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  214. # [11:51] <Ms2ger> Maybe we should tell TC39 that
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  222. # [12:12] <hsivonen> https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/2L0a0B0R130G3u0k0b1y/Layering.pdf looks appealing but fails to discuss the benefits of CSS layout and painting not having to allow JS to plug into points inside the layout and painting process
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  242. # [12:54] <annevk> hsivonen: From talking to wycats__ and slightlyoff it's not necessarily about exposing all the guts. First defining the layering better and second seeing what needs to be exposed and how. The hope is that implementors scream for future-hostile proposals.
  243. # [12:55] <annevk> Which seems pretty reasonable to me.
  244. # [12:55] <annevk> And I think it's something we've been doing to some extent already, although a lot of the focus has been on actually defining things in the first place too...
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  352. # [17:20] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  357. # [17:25] <asmodai> Well, the HTML5 DRM thing now reached defective by design
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  359. # [17:25] <asmodai> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5
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  381. # [18:07] <wycats__> hsivonen: it's not about exposing the guts
  382. # [18:07] <wycats__> in fact, it's explicitly about NOT exposing the guts
  383. # [18:08] <wycats__> it's about defining a layered model that's architecturally sound but which may be implemented and optimized in different ways
  384. # [18:08] <wycats__> which means NOT exposing every single C++ function as a JS hook
  385. # [18:08] <wycats__> (that's what we're doing now :/ )
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  397. # [18:40] <Hixie> asmodai: talk about missing the point
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  404. # [18:58] <Hixie> anyone know how the content model is broken here? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19650
  405. # [18:58] <Hixie> i don't understand the bug report
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  409. # [19:06] <Hixie> cabanier: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19818#c1 last paragraph
  410. # [19:07] <Hixie> Ms2ger: ping https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17844
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  418. # [19:22] <JonathanNeal> Do web browsers download the first half of a video if I tell it to play from the second half on?
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  420. # [19:23] <JonathanNeal> Say I tell a 10 minute video to play from the 5 minute mark, after, say, the loadedmetadata event, can it skip ahead without downloading the first 5 minutes?
  421. # [19:23] <Hixie> depends on many things
  422. # [19:23] <Hixie> browser, protocol used for downloading the file, server capabilities, etc
  423. # [19:24] <JonathanNeal> Hixie: are these written down somewhere in a friendly fashion? even just for a few of them, like which browsers support downloading fragments?
  424. # [19:24] <Hixie> no idea
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  430. # [19:35] <Ms2ger> Hixie, as I said last time, I know nothing :)
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  432. # [19:36] <Hixie> say it in the bug, otherwise i forget :-)
  433. # [19:36] <Hixie> sorry :-)
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  454. # [20:27] <asmodai> Hixie: I didn't create it :)
  455. # [20:27] <asmodai> Hixie: But that's what the term DRM brings to the table nowadays, I guess.
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  476. # [21:20] <cabanier> hixie: thanks!
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  482. # [21:30] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I suspect the commenter doesn't understand "then transparent"
  483. # [21:31] <MikeSmith> what you have is clear enough if you understand what "transparent" means in the spec
  484. # [21:31] <MikeSmith> but I can imagine it being not very clear if you don's
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  488. # [21:45] <MikeSmith> I wish we could get the FSF as interested in examining the W3C document license in the context of what kind of copyright/license for core Web standards is in the public interest.
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