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  28. # [01:04] <Hixie> rillian: does http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2013-January/038705.html still represent the current state of mozilla's metadata-in-video API work?
  29. # [01:06] <rillian> Hixie: yes
  30. # [01:07] <Hixie> thanks
  31. # [01:07] <rillian> which is to say, I haven't done further work on it
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  82. # [02:56] <zewt> idb thread cc fail
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  88. # [03:07] <jgraham> Ms2ger: yes, it is the reviewer's responsibility to reopen any issues that weren't actually addressed by the commit (although of course it is polite if the code author helps them out)
  89. # [03:10] <jgraham> zcorpan: I didn't really understand your use case, since it seems like you will always be inside another (async_)step when you might do the thing that returns the value you want. But it seems strictly better than the current API
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  286. # [11:23] <Steve____> FYI: there will be a bug opened by chaals against the html spec about changing the conformance requirments for @longdesc, could you deal with it? as I woul;d like to stay at arms length from it given my roles as a11y chair and the controversy surrounding it
  287. # [11:25] <Steve____> oops wrong window ;-)
  288. # [11:26] <Steve____> darobin_: thats for you
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  324. # [13:08] <MikeSmith> kochi: here now
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  331. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> anybody have a link to the draft that defines custom elements?
  332. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> for Web Components
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  334. # [13:36] <MikeSmith> nm
  335. # [13:36] <MikeSmith> found it
  336. # [13:37] <MikeSmith> next question: Is there yet a spec that actually defines the <decorator> element?
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  338. # [13:41] <JohnAlbin> MikeSmith: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
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  344. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> JohnAlbin: thanks
  345. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> but note, that's non-normative
  346. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> it seems Dimitri has yet to write the actual normative draft for it
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  353. # [14:14] <JohnAlbin> I just happened to have that doc open in my browser. :-)
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  357. # [14:25] <zcorpan> what is the correct output of new RegExp('').source per spec?
  358. # [14:28] <zcorpan> and new RegExp('/').source ?
  359. # [14:28] <zcorpan> "The source property of the newly constructed object is set to S.", ES5 says
  360. # [14:29] <zcorpan> two paragraphs above, it says S is to be escaped in some way, but isn't particularly exact
  361. # [14:29] <zcorpan> "For example, if P is "/", then S could be "\/" or "\u002F", among other possibilities"
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  365. # [14:32] <zcorpan> http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-15.10.5 has the same text
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  368. # [14:34] <hasather> zcorpan: V8 has a bug it seems, https://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=1982
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  374. # [14:43] <zcorpan> well, sent an email to es-discuss
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  378. # [14:47] <hasather> zcorpan: what's not clear by the spec?
  379. # [14:47] <zcorpan> hasather: what .source should be when Pattern is something that needs to be escaped, e.g. empty string, a slash, a newline
  380. # [14:48] <hasather> zcorpan: it says something about both those cases
  381. # [14:49] <zcorpan> hasather: the spec gives *two* examples of what to do for a slash, and no specific requirements
  382. # [14:51] <hasather> zcorpan: isn't "The characters / occurring in the pattern shall be escaped in S as necessary to ensure that the String value formed by concatenating the Strings "/", S, "/", and F can be parsed (in an appropriate lexical context) as a RegularExpressionLiteral that behaves identically to the constructed regular expression." a requirement?
  383. # [14:52] <zewt> that gives me interop twitches (why doesn't it specify exactly how to escape it?)
  384. # [14:52] <zcorpan> hasather: yes, it is, but it gives multiple choices
  385. # [14:53] <zcorpan> what zewt said
  386. # [14:53] <zewt> specs should specify what to do, not what the end result should be
  387. # [14:53] <hasather> zcorpan: zewt: right, it would be better if it just specified. Agreed. :)
  388. # [14:54] <zcorpan> not surprisingly, browsers suck in this area
  389. # [14:54] <zcorpan> when specs give a clear algorithm, browsers tend to implement the algorithm
  390. # [14:55] <hasather> zcorpan: apart from the V8 bug, do browsers differ in this specific case?
  391. # [14:55] <zcorpan> with text like this saying "yeah you should do the right thing, y'know!", the implementor probably goes "yeah whatever" and moves on to the next thing
  392. # [14:55] <zcorpan> for \n, opera/chrome/firefox all give a literal new line as .source even though it violates the requirement
  393. # [14:56] <zcorpan> so they don't differ, but they don't conform to the spec
  394. # [14:56] <zcorpan> for / and the empty string, they do differ, actually
  395. # [14:56] <zcorpan> firefox and opera returns empty string for empty string
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  397. # [14:57] <zcorpan> opera and firefox return \/ for /, chrome returns /
  398. # [14:57] <zewt> my chrome gives \/
  399. # [14:57] <zewt> for console.log(/\//.source) (checking that I'm looking at the right thing)
  400. # [14:58] <zcorpan> zewt: try new RegExp('/').source
  401. # [14:59] <zewt> yeah that does it ... why are they different? maybe /foo/ just copies in the actual literal
  402. # [15:00] <zewt> i guess that points to another thing that might be different and/or cause compat issues--is it okay to always re-escape from scratch in order to meet the requirement, or could changing it when you don't have to (resulting in new RegExp(x).source != x) cause compat issues somehow
  403. # [15:03] <zewt> also, this seems like some ancient hack to work around injection issues on sites, but that might be irrelevant to the constructor path anyway (especially if Chrome isn't doing it)
  404. # [15:05] <zewt> if the escaping could be killed for the ctor, then you might not need anything special for literals; just say "let .source be the exact literal", since the literal itself must have been escaped in the first place
  405. # [15:05] <zewt> anyhow, off to work
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  415. # [15:44] <darobin> Ms2ger: I can close this without taking it, right? https://github.com/w3c/testharness.js/pull/13
  416. # [15:44] <darobin> since I fixed it on the server
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  418. # [15:46] <Ms2ger> darobin, yes
  419. # [15:46] <darobin> Ms2ger: cool
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  421. # [15:49] <jgraham_> darobin: Can you mark your webidl parser issues somehow? I just endured several seconds of confusion :)
  422. # [15:49] <darobin> jgraham_: sorry man
  423. # [15:49] <darobin> I've just added a label
  424. # [15:50] <darobin> they're actually idlharness — the parser is in another repo
  425. # [15:50] <jgraham_> That also confused me :)
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  427. # [15:51] <darobin> haha
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  429. # [15:52] <jgraham> Ms2ger: You should drop http://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/10
  430. # [15:53] <Ms2ger> jgraham, I think I've done that
  431. # [15:53] <zcorpan> oh, i have to subscribe to es-discuss.
  432. # [15:53] <jgraham> perfect, thanks
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  445. # [16:16] <annevk> was https://plus.google.com/107429617152575897589/posts/iPmatxBYuj2 linked here already?
  446. # [16:16] <annevk> hsivonen: ^^
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  461. # [16:20] <annevk> zcorpan: I think new Date(-0) might have been clarified already or decided upon during the last meeting
  462. # [16:20] <annevk> zcorpan: note that es6-draft.html is out of date
  463. # [16:20] <zcorpan> annevk: ok
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  479. # [16:52] <jwalden> zcorpan: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20130318#l-708 btw
  480. # [16:52] <zcorpan> jwalden: yeah i saw it, thanks
  481. # [16:52] <jwalden> cool
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  483. # [16:53] <zcorpan> i sent an email to es-discuss. annevk said it might have been decided in the last meeting already
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  485. # [16:54] <annevk> I remember reading something about it in the conclusion bits of the minutes
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  488. # [16:58] <jwalden> I can't find anything in March 12-14 or January 30
  489. # [16:58] <jwalden> did see new Date(dateObj) is supposed to clone
  490. # [16:58] <jwalden> but that was the only date-ful stuff I noticed
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  499. # [17:15] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  508. # [17:34] <jwalden> morning
  509. # [17:36] <zcorpan> "somebody would need to develop a proposal that completely specifies the required escaping." - any takers? :-)
  510. # [17:36] <zcorpan> (re RegExp.source)
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  536. # [17:53] <Hixie> btw, i posted https://plus.google.com/u/0/107429617152575897589/posts/iPmatxBYuj2 (re drm)
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  538. # [17:55] <annevk5> Hixie: old news :p
  539. # [17:55] <annevk5> great post though
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  558. # [18:17] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: What's the requirements for RegExp.source? The escaping, while not easy, isn't particularly difficult either.
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  584. # [19:00] <karlcow> http://inessential.com/2013/03/18/brians_stupid_feed_tricks
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  614. # [19:43] <GPHemsley> the formatting of TAG IRC logs is terrible
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  620. # [19:50] <marcosc> jamesr: The scheme in the logo uri has been removed from all TR stylesheets.
  621. # [19:50] <marcosc> (you mentioned this as causing problems for http/https docs the other day)
  622. # [19:51] <marcosc> I asked the W3C to fix it, and they did :)
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  624. # [19:51] <marcosc> see: https://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/W3C-ED
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  627. # [20:04] <dglazkov> annevk: you still around?
  628. # [20:04] <annevk> I'm alive
  629. # [20:04] <dglazkov> annevk: are we doing Event.path?
  630. # [20:04] <annevk> just minuted a session on httprange-14
  631. # [20:05] <annevk> dglazkov: dunno, someone suggested it might not be needed if we introduce something else?
  632. # [20:05] <dglazkov> annevk: ok, let me look on bug
  633. # [20:05] <annevk> dglazkov: I'd prefer we get more usage data first with the whole component thing before we add a bunch of features we later regret
  634. # [20:05] <dglazkov> alright
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  638. # [20:12] <jamesr> marcosc, cool! thanks
  639. # [20:13] <jamesr> marcosc, for the record, how did you asked the W3C to fix it?
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  641. # [20:14] <marcosc> jamesr: because I have a bunch of specs that I figured would also be affected
  642. # [20:14] <marcosc> I saw this happen recently in Chrome
  643. # [20:14] <jamesr> yeah, but i'm wondering what you actually did. send an email to some alias?
  644. # [20:14] <jamesr> i dunno how to report a problem like this
  645. # [20:14] <marcosc> ah
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  648. # [20:14] <marcosc> I just emails sysreq@w3.org
  649. # [20:14] <jamesr> aha!
  650. # [20:14] <marcosc> emailed*
  651. # [20:15] <marcosc> they are fairly responsive
  652. # [20:15] <marcosc> otherwise, just annoy MikeSmith or darobin :)
  653. # [20:15] * MikeSmith wakes up
  654. # [20:15] <MikeSmith> whadda need fixing?
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  656. # [20:17] <jamesr> MikeSmith, already been fixed, but the issue was w3c logos loading over http:// for specs hosted on https://
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  658. # [20:17] <MikeSmith> ah yeah
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  660. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> so the general solution when you run into problems is to do what marcosc said
  661. # [20:19] <MikeSmith> that is, ping me or darobin (Robin Berjon) here
  662. # [20:19] <MikeSmith> or e-mail me at mike@w3.org
  663. # [20:19] <MikeSmith> mailing sysreq@w3.org works to but may take longer
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  668. # [20:22] <marcosc> jamesr: syreq takes longer, but MikeSmith charges more
  669. # [20:22] <marcosc> :)
  670. # [20:22] <MikeSmith> I just thrive on the love
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  672. # [20:23] <marcosc> :)
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  674. # [20:24] <jamesr> sounds like a difficult choice
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  711. # [21:40] <MikeSmith> dglazkov: if you're around, I wanted to ask if you have a normative draft for <decorator> yet
  712. # [21:40] <MikeSmith> and if not, when you might have one -- or maybe, who's going to write it?
  713. # [21:40] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: what needs doing is replacing http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20130319#l-382 with an algorithm that states what to replace exactly
  714. # [21:41] <MikeSmith> dglazkov: maybe something that Dominic could work on?
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