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  5. # [00:02] <annevk> Ah yeah, HTTP headers are unordered I suppose, but order matters for duplicates at least...
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  7. # [00:07] <Hixie> order matters for dupes in html attributes too
  8. # [00:07] <Hixie> at parse time :-)
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  206. # [04:20] <Hixie> annevk: how do i fullscreen with keyboard enabled??
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  214. # [04:58] <Hixie> firefox doesn't support vh yet?
  215. # [04:58] <Hixie> :-(
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  217. # [05:02] <Hixie> and wtf are event.x and event.y in MouseEvent in chrome
  218. # [05:02] <zewt> everyone knows what the world needs most is: more coordinate systems in pointer events
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  221. # [05:13] <Hixie> also why is chrome sending me a bogus 'mouseover' event on load
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  225. # [05:28] <Hixie> oh man i wish .style was string settable
  226. # [05:28] <Hixie> every
  227. # [05:28] <Hixie> time
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  229. # [05:35] <Hixie> man, how is linear-gradient still only prefixed
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  237. # [06:25] <jwalden> Hixie: vh/vw/vmin/vmax they're supported in nightlies
  238. # [06:25] <Hixie> ah, excellent
  239. # [06:25] <jwalden> a recent landing
  240. # [06:26] <Hixie> the only other problem i had with firefox was that position:absolute-ing a <textarea> wouldn't affect its size
  241. # [06:26] <Hixie> can't work out why
  242. # [06:26] <Hixie> (same problem in opera; works in webkit)
  243. # [06:27] <jwalden> zewt: of coarse!
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  245. # [06:27] <jwalden> a little late to respond, but a late pun is better than no pun
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  268. # [08:14] <MikeSmith> Hixie: thinking about outlines . did anybody ever propose the idea of providing a way for a document to display its own outline?
  269. # [08:15] <MikeSmith> essentialy, having the browser be able to natively render and insert the outline at some point in the document
  270. # [08:16] <MikeSmith> in the way that anolis or whatever generate a ToC and add it, during postprocessing
  271. # [08:16] <MikeSmith> but instead not as postprocessing
  272. # [08:17] <MikeSmith> and not relying on custom script or a script library to add it
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  274. # [08:17] <MikeSmith> I'm not saying I think it would be a good idea necessarily to have such a feature
  275. # [08:18] <MikeSmith> just wondering if there was ever any serious discussion about it
  276. # [08:18] <MikeSmith> because for one thing if browser were to ever implement support for the outline algorithm, that case would seem to be the main case for it
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  284. # [08:40] <SimonSapin> MikeSmith: not quite "the web", but WeasyPrint makes PDF from web pages and adds an "outline" which is metadata that PDF viewers often show in a sidebar
  285. # [08:41] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: thanks
  286. # [08:41] <SimonSapin> there is also some demand to have a TOC automatically generated in the document
  287. # [08:42] <MikeSmith> yeah I was thinking about it in the context of people saying that no browsers have implemented the outline algorithm
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  289. # [08:43] <MikeSmith> which yeah none of them have, but then there's no feature in the spec yet that actually exposes the outline to Web content or to Web authors
  290. # [08:43] <MikeSmith> so browsers don't really have anything to implement
  291. # [08:43] <SimonSapin> In WeasyPrint this is not based on the outline algorithm but on CSS bookmark-level http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-gcpm/#bookmarks which by default is <h1> ... <h6>
  292. # [08:44] <MikeSmith> yeah of course that works fine if you document doesn't use nested sections
  293. # [08:44] <SimonSapin> and some fixups to get a proper tree out of a sequence of level that can be non-sense
  294. # [08:44] <MikeSmith> section elements
  295. # [08:44] <MikeSmith> ok
  296. # [08:45] <MikeSmith> so anyway I can imagine that authors might like to have a way to automatically include a generated outline in a document
  297. # [08:45] <MikeSmith> including a ToC being the most common case
  298. # [08:46] <SimonSapin> yes, for printed stuff this is a big demand
  299. # [08:46] <MikeSmith> but I can't remember actually ever hearing many authors asking for it on the whatwg list or elsewhere
  300. # [08:49] <SimonSapin> for the web not as much I guess. But WeasyPrint/PrinceXML/Antenna House are tools for printing that happen to take HTML/CSS as input more than web browsers
  301. # [08:50] <SimonSapin> (although … http://weasyprint.org/docs/tutorial/#weasyprint-navigator :)
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  306. # [09:01] <SimonSapin> MikeSmith: maybe an automated toc/outline could be a WebComponent, though I have to read up on what that is
  307. # [09:02] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: I think for the non-Web case we don't need that feature as port of the browser engine
  308. # [09:03] <MikeSmith> because those are sorta really all post-processing tools
  309. # [09:16] <SimonSapin> MikeSmith: eventually (ie. given infinite time to work on it) I’d want to have that in WeasyPrint’s engine, not in a separate processing step. Maybe something you can trigger with CSS
  310. # [09:16] <SimonSapin> but yeah, the use cases are very different from browsers
  311. # [09:16] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  338. # [11:23] <annevk> Hixie: you simply fullscreen
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  348. # [11:57] <Ms2ger> I guess we should define that a Document has an origin
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  353. # [12:16] <annevk> Ms2ger: the main problem is that you need some "HTML knowledge" to figure out which origin to copy
  354. # [12:16] <annevk> Ms2ger: "HTML knowledge" being that the global object has an associated Document object
  355. # [12:16] <Ms2ger> It's all quite tangled, isn't it?
  356. # [12:17] <annevk> This web we weave? Indeed sir, it is tangled.
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  360. # [12:50] <annevk> Did I mention I dislike percent encoding?
  361. # [12:52] <Ms2ger> You might have
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  369. # [13:25] <annevk> SimonSapin: percent decode will be defined to be what you wanted it to mean
  370. # [13:27] <annevk> So the only difference between urlencoded and query is that the former does magic with U+0020
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  503. # [22:59] <yroc> Hi all, I'm trying to write up some rationale in the wiki WRT content models
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  505. # [22:59] <yroc> For one thing, I notice that flow content and palpable content are defined only by extension (listing of members).
  506. # [22:59] <yroc> No intensional definitions for these categories
  507. # [23:00] <yroc> Trying to understand meaning/motivation for these categories...
  508. # [23:00] <yroc> any pointers?
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  528. # [23:47] <Hixie> poor yroc
  529. # [23:47] <Hixie> we keep missing each other
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