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  28. # [00:51] <MikeSmith> rillian: a TextTrack object with default values for any properties that have defaults
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  30. # [00:52] <MikeSmith> or undefined?
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  42. # [01:15] <smaug____> is whatwg.org down?
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  47. # [01:16] <smaug____> ah, works now
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  61. # [01:44] <Jasper> Down again?
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  63. # [01:51] <zewt> ... who would think that browsers can't generate a securely random token? heh
  64. # [01:52] <jamesr> 4
  65. # [01:52] <zewt> 4 people?
  66. # [01:52] <jamesr> no 4 - chosen by a fair dice roll
  67. # [01:53] <jamesr> more seriously, what about https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.crypto.getRandomValues ?
  68. # [01:53] <jamesr> chrome 11+, firefox 21+
  69. # [01:53] <jamesr> safari ????
  70. # [01:54] <zewt> i mean, sicking guessed that there was a concern that browsers couldn't generate securely-random blob urls, i'm just wondering who would actually think that, heh
  71. # [01:54] <jamesr> oh heh. well they ship an API that's supposed to generate securely-random values to JS, so they'd better have a way to do it
  72. # [01:54] <zewt> on a technical level if you don't have a secure prng, you probably can't even do tls
  73. # [01:54] <jamesr> maybe you could point him at that API
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  95. # [02:27] <Hixie_> Jasper: yeah, see dreamhoststatus.com for updates
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  97. # [02:27] <Jasper> Aha, thanks.
  98. # [02:28] <zewt> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/whatwg.org
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  319. # [12:27] <annevk> beverloo: too pedantic for Twitter: they could have named it in a camelcase way ;-)
  320. # [12:28] <beverloo> perhaps, there's an inconsistent mix between lowercase and camelcase right now
  321. # [12:28] <darobin> that would make a great tagline
  322. # [12:28] <darobin> "AnneVK — Too Pedantic For Twitter"
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  324. # [12:55] <jgraham> I thought that was Ms2ger
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  355. # [14:45] <zcorpan> anyone with IE9+ around?
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  357. # [14:47] <jgraham> Yeah, kind of, if I switch computers
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  359. # [14:48] <zcorpan> i'm wondering what this logs: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2184
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  361. # [14:49] <jgraham> 600px
  362. # [14:52] <zcorpan> jgraham: thanks
  363. # [14:53] <zcorpan> so opera implements the spec, everyone else doesn't
  364. # [14:55] <jgraham> unpossible
  365. # [14:57] <zcorpan> inorite
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  370. # [15:12] <darobin> does anyone recall something about it being bad for a random third party to mint their own values for @role?
  371. # [15:12] <darobin> ISTR a discussion in which it was frowned upon, but I can't seem to find it again
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  374. # [15:16] <jgraham> Doesn't that have the same problem as minting random proprietary things in general?
  375. # [15:16] <darobin> slightlyoff: I take it you're aware of http://webdevdata.org/ and http://www.w3.org/community/webdevdata/?
  376. # [15:17] <darobin> jgraham: well, a) extension points are always evil, and b) there are varying degrees of proprietariness
  377. # [15:17] <darobin> in this case, the epub people are looking at transitioning from XHTML to proper HTML
  378. # [15:18] <darobin> they have idpf:type attributes the values of which would be a good fit for role
  379. # [15:18] <darobin> and dropping the namespacing would help
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  381. # [15:18] <slightlyoff> darobin: nope. It looks to just be scraped via a crawler?
  382. # [15:18] <darobin> but at the same time, I don't think that importing all of the IDPF roles into mainline HTML is necessarily great either
  383. # [15:19] <darobin> slightlyoff: the data is from a crawler yes, but the CG is the author and I reckon you'd find like-minded souls in there to help port your extension and such
  384. # [15:19] <wilhelm_> zcorpan: browserstack.com is your friend.
  385. # [15:19] <slightlyoff> darobin: true story
  386. # [15:19] <slightlyoff> darobin: was entirely unaware of the effort
  387. # [15:19] <slightlyoff> darobin: thanks for the pointer!
  388. # [15:19] <darobin> slightlyoff: you're most welcome :)
  389. # [15:19] <zcorpan> wilhelm_: thanks
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  391. # [15:20] <slightlyoff> ...and now I get to wait on my AC rep to approve it = )
  392. # [15:20] <darobin> yeah, I love how CGs are trivial for anyone *unless* you're a member :)
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  395. # [15:24] <slightlyoff> also, this looks to be an incredibly shallow crawl
  396. # [15:24] <slightlyoff> taht's not bad...but yeah
  397. # [15:25] <darobin> slightlyoff: I haven't been tracking the effort but I suspect they did a first page crawl based on Alexa, similar to the Paciello dataset
  398. # [15:25] <darobin> so yes, shallow
  399. # [15:25] <darobin> marcosc would know, but he's on some remote Greek island this week
  400. # [15:26] <slightlyoff> darobin: is there a graph analysis framework on top of this?
  401. # [15:26] <slightlyoff> darobin: or is it just an occasional crawl for now?
  402. # [15:27] <darobin> slightlyoff: I have no idea, but it's a fairly recent endeavour so I would assume it has goodwill but not necessarily much yet
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  405. # [15:27] <slightlyoff> who is doing the engineering?
  406. # [15:28] <darobin> it looks like it's all marcos, but you'd have to ask him really
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  437. # [16:54] <zcorpan> jgraham: format_value (in testharness) doesn't play nice with arrays that have circular properties
  438. # [16:55] <jgraham> I wonder if that's my fault or not
  439. # [16:55] <jgraham> Should be easy enoguh to fix I think
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  441. # [16:56] <zcorpan> Maximum recursion depth exceeded(stack: format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments no
  442. # [16:56] <zcorpan> t available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 format_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500 fo
  443. # [16:56] <zcorpan> rmat_value([arguments not available])@https://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js:500)
  444. # [16:56] <zcorpan> is the message when an assertion fails
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  446. # [16:57] <zcorpan> for objects this problem doesn't surface, it just says "[object Object]"
  447. # [16:57] <zcorpan> unless there's a custom toString that iterates over the properties, i guess
  448. # [16:58] <jgraham> Yeah, it needs to record things that it has already seen and avoid recursing into those
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  451. # [16:58] <jgraham> I can fix this evening
  452. # [16:58] <zcorpan> ok, thanks
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  464. # [17:09] <zcorpan> apparently ie10 implements this requirement of structured clone but opera/webkit/gecko don't: "Let output be a newly constructed empty Array object whose length is equal to the length of input."
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  466. # [17:09] <zcorpan> test: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2185
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  474. # [17:15] <darobin> zcorpan: is there a test for that in the TS?
  475. # [17:15] <darobin> it's a requirement that seems to make sense to me
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  479. # [17:16] <zcorpan> darobin: there will be when i submit the test i'm working on
  480. # [17:16] <zcorpan> which is "test everything you can think of in structured clone and transferable", which turns out to be quite a bit
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  482. # [17:16] <zcorpan> i haven't even started with transferable
  483. # [17:17] <darobin> zcorpan: awesome
  484. # [17:19] <zcorpan> where "everything you can think of" is really more like "the least amount of tests to have a reasonable coverage of the spec", but still it's quite a bit
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  511. # [17:56] <gavinc> URL spec question, http://a.example/%66oo-bar is not strictly equivalent to http://a.example/foo-bar but http://a.example/%E8oo-bar is equivalent to http://a.example/èoo-bar?
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  515. # [17:58] <SteveF> slightlyoff: for background on how the webdevdata.org stuff was gathered http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2012/04/html5-accessibility-chops-data-for-the-masses/
  516. # [17:58] <gavinc> from, "Code points higher than U+009F will be converted to percent-encoded bytes by the URL parser."
  517. # [17:59] <SteveF> slightlyoff: i.e. extremly lo-fi but thats my style and the limit technically
  518. # [18:00] <slightlyoff> SteveF: I'm trying to join the CGs now (which i wasn't aware of)
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  520. # [18:00] <slightlyoff> SteveF: apologies for duplication
  521. # [18:00] <SteveF> no duping I nearly creamed myself when I saw your stuff, its great!!!!
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  523. # [18:01] <SteveF> will happily promote and help where I can
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  531. # [18:19] <jwalden> gsnedders: making asm.js compilation parallel is coming along pretty quickly, I'd be slightly surprised if it doesn't land before the next aurora/beta/release uplift
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  543. # [18:42] <MikeSmith> "Is Sam Ruby happy? If not, make him happy." https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/master/RELEASING_RAILS.rdoc#is-sam-ruby-happy--if-not-make-him-happy
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  570. # [19:31] <rillian> MikeSmith: that was my question, yeah. :)
  571. # [19:31] <rillian> the spec says it "must, on getting, return the track element's text track's corresponding TextTrack object."
  572. # [19:32] <rillian> so if there's no corresponding object...
  573. # [19:32] <rillian> fwiw Chrome returns a default empty TextTrack
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  575. # [19:36] <Ms2ger`> rillian, clearly there always is one
  576. # [19:37] <rillian> is that clear?
  577. # [19:38] <Ms2ger`> Well, otherwise the spec would handle that case
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  580. # [19:43] <rillian> I don't get the sense that the spec thought about that code path
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  606. # [20:32] <jgraham> Someone want to review http://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/20 ?
  607. # [20:32] <jgraham> Ms2ger`: ^
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  609. # [20:34] <Ms2ger`> I'll look in a bit
  610. # [20:35] <jgraham> Sure, no rush
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  671. # [21:51] <Krinkle> paul_irish: The repaint improvements in MediaWiki went live yesterday on English Wikipedia (MediaWiki 1.21wmf12)
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  673. # [21:53] <paul_irish> Krinkle: Thanks! that's great to hear.
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  676. # [21:57] <Krinkle> paul_irish: Though we've both done some testing, would be nice to get some feedback from you (or people you work with) on how it works out in a real world scenario (like the scenario that brought us here)
  677. # [21:58] <paul_irish> Sure thing. I'll take a look later today
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