # [16:20] <jgraham> zcorpan: I heard that [tm] is unavaliable
  695. # [16:20] <jgraham> Maybe ask plh
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  697. # [16:21] <zcorpan> SamB_MacG5: yeah i know. i got an exception when using it and removing the doctype made it work, but now when i test again it works in standards mode. dunno what happened last time
  698. # [16:22] <SamB_MacG5> typo or something?
  699. # [16:22] <zcorpan> SamB_MacG5: the test i had was http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=1801
  700. # [16:23] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, throws in Gecko, as expected
  701. # [16:23] <zcorpan> (it saying 'undefined' in the log means document.all is available; it saying an exception was thrown means it wasn't)
  702. # [16:23] <zcorpan> (opera returns the param)
  703. # [16:23] <SamB_MacG5> ah
  704. # [16:24] <zcorpan> maybe i looked at firefox and thought i was looking at chrome? dunno :-)
  705. # [16:24] <SamB_MacG5> yeah, that's throwing in TenFourFox for me as well
  706. # [16:25] <zcorpan> browsers look much the same these days
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  710. # [16:28] <Ms2ger> It's terrible, terrible code
  711. # [16:28] <SamB_MacG5> what does this "rendering mode: CSS1Compat" part mean?
  712. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> No quirks/limited quirks mode
  713. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Also known as standards/almost standards
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  715. # [16:29] <zcorpan> SamB_MacG5: http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-document-compatmode
  716. # [16:30] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: any change you're gonna make document.all available in standards mode? :-)
  717. # [16:30] <Ms2ger> No :)
  718. # [16:30] * SamB_MacG5 sees it in both Safari (WebKit 534.49.0) and TenFourFox 15
  719. # [16:31] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, we are planning to make doc.all emulate undefined rather than the mess we have now, though
  720. # [16:31] * SamB_MacG5 wonders how you're *supposed* to find out what version of WebKit Safari is using
  721. # [16:32] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: what does that mean?
  722. # [16:32] <jgraham> SamB_MacG5: Never, ever ask about how document.all works in Gecko. Trust me on this.
  723. # [16:32] <SamB_MacG5> okay
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  725. # [16:33] <Ms2ger> jgraham, indeed so :)
  726. # [16:33] <jgraham> It's not so much "here be dragons" as "here be dragons guarding a minefield around a black hole"
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  730. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> Try http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1803 for example
  731. # [16:37] <zcorpan> jgraham: ok, i'll email plh
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  866. # [18:17] <Ms2ger> zewt++
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  900. # [19:00] <Hixie> zcorpan_: thanks for updating the faq, that's way better
  901. # [19:00] <zcorpan_> Hixie: cool, thanks
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  903. # [19:00] <Hixie> zcorpan_: i might change it to say that you can stop after sending the use cases to the list, since at that point if the use cases are good it'll get added regardless, and if they're bad it doesn't matter how good the solutions are
  904. # [19:01] <Hixie> zcorpan_: and some people get attached to their solutions and get upset when others are picked
  905. # [19:01] <zcorpan_> Hixie: yeah i considered the same thing
  906. # [19:02] <Hixie> see also the bottom section of http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/What_you_can_do
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  993. # [21:55] <Hixie> abarth: do you know what https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85778 was about and whether i resolved it?
  994. # [21:55] <Hixie> abarth: i don't see e-mail pending on the topic
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  1004. # [22:16] <krijnh> Ms2ger: sorry, missed a line :/ Should be fixed now and auto-update again
  1005. # [22:16] <abarth> Hixie: we had a thread about it on whatwg
  1006. # [22:17] <Ms2ger> Yay :)
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  1008. # [22:17] <abarth> Hixie: i think we decided to put the requirement in the CSP spec rather than the HTML spec
  1009. # [22:18] <abarth> Hixie: May 7
  1010. # [22:18] <abarth> Subject: <iframe srcdoc> and Content-Security-Policy
  1011. # [22:19] <abarth> on june 22 you said "Fair enough. I think this belongs in the CSP spec, though."
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  1051. # [23:27] <Hixie> abarth: k, so i don't have to do anything here?
  1052. # [23:27] <abarth> correct
  1053. # [23:28] <Hixie> excellent
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