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  38. # [05:13] <Hixie> You are the assignee for the bug.
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  40. # [05:13] <Hixie> You are watching someone on the CC list of the bug.
  41. # [05:13] <Hixie> You are watching the reporter of the bug.
  42. # [05:14] * Hixie . o O ( looks like I have all the bases covered )
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  47. # [05:42] <Hixie> jgraham: feedback on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16801 would be helpful
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  234. # [10:31] <annevk> GPHemsley: we do and that's not a reason to add more :-)
  235. # [10:32] <annevk> GPHemsley: in fact, for encodings we actively try to remove those from implementations to reduce complexity
  236. # [10:32] <annevk> GPHemsley: remove those that can be removed*
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  248. # [11:09] <asmodai> So coming back to that Chrome / Sony website password saving, seems the HTML has autocomplete="off" which Chrome is honouring.
  249. # [11:10] <asmodai> And the other person used Opera which did save it, does that mean Opera's ignoring that part?
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  253. # [11:42] <Stevef> FYI submitted patch to add <main> to webkit https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103172
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  265. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> Oh wow
  266. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> select.options == select in IE?!
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  350. # [18:27] <GPHemsley> annevk: My point is, the fact that we have "too many" is not a convincing enough argument. I want to know what the actual flaws in EOT are.
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  353. # [18:30] <Ms2ger> GPHemsley, you need a stronger case to add a format to the web platform forever than just not seeing obvious flaws
  354. # [18:32] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: EOT is supported by at least one browser and there is a number of content on the Web that uses it. I'm not seeing the distinction between this and many other things that were implemented.
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  356. # [18:33] <Ms2ger> It's implemented by just one browser, and I haven't heard of pressure on other browsers to implement it
  357. # [18:34] * Philip` thought EOT had dodgy patent issues (plus a pretty rubbish specification which consists largely of fragments of C code)
  358. # [18:34] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: But is there not a substantial number of workarounds to serve EOT only to IE?
  359. # [18:34] <Ms2ger> Sorry?
  360. # [18:35] <GPHemsley> Philip`: Patent issues is one thing; specifications with mostly fragments of C code seem to be pretty common, unfortunately.
  361. # [18:35] <Ms2ger> If people serve EOT only to IE, there certainly is no case for other browsers to implement it
  362. # [18:35] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: I know there's a font-face workaround for something about IE; I just don't remember what it is.
  363. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> I vaguely seem to remember old IEs didn't understand the format() thingy
  364. # [18:36] <GPHemsley> ah
  365. # [18:36] <GPHemsley> There's also the fact that EOT is mentioned in css3-fonts
  366. # [18:37] <Ms2ger> I hope you don't mind me saying that css3-fonts is quite the dodgy spec :)
  367. # [18:37] <GPHemsley> You are free to say whatever you want; I'm just gathering information. :)
  368. # [18:38] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: But could you elaborate?
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  370. # [18:40] <Ms2ger> Let's say I hope that http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Nov/0305.html isn't representative for the entire spec
  371. # [18:40] * Ms2ger sees "Layout engines often convert base character plus combining character sequences into precomposed characters if they exist."
  372. # [18:45] <GPHemsley> so your main objection to the spec is that it doesn't actually say what UAs are *supposed to* do, it just says what they *sometimes* do?
  373. # [18:46] <zewt> (sounds like a description of some of the worst specs i've had to read)
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  375. # [18:48] <GPHemsley> hmm... found this: http://novemberborn.net/2008/07/sifr3web-fonts-eot-140
  376. # [18:49] <GPHemsley> http://novemberborn.net/2008/07/sifr3web-fonts-eot-140#comment-1097 makes an argument against
  377. # [18:50] <zewt> neon green background hurts my eyes
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  379. # [18:56] <GPHemsley> hmm... there seems to be very little input/discussion about CSS fonts in general
  380. # [18:56] <GPHemsley> there is a whole www-font mailing list that basically just gets John Daggett's CCs from www-style
  381. # [19:01] <GPHemsley> background on the patent issue: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2012JanMar/0013.html
  382. # [19:03] <GPHemsley> If anyone is considering registering a new media type, this may help: http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype
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  384. # [19:06] <GPHemsley> wow, even the IETF mailing list archives are stuck in the past...
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  391. # [19:29] * AryehGregor seems to have misplaced his editing repo somehow, how did that happen?
  392. # [19:29] <AryehGregor> Oh, good, I have a github mirror.
  393. # [19:30] <AryehGregor> Yay for DVCS!
  394. # [19:30] * AryehGregor doesn't know how the repo on his server vanished, though, WTF
  395. # [19:32] * AryehGregor finds it
  396. # [19:32] * AryehGregor has not touched this setup in six months and is very confused
  397. # [19:33] <AryehGregor> Oh, wow, I forgot how complicated it is to add a lousy test. Sigh!
  398. # [19:34] * AryehGregor leaves it for tomorrow
  399. # [19:35] <AryehGregor> Ooh, and the spec is totally broken for this case. Yay!
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  456. # [22:57] <annevk> AryehGregor: if you want github.com/whatwg/editing and editing.spec.whatwg.org, let me know
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  458. # [22:58] <annevk> GPHemsley: basically, we want to support as few features as possible as every feature has quite a big cost
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  460. # [22:59] <annevk> GPHemsley: since only Microsoft does EOT, just as with their old filters or VML, it's not really gonna happen and will save everyone a bunch of trouble figuring out how it works
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