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  8. # [00:20] <Hixie> annevk, zewt: did you guys see my e-mail about the 'fetch' algorithm in the thread where you're responding to bz?
  9. # [00:21] <zewt> did but don't recall it, rereading
  10. # [00:21] <Hixie> actually in your case it looks like the miscommunication is about a different issue
  11. # [00:21] <Hixie> bz is talking about links that are in documents that don't have browsing contexts
  12. # [00:22] <Hixie> not about links that are associated with documents that have browsing contexts but that aren't _in_ the document
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  14. # [00:22] <zewt> ah yeah i see the difference
  15. # [00:22] <zewt> so i guess in the a.click() case, it *can't* work, since it doesn't know *what* to navigate?
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  17. # [00:28] <zewt> (and doesn't have anything to navigate, for that matter)
  18. # [00:30] <Hixie> well it definitely can't work
  19. # [00:31] <Hixie> as to why it doesn't... i think a.click() might actually be a special case i should consider more closely
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  24. # [00:38] <Hixie> TabAtkins: don't change [hidden] to ua.css !important!
  25. # [00:38] <Hixie> TabAtkins: i have many times made it have other styles, e.g. opacity:0 with animation
  26. # [00:38] <zewt> why not? i'm tired of having to fix hidden in every page I make, heh
  27. # [00:39] <zewt> really obnoxious that <div hidden class=foo> .foo { display: inline-block; } breaks hidden
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  30. # [00:39] <Hixie> if you can find a solution that doesn't prevent me from using hidden="", please be my guest :-)
  31. # [00:39] <zewt> Hixie: i'd call that something other than hidden :)
  32. # [00:40] <Hixie> why?
  33. # [00:40] <zewt> because they're very different
  34. # [00:40] <Hixie> how are they different
  35. # [00:40] <zewt> because opacity: 0 is still there and affecting layout
  36. # [00:40] <Hixie> what's layout got to do with it
  37. # [00:40] <zewt> what doesn't it :)
  38. # [00:40] <Hixie> say i have a login <section> and an app <section>, and only one is relevant at a time
  39. # [00:40] <Hixie> hidden="" is set on the other one
  40. # [00:41] <Hixie> but i want the two to cross-fade when i switch which is hidden=""
  41. # [00:41] <zewt> not familiar with <section>
  42. # [00:41] <Hixie> <div> then
  43. # [00:42] <zewt> then now you have the "hidden" one still on top, pushing the second one down the page, so now you have to change other things to move it back up
  44. # [00:43] <zewt> (btw/fwiw, you'd probably also want pointer-events: none in that case, and IIRC that isn't supported everywhere yet)
  45. # [00:43] <Hixie> nah you just make the non-hidden one have a positive z-index
  46. # [00:43] <Hixie> and various other things like pointer-events
  47. # [00:43] <Hixie> the point is just that it should be styleable
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  49. # [00:46] <zewt> my point is that the current hidden is "wrong" very often, and people can use a different attribute (data-invisible, or whatever) if they want something else--neither is ideal, but currently it seems like *everyone* has to jump hoops with hidden (anyone combining @hidden with display, anyway, which I hit constantly)
  50. # [00:47] <zewt> if there was a way to say "more important than UA styles, but less important than UA !important styles" then that'd probably be ideal, but I'm guessing that's harder, heh
  51. # [00:47] <zewt> er, less important than user !important styles
  52. # [00:48] <zewt> (i don't know half enough about the details of style resolution to state that accurately)
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  54. # [00:48] <Hixie> you want it to be a higher specificity at the author level
  55. # [00:48] <Hixie> rather than being at the UA level
  56. # [00:48] <Hixie> but yeah
  57. # [00:49] <Hixie> i'm all for a better solution
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  59. # [00:49] <Hixie> i guess we should drop http+aes
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  63. # [01:00] <Hixie> MikeSmith: i tweaked <time>
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  66. # [01:07] <zewt> (FWIW, i tend to think a better solution is to just add another CSS style eg. "rendering: none" that works like display: none, giving us the "hide this element" CSS style that should never have been part of display in the first place)
  67. # [01:08] <zewt> maybe too late for that now :(
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  69. # [01:14] <MikeSmith> Hixie: yeah just saw the checkin for that
  70. # [01:14] <MikeSmith> thanks
  71. # [01:14] * MikeSmith updates his <time> validation patch
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  85. # [01:48] <zewt> (though I suppose if it's not too late to change [hidden] to display: none !important, then it wouldn't be too late to change it to a different style, either--same effect)
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  96. # [02:09] <tantek> Hixie, how did you tweak time?
  97. # [02:09] <tantek> <time> that is
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  108. # [02:58] <MikeSmith> tantek: he just added a restriction that if you have just a year -- like <time>2011</time> -- it has to be 4 digits and it has to be greater than 1 (0001 or after)
  109. # [02:59] <tantek> why only 4 digits?
  110. # [02:59] <tantek> or is it 4+ digits?
  111. # [02:59] * tantek is a member of longnow.org :)
  112. # [02:59] <MikeSmith> because it's consistent with the requirements for years elsewhere in the spec
  113. # [02:59] <MikeSmith> ah yeah, I meant 4+ digitis
  114. # [02:59] <tantek> "elsewhere in the spec" ?!?
  115. # [02:59] <MikeSmith> yeah
  116. # [03:00] <MikeSmith> there are other places in date-time values where you can have years...
  117. # [03:00] <MikeSmith> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7434&to=7435
  118. # [03:00] <tantek> can we put "the requirements for years" in *one* place (e.g. with <time> or microsyntax) and then reference it instead of having there be "requirements for years elsewhere in the spec" ?
  119. # [03:00] <tantek> in other words, if you know of specific "requirements for years elsewhere in the spec", please provide URLs to those other places so we can fix them to use a reference rather than duplicating requirements.
  120. # [03:01] <tantek> at least it's 4+ digits
  121. # [03:01] <tantek> that's good
  122. # [03:01] <MikeSmith> feel free to do that if you want to take the time man
  123. # [03:01] <tantek> I don't know of any
  124. # [03:01] <tantek> you asserted the existence thereof
  125. # [03:01] <tantek> hence why I asked you
  126. # [03:01] <tantek> I'm happy to file the bugs accordingly
  127. # [03:01] <tantek> if you mention the URLs when you see them
  128. # [03:01] <tantek> otherwise I'll just pretend there are no requirements for years elsewhere in the spec
  129. # [03:01] <MikeSmith> I suggest reading the spec
  130. # [03:01] <MikeSmith> in general
  131. # [03:02] <MikeSmith> and I'm fine with you pretending that
  132. # [03:02] <tantek> I think I forgot a ;) in there somewhere :)
  133. # [03:02] <tantek> I prefer to read the spec "as needed"
  134. # [03:03] <tantek> and thus unimportant parts get ignored, hopefully unimplemented, and eventually hopefully dropped accordingly.
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  148. # [03:39] <Hixie> tantek: (the requirements for years are in two, maybe three places, because they're shorter than the name i would use to refer to a generic definition :-P)
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  151. # [03:41] <tantek> oh that's a decent excuse. ok fine. :)
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  167. # [04:25] <TabAtkins> Hixie: I assume in your responsive thread, you meant to say "Not without good reason"?
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  169. # [04:31] <TabAtkins> zewt: That's not necessarily true. If people are currently reading el.style.display, for example, that'll still return "none" in my suggestion.
  170. # [04:31] <TabAtkins> zewt: But, unrelated to hidden, yes, we should absolutely have some property that does the display:none thing without being tied into display.
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  174. # [04:57] <zewt> TabAtkins: i mean it'd break pages that have CSS expecting <div hidden class=x> .x { display: block; } to be displayed
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  177. # [05:16] <Hixie> TabAtkins: probably :-)
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  189. # [06:23] <MikeSmith> fyi "W3C Bugzilla will be down starting at 20:00 UTC on 2012-10-09 for an upgrade"
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  234. # [10:18] <Ms2ger> document.implementation.createDocument(null, null, null).documentElement
  235. # [10:18] <Ms2ger> annevk, null or non-null?
  236. # [10:19] <annevk> "null" per spec
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  238. # [10:20] <Ms2ger> documentElement is a string? :)
  239. # [10:20] <annevk> well you know what I mean
  240. # [10:20] <annevk> if we make null work we should just make the arguments optional altogether
  241. # [10:20] <annevk> but maybe a better approach is making new Document() work
  242. # [10:21] <Ms2ger> Wouldn't necessarily mind that
  243. # [10:21] <annevk> the constructor?
  244. # [10:21] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  245. # [10:21] <Ms2ger> But right now I'm looking at what browsers do here :)
  246. # [10:21] <annevk> okay
  247. # [10:21] <annevk> WebKit has the optional stuff I guess
  248. # [10:22] <annevk> by virtue of their old bindings
  249. # [10:22] <Ms2ger> AFAICT, nobody creates an element for a null qualifiedName
  250. # [10:23] <MikeSmith> annevk: btw I made a new bugzilla component for URL under the whatwg product
  251. # [10:23] <annevk> cool
  252. # [10:24] * annevk updates spec
  253. # [10:25] <Ms2ger> Gecko throws if you pass a null qualifiedName and a non-null namespace
  254. # [10:25] <Ms2ger> IE appears to throw if you pass a null or empty qualifiedName and a non-null namespace
  255. # [10:25] <Ms2ger> WebKit and Opera don't throw
  256. # [10:26] <Ms2ger> Neither does the spec, so I'd leave that alone
  257. # [10:27] <annevk> hmm
  258. # [10:27] <annevk> the spec already allows for omitting the element by setting qualifiedName to the empty string
  259. # [10:27] <annevk> so we'd just be adding null to that conditional?
  260. # [10:28] <Ms2ger> Yep
  261. # [10:28] <annevk> and appending ? to DOMString
  262. # [10:28] <annevk> k will do that now
  263. # [10:28] <Ms2ger> Or TreatNullAs=EmptyString
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  265. # [10:29] <annevk> ah yeah, I hate that syntax, but okay
  266. # [10:29] <annevk> it's nicer to not change the prose
  267. # [10:31] <annevk> Ms2ger: fixed
  268. # [10:31] <Ms2ger> Thanks :)
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  275. # [10:51] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: there's a couple bugs you re-assigned to me that I wasn't sure what I needed to do with, so I moved them to resolved-needsinfo with a comment
  276. # [10:51] <Ms2ger> Oh, are you the default assignee for Unwelcome?
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  278. # [10:52] <MikeSmith> aha
  279. # [10:52] <MikeSmith> yeah, that's why
  280. # [10:52] <MikeSmith> OK
  281. # [10:52] <MikeSmith> I'll figure out what to do with those
  282. # [10:53] <annevk> what's Unwelcome?
  283. # [10:54] <Ms2ger> The component where we stick editorless bugs
  284. # [11:02] <annevk> ah okay
  285. # [11:02] <annevk> should maybe link that from specs_todo
  286. # [11:03] <annevk> that's https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WHATWG&component=Unwelcome&;resolution=--- I guess?
  287. # [11:04] <annevk> man
  288. # [11:04] <annevk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17659 hahaha
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  292. # [11:43] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: spec's source says "Opera supported this quirk (copied from IE), but then dropped it because it broke sites that expected IE's different margin collapsing or Firefox's non-support for the quirk, or some such, and was thus dropped."
  293. # [11:44] <zcorpan> a grep founds some matches, but it seems we're screwed either way, so might as well drop it
  294. # [11:46] <zcorpan> (the grep i ran doesn't differentiate between normal text and css, so some of the matches might not be css at all)
  295. # [11:46] <tantek> annevk - why is that bug marked "Product: WHATWG" ?
  296. # [11:47] <Ms2ger> Because that's where the Unwelcome component lives
  297. # [11:48] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, that's pretty much a constant around here, no? :)
  298. # [11:48] <Ms2ger> (Being screwed either way)
  299. # [11:48] <tantek> whoa, what? "where the Unwelcome component lives" ?!?
  300. # [11:49] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: maybe you are :-P
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  303. # [11:50] <annevk> tantek: WHATWG/Unwelcome is for some leftover bugs that didn't fit elsewhere, not sure why that one is classified as such, but it appears to be filed against it as history doesn't show products/components changing
  304. # [11:50] <annevk> tantek: WHATWG as a product exists because the W3C allows us usage of their infrastructure
  305. # [11:51] <annevk> e.g. that's why http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/ exists too
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  343. # [16:37] <smaug____> when was ErrorEvent added to the spec
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  345. # [16:51] <Ms2ger> When onerror was specced?
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  349. # [17:09] <smaug____> Ms2ger: I'd assume onerror was spec'ed way before ErrorEvent
  350. # [17:10] <smaug____> is there some easy way to see the blame for the spec
  351. # [17:10] <smaug____> "Thus, error reports propagate up to the chain of dedicated workers up to the original Document, even if some of the workers along this chain have been terminated and garbage collected."
  352. # [17:10] <smaug____> huh
  353. # [17:11] <smaug____> but I'm not going to care about workers for now
  354. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/blame.r6666
  355. # [17:13] <Ms2ger> smaug____, http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=2881&to=2882
  356. # [17:15] <smaug____> ah, is errorevent for workers only
  357. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> Apparently?
  358. # [17:18] <smaug____> but looks like the spec is just wrong here
  359. # [17:19] <smaug____> but not about ErrorEvent but on error handling in general
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  361. # [17:29] <Hixie> it's always possible
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  451. # [22:13] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Main page says prod annevk (who isn't around) or Hixie
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  454. # [22:20] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: Ah, that's simple. Thanks.
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