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  49. # [02:22] <GPHemsley> You know, I'm surprised all these "don't use X, it's too inconsistent" posts haven't made their way to HTML yet
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  52. # [02:22] <GPHemsley> (All values of X are generally old technologies that have evolved over a significant period of time: PHP, MySQL, etc.)
  53. # [02:23] <GPHemsley> They don't have the benefit of using years of experience to engineer away the problems and inconsistencies
  54. # [02:23] <Philip`> I thought that made its way to HTML ages ago, and led to XHTML
  55. # [02:23] <Philip`> but we've got over that now
  56. # [02:23] <GPHemsley> well, these posts post-date XHTML, but OK
  57. # [02:24] <Philip`> I expect nobody actually likes HTML, but most people have just got tired of complaining about it
  58. # [02:25] <GPHemsley> the Internet never tires of complaining
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  60. # [02:26] <Hixie> GPHemsley: yeah, i couldn't work out a way to make hex, "season 1 episode 1", version numbers, IP addresses, 1.245e12, $1.23, and 1.23kg all sort correctly with one algorithm, so i had to punt on one and a half of those (hex and two-part version numbers)
  61. # [02:28] <Philip`> What about IPv6 addresses?
  62. # [02:31] <Hixie> they're hex
  63. # [02:34] <Philip`> Not really, since you'd want 2001:db8::1:1 < 2001:db8::2:2 < 2001:db8::1:1:1
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  65. # [02:36] <Philip`> Oh, you said hex was one of the things that didn't work, and they're not just hex but they are partially hex, so I suppose that's already covered :-(
  66. # [02:36] * Philip` shouldn't IRC when tired
  67. # [02:39] <Hixie> i hear ya
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  69. # [03:02] <zewt> some cases are logically incompatible with other cases, so yeah, gotta pick a subset
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  101. # [04:42] <zewt> death to specs that screaming case MUST
  102. # [04:42] <zewt> was: re: readability matters
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  105. # [04:44] <zewt> also it's 2013 and i'm still having to read ietf specs optimized for 80x66 fixed-width printers
  106. # [04:45] <zewt> i have a mental image of the people writing ietf specs printing them out on their daisywheel printers for proofreading
  107. # [04:46] <Hixie> zewt: they're not optimised for printers, so much as teletypes.
  108. # [04:46] <Hixie> (...which is worse)
  109. # [04:54] <othermaciej> I don't like boldface but lowercase must either
  110. # [04:54] <othermaciej> I think small caps must is not so bad
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  114. # [04:59] <Hixie> i like "must"
  115. # [04:59] <zewt> just writing it in plain english is fine and doesn't make my mind stop and scream the word in my head every time
  116. # [05:00] <zewt> any kind of caps induces a pause and "MUST!!!!!!!!!" in my head as i'm reading, which is pretty catastrophic when i'm just trying to find out what something is supposed to do
  117. # [05:01] <zewt> relatedly, i can't read wikipedia without a user style to hide superscripts, because apparently they think having a footnote number every 3 words is somehow okay
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  247. # [12:15] <annevk> In HTML, where did the note go that localization of applications has to be done server-side
  248. # [12:15] <annevk> ?
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  252. # [12:24] <annevk> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=3980&to=3981
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  254. # [12:31] <krijn_> Hey annevk, how's the UK so far?
  255. # [12:32] <annevk> krijn_: pretty good
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  257. # [12:33] <annevk> krijn: quite used to living here actually, even though it's been just a month now
  258. # [12:33] <annevk> krijn: how's Brighton?
  259. # [12:34] <krijn> Pretty good
  260. # [12:34] <krijn> Quite used already, even though it's been just a week :)
  261. # [12:34] <krijn> Without any furniture, but heck
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  266. # [12:50] <annevk> Same same, but a bad and and some wall-closet space seems sufficient
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  268. # [12:50] <annevk> euh, bed, bath, and wall-closet space*
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  271. # [12:57] <MikeSmith_> 🍺
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  277. # [13:07] <annevk> MikeSmith: yes
  278. # [13:07] <annevk> :-)
  279. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> I grabbed that from a message that brew emits now when it's done updating
  280. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> I dunno how long it's been doing that
  281. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> didn't notice it til today
  282. # [13:10] <MikeSmith> fun to see that in the console
  283. # [13:10] <MikeSmith> unfortunately just shows up as the replacement character in my irssi
  284. # [13:12] <krijn> annevk: the gf disagrees :)
  285. # [13:13] <MikeSmith> hmm yeah it seems screen(1) doesn't handle it
  286. # [13:14] <annevk> I tried to buy a TV yesterday and a sound bar, but that requires first having someone come over to see if they can install it on the wall at all
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  288. # [13:14] <annevk> so for now I'll settle for the electro at Joe & The Juice
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  295. # [13:24] <krijn> Man, I can't even get a proper internet connection
  296. # [13:25] <annevk> I have to wait a couple more days for that too...
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  342. # [15:59] <jgraham> So what's the deal? Is *.nl moving to the uk?
  343. # [15:59] <jgraham> Don't tell UKIP...
  344. # [16:03] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I think all the WebSockets tests under submissions/Opera/interfaces/ are converted now
  345. # [16:04] <jgraham> Just cookies/ and unload-a-document/ left to go
  346. # [16:04] <jgraham> (i.e. the non-trivial ones :)
  347. # [16:04] <jgraham> Also I seem to have broken critic in some way so no pull requests are getting through at the moment
  348. # [16:04] <jgraham> Might look into that more later
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  380. # [17:58] <MikeSmith> jgraham: ok
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  439. # [21:06] <jgraham> OK, all but one WebSockets test should be updated now
  440. # [21:07] <jgraham> But I think the cookies ones might ahve got broken in the conversion
  441. # [21:07] <jgraham> I need to ask zcorpan to have a look when he's around
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  444. # [21:16] <Ms2ger> http://i.imgur.com/kHWtqeq.jpg
  445. # [21:17] <odinho> O_O Little heartbroken foxy.
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  465. # [22:24] <GPHemsley> How long until we get single-line comments in CSS?
  466. # [22:24] * GPHemsley runs and hides.
  467. # [22:24] <annevk> I wonder why online furniture shops don't let you search by size
  468. # [22:24] <annevk> That'd be really useful
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  470. # [22:27] <jgraham> GPHemsley: It's OK, making // at the start of a line valid would break the web and the CSS WG are far too responsible to evev consider that
  471. # [22:27] <jgraham> No, wait...
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