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  16. # [00:20] <danbeam_work> dglazkov, Hixie, hober, jgraham, matjas, othermaciej, ShaneHud1on, TabAtkins, tantek can haz wiki.whatwg.org account to ever-so-slightly edit RequestAutocomplete spec?
  17. # [00:20] <danbeam_work> (http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/RequestAutocomplete)
  18. # [00:21] <othermaciej> I don't think I have the power to make wiki accounts
  19. # [00:22] <danbeam_work> you might want to remove yourself from here then http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/IRC
  20. # [00:22] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: ^
  21. # [00:22] <danbeam_work> as it's in the header to ping somebody on that list
  22. # [00:22] <danbeam_work> doh, wrong list
  23. # [00:23] <othermaciej> wouldn't you want someone labeled "administrator" on this list? http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers%26group%3Dautoconfirmed
  24. # [00:23] <danbeam_work> yes, just found that, my bad
  25. # [00:23] * danbeam_work doesn't see the point of multiple valid link colors
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  27. # [00:23] <danbeam_work> that link looked invalid
  28. # [00:24] <danbeam_work> hsivonen, also ^ (can haz wiki.whatwg.org account?)
  29. # [00:24] <othermaciej> as a side note, it would probably be helpful to for the proposal to explain use cases
  30. # [00:25] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: agreed
  31. # [00:25] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: I'll borrow from some of the other emails we've sent and add on to that for #requestAutocomplete() (i.e. payments for now)
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  33. # [00:26] <othermaciej> I would have thought autocomplete should always be triggered by the UA or the user, not the website
  34. # [00:27] <danbeam_work> (as soon as I get an account, of course)
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  36. # [00:28] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Oct/0274.html "Some examples:"
  37. # [00:28] <danbeam_work> this isn't like autofill or the preview of autofill in chrome now
  38. # [00:29] <danbeam_work> it pops a modal dialog, which I wouldn't trust a UA to know what works for all sites' use cases
  39. # [00:29] <othermaciej> oh hey, I already commented on the email thread on this, assuming it is the same requestAutocomplete()
  40. # [00:29] <danbeam_work> yes
  41. # [00:29] <danbeam_work> it was before I mentioned the use cases, though, IIRC
  42. # [00:31] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: also, re: autofill vs. autocomplete, complete and fill seem to be used interchangeably here and HTML spec calls out autocomplete= for individual fields *and* a whole form, so I doubt they'll be cleanly separated any time soon
  43. # [00:32] <othermaciej> I still think it's a bad idea to let websites initiate autocomplete/autofill as per my earlier message
  44. # [00:32] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: there's a few other points I think we responded to from your email - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Nov/0105.html - it was a while ago, can't really remember
  45. # [00:32] <othermaciej> but I guess that can be discussed on the list
  46. # [00:32] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: probably the best place
  47. # [00:32] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: I should also mention that it's based on user gesture, so it's not solely up to a site
  48. # [00:32] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: it's up to both
  49. # [00:33] <danbeam_work> othermaciej: as it is currently (at least a site author has the ability to *not* to autofill with autocomplete=off)
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  52. # [00:35] <othermaciej> probably not useful to discuss it here since I'm sure many people have an opinion
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  269. # [18:33] <annevk> So I guess I should document the various Fetch policies we have to illustrate we lack logic
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  271. # [18:42] <conspiritech__> is there any one or two line html or css way for me to display a 'no svg support' error for an image but have it not be read by screen reader?
  272. # [18:47] <conspiritech__> like an alt text except that only sighted users see it would be ideal
  273. # [18:51] <annevk> Are there still user agents without SVG support?
  274. # [18:52] <conspiritech__> IE8
  275. # [18:52] <conspiritech__> and anyone with compatibility mode on accidentally such as my dad
  276. # [18:52] <annevk> I think Firefox might have some proprietary way to do that.
  277. # [18:53] <annevk> The requirement that a screen reader does not see it makes a standardized way hard given the constrain of HTML/CSS
  278. # [18:54] <conspiritech__> i only have one sag, but i imagine if they were suddenly beset by dozens of svg alt text error messages they wouldn't be happy
  279. # [18:54] <annevk> you could do <object data=svg><img src=svgnotsupportedmessage></object> maybe
  280. # [18:55] <conspiritech__> around this " <div><img id="topimg" src="images/logo3.svg" alt="logo company name" /></div>
  281. # [18:56] <conspiritech__> where does that go?
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  283. # [18:59] <conspiritech__> oh i think i see
  284. # [19:00] <conspiritech__> just after or something
  285. # [19:01] <conspiritech__> never heard of <object> before
  286. # [19:01] <conspiritech__> thanks
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  296. # [19:18] <annevk> yw
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  298. # [19:19] <conspiritech> did not work the way I tried it. but I've spent too much time on it
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  316. # [20:09] <annevk> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HTTP_Fetch_Policy is what I have thus far
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  334. # [21:27] <odinho> Oh FSF found out about EME -- http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5
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  365. # [23:10] <Hixie> asmodai: yeah, i didn't mean to say you were missing the point :-)
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  367. # [23:11] <Hixie> MikeSmith: ah, yeah, transparent could be the issue...
  368. # [23:11] <Hixie> MikeSmith: no idea how to make that better :-(
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  386. # [23:44] <MikeSmith> Hixie: me neither
  387. # [23:44] <MikeSmith> dude just needs to follow the "transparent" link
  388. # [23:48] <asmodai> Hixie: Didn't take your sentence as such :)
  389. # [23:48] <asmodai> So no worries ^^
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