/irc-logs / freenode / #whatwg / 2013-03-29 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Fri Mar 29 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> zewt: It's hardly well-understood or solved. We have several bad instances of it in HTML (often due to legacy), and we create new ones as we go along, like Font Load Events.
  4. # [00:00] <zewt> you can easily handle things like "wait for all events" with DOM Events without making up something completely different
  5. # [00:00] * abstractj|brb is now known as abstractj|away
  6. # [00:00] <jamesr> events are pretty bad. requestAnimationFrame just avoids the completely, for instance (the original moz proposal used them and it sucked)
  7. # [00:00] <zewt> don't understand chaining (need code examples)
  8. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> No, you can't, at least not without manually coordinating across event callbacks by decrementing a global variable or something.
  9. # [00:02] <zewt> building a "do something when certain events are all received" is hardly a problem that needs a whole new incompatible inconsistent API for (and that's my main issue--ugly API fragmentation with interfaces that are utterly different in design and style)
  10. # [00:02] <zewt> also, confusion about something that seemed like a random blog suggestion suddenly appearing in the spec--i didn't see any discussion on this on any of the relevant lists that I know of, it just sort of materialized
  11. # [00:02] <jwalden> ugly API fragmentation? you must be new here :-)
  12. # [00:03] <zewt> not really :)
  13. # [00:03] <jamesr> https://github.com/slightlyoff/DOMFuture/blob/master/README.md has code examples using XHR
  14. # [00:03] <zewt> i've seen enough ugly API fragmentation in web APIs to be wary of introducing more of it, especially at such a core level
  15. # [00:04] * Joins: ap_ (~ap@17.114.110.160)
  16. # [00:04] * Quits: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  17. # [00:04] <zewt> wow there's some bad logic in this page
  18. # [00:05] <zewt> "Making matters worse, the callback and event names don't even match! Clearly DOM needs a better way to do things." things are inconsistent, therefore we need a totally different api!
  19. # [00:05] * Joins: dbaron_ (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  20. # [00:08] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:91bc:3b01:aa2b:fb2) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  21. # [00:08] * ap_ is now known as ap
  22. # [00:08] * Joins: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187)
  23. # [00:09] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  24. # [00:14] <zewt> don't see any practical examples of chaining on that page
  25. # [00:15] * Quits: ap (~ap@17.114.110.160) (Remote host closed the connection)
  26. # [00:16] * Joins: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:7823:351c:712c:ac89)
  27. # [00:16] * Quits: kochi (~Adium@216.239.45.66) (Quit: Leaving.)
  28. # [00:17] * Joins: ap_ (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:29c3:14bc:42d2:8b10)
  29. # [00:19] * Parts: decotii (~decotii@hq.croscon.com) ("Leaving")
  30. # [00:20] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:7823:351c:712c:ac89) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  31. # [00:20] * ap_ is now known as ap
  32. # [00:24] * Joins: tobie (~tobielang@73-118.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
  33. # [00:32] * Joins: kochi (Adium@nat/google/x-iwvfrmirsuphjsvq)
  34. # [00:32] * Joins: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199)
  35. # [00:39] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@nat/mozilla/x-xelnsuxtnmfgwjps)
  36. # [00:44] * Quits: jryans (~jryans@office.massrel.com) (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
  37. # [00:44] * Joins: jryans (~jryans@office.massrel.com)
  38. # [00:45] * Joins: jrynas (~jryans@office.massrel.com)
  39. # [00:46] * Quits: jryans (~jryans@office.massrel.com) (Disconnected by services)
  40. # [00:46] * jrynas is now known as jryans
  41. # [00:49] * Quits: annevk (~annevk@2.31.21.126) (Remote host closed the connection)
  42. # [00:52] * Quits: jryans (~jryans@office.massrel.com) (Quit: Be back later)
  43. # [00:54] * Quits: nvartolomei (~nvartolom@p3.eregie.pub.ro) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  44. # [01:02] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@nat/mozilla/x-xelnsuxtnmfgwjps) (Quit: tantek)
  45. # [01:02] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  46. # [01:05] * Joins: ap_ (~ap@17.114.110.160)
  47. # [01:05] * Quits: ap_ (~ap@17.114.110.160) (Remote host closed the connection)
  48. # [01:05] * Joins: ap_ (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:70fe:7ff2:e5fd:5195)
  49. # [01:08] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:29c3:14bc:42d2:8b10) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  50. # [01:08] * ap_ is now known as ap
  51. # [01:08] * Joins: nonge (~nonge@p50829B1A.dip.t-dialin.net)
  52. # [01:09] * gsnedder1 is now known as gsnedders
  53. # [01:11] * Quits: jsbell (jsbell@nat/google/x-vkalvtpbjyioxayh) (Quit: There's no place like home...)
  54. # [01:11] * Quits: ^esc (~esc_ape@77.116.246.190.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  55. # [01:13] * Joins: ^esc (~esc_ape@178.115.249.122.wireless.dyn.drei.com)
  56. # [01:14] * Joins: Adawerk__ (~ada@169.241.49.57)
  57. # [01:17] * Quits: Adawerk_ (~ada@169.241.49.57) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  58. # [01:18] * Quits: jernoble_ (~jernoble@17.212.154.217) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  59. # [01:18] * Quits: tobie (~tobielang@73-118.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch) (Quit: tobie)
  60. # [01:25] * Joins: jernoble_ (~jernoble@76.74.153.41)
  61. # [01:25] * Quits: jernoble_ (~jernoble@76.74.153.41) (Client Quit)
  62. # [01:26] * Joins: jernoble_ (~jernoble@76.74.153.41)
  63. # [01:28] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-67-161-57-5.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  64. # [01:29] * Quits: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199) (Remote host closed the connection)
  65. # [01:33] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  66. # [01:33] * Quits: kochi (Adium@nat/google/x-iwvfrmirsuphjsvq) (Quit: Leaving.)
  67. # [01:36] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  68. # [01:36] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  69. # [01:39] * Quits: fr0zenice (~frozenice@unaffiliated/fr0zenice) (Remote host closed the connection)
  70. # [01:40] * Quits: divya (~nimbu@sjfw1-a.adobe.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  71. # [01:42] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  72. # [01:43] * Quits: jernoble_ (~jernoble@76.74.153.41) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  73. # [01:44] * Joins: zaar (~zaarinen@c-0cafe253.6925728--62697410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  74. # [01:47] * Quits: zaar (~zaarinen@c-0cafe253.6925728--62697410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Client Quit)
  75. # [01:49] * Joins: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199)
  76. # [01:51] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@c-24-23-137-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  77. # [01:53] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:70fe:7ff2:e5fd:5195) (Quit: ap)
  78. # [01:57] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  79. # [01:57] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  80. # [02:03] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@c-24-23-137-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: tantek)
  81. # [02:12] * Quits: linclark (~clark@c-67-186-35-246.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Quit: linclark)
  82. # [02:14] * Quits: say2joe (~say2joe@204.56.108.2) (Quit: Leaving.)
  83. # [02:29] * Joins: snowfox_ben (~benschaaf@c-98-243-88-119.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
  84. # [02:33] * Quits: snowfox_ben (~benschaaf@c-98-243-88-119.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  85. # [02:33] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@114-44-248-253.dynamic.hinet.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  86. # [02:33] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@mdf0536d0.tmodns.net)
  87. # [02:34] * Quits: jwalden (~waldo@2620:101:8003:200:224:d7ff:fef0:8d90) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87-6.1450hg.fc18 [XULRunner 19.0.2/20130311161054])
  88. # [02:39] * Quits: dbaron_ (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  89. # [02:41] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  90. # [02:41] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  91. # [02:42] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@mdf0536d0.tmodns.net) (Quit: tantek)
  92. # [02:51] * Quits: tomasf (~tom@c-44dbe555.024-204-6c6b7012.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: tomasf)
  93. # [02:51] * Quits: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  94. # [02:52] * Joins: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  95. # [03:02] * Joins: jernoble_ (~jernoble@c-67-188-109-7.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  96. # [03:04] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@mdf0536d0.tmodns.net)
  97. # [03:05] * Joins: othermaciej (~mjs@c-50-136-134-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  98. # [03:06] * jernoble_ is now known as jernoble_|afk
  99. # [03:06] * jernoble_|afk is now known as jernoble_
  100. # [03:06] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@mdf0536d0.tmodns.net) (Client Quit)
  101. # [03:08] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@mdf0536d0.tmodns.net)
  102. # [03:09] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@mdf0536d0.tmodns.net) (Client Quit)
  103. # [03:14] * Quits: jernoble_ (~jernoble@c-67-188-109-7.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  104. # [03:22] * Quits: jmason (~jmason@174.137.103.143) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  105. # [03:26] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-67-161-57-5.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  106. # [03:26] * Joins: scor (~scor@c-98-216-39-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
  107. # [03:26] * Quits: scor (~scor@c-98-216-39-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Changing host)
  108. # [03:26] * Joins: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  109. # [03:37] * Quits: yorick (~yorick@oftn/member/yorick) (Remote host closed the connection)
  110. # [03:45] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  111. # [03:45] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  112. # [03:56] * Quits: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  113. # [03:57] * Joins: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  114. # [04:00] * Quits: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  115. # [04:03] * Joins: jmason (~jmason@174.137.103.143)
  116. # [04:05] * Joins: nessy (~silviapf@124-149-71-84.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  117. # [04:07] * Joins: doublec_ (~doublec@bit.cd.pn)
  118. # [04:07] * Quits: doublec_ (~doublec@bit.cd.pn) (Client Quit)
  119. # [04:28] * Quits: Obvious (tachikoma@188.226.74.2) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  120. # [04:30] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  121. # [04:30] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  122. # [04:40] * Joins: Obvious (tachikoma@188.226.74.2)
  123. # [04:44] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no)
  124. # [04:49] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  125. # [04:52] * Quits: gavinc (~gavin@barad-dur.carothers.name) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
  126. # [05:00] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  127. # [05:00] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  128. # [05:04] * Quits: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  129. # [05:06] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-88.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  130. # [05:12] * Quits: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  131. # [05:13] * Quits: jmason (~jmason@174.137.103.143) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  132. # [05:14] * Joins: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  133. # [05:25] * Quits: WesleyL (~Wesley@static.43.95.46.78.clients.your-server.de) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  134. # [05:26] * Joins: WesleyL (~Wesley@static.43.95.46.78.clients.your-server.de)
  135. # [05:28] * Joins: barneybook (~kvirc@114-44-248-253.dynamic.hinet.net)
  136. # [05:34] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  137. # [05:34] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  138. # [05:45] * Joins: nvartolomei (~nvartolom@p3.eregie.pub.ro)
  139. # [05:52] * Quits: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199) (Remote host closed the connection)
  140. # [06:20] * Quits: rniwa|away (~rniwa@17.212.154.114) (Quit: rniwa|away)
  141. # [06:20] * Joins: rniwa (~rniwa@17.212.154.114)
  142. # [06:24] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-70-112-101-224.austin.res.rr.com) (Quit: miketaylr)
  143. # [06:24] * Joins: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  144. # [06:29] * Quits: benschwarz (uid2121@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dfnzhcqhwondfqsi) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  145. # [06:30] * Joins: benschwarz (uid2121@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-djfotkgjjvnvdxpo)
  146. # [06:32] * Quits: nvartolomei (~nvartolom@p3.eregie.pub.ro) (Remote host closed the connection)
  147. # [06:38] * Quits: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  148. # [06:39] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  149. # [06:39] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  150. # [06:59] * Quits: nessy (~silviapf@124-149-71-84.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Quit: Leaving.)
  151. # [07:03] * Joins: tobie (~tobielang@73-118.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
  152. # [07:04] * Quits: eresair (~eresair@c-71-198-63-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  153. # [07:06] * Quits: cabanier (~cabanier@83.166.209.226) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  154. # [07:09] * Quits: tobie (~tobielang@73-118.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch) (Quit: tobie)
  155. # [07:20] * Joins: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  156. # [07:28] * Joins: ehsan_ (~ehsan@69.38.217.3)
  157. # [07:32] * Joins: tobie (~tobielang@73-118.195-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
  158. # [07:40] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  159. # [07:45] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  160. # [07:46] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  161. # [07:46] * Quits: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  162. # [07:52] * Joins: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it)
  163. # [07:54] * Joins: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  164. # [07:56] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  165. # [08:00] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  166. # [08:00] * Quits: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  167. # [08:01] * Joins: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199)
  168. # [08:02] * Quits: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199) (Remote host closed the connection)
  169. # [08:02] * Joins: ehsan__ (~ehsan@69.38.217.3)
  170. # [08:02] * Quits: ehsan_ (~ehsan@69.38.217.3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  171. # [08:03] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  172. # [08:03] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  173. # [08:05] * Joins: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  174. # [08:07] * Parts: a-ja (~Instantbi@70.230.162.94)
  175. # [08:12] * Joins: doublec_ (~doublec@bit.cd.pn)
  176. # [08:12] * Quits: doublec_ (~doublec@bit.cd.pn) (Client Quit)
  177. # [08:14] * Quits: ehsan__ (~ehsan@69.38.217.3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  178. # [08:14] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si)
  179. # [08:22] * Joins: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:68b1:eda8:d12c:2fc4)
  180. # [08:24] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  181. # [08:27] * Quits: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  182. # [08:34] * Quits: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: stevefaulkner)
  183. # [08:35] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  184. # [08:36] * Quits: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Client Quit)
  185. # [08:37] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  186. # [08:40] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra) (Client Quit)
  187. # [08:49] * Joins: Martin1982 (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl)
  188. # [08:51] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  189. # [08:55] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  190. # [08:56] * Quits: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Client Quit)
  191. # [08:56] * Joins: cabanier (~cabanier@193.105.140.132)
  192. # [08:57] * Joins: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199)
  193. # [08:57] * Joins: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  194. # [08:58] * Joins: isherman-book (~Adium@173-167-102-230-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  195. # [09:00] * Joins: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-221.net-82-216-180.issy1.rev.numericable.fr)
  196. # [09:06] * Quits: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  197. # [09:08] * Quits: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:68b1:eda8:d12c:2fc4) (Remote host closed the connection)
  198. # [09:10] * Joins: mitemitreski (~mitemitre@212.120.17.179)
  199. # [09:12] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@114-44-248-253.dynamic.hinet.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  200. # [09:15] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  201. # [09:15] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  202. # [09:18] * Joins: annevk (~annevk@2.31.21.126)
  203. # [09:19] * Quits: birtles (~chatzilla@p5172-ipngn502marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  204. # [09:21] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-88.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  205. # [09:22] * Joins: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:c37:f048:eee9:dad)
  206. # [09:22] * Quits: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it) (Quit: Leaving)
  207. # [09:28] * Joins: nimbu (~nimbu@173-228-123-12.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  208. # [09:28] * Quits: nimbu (~nimbu@173-228-123-12.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Client Quit)
  209. # [09:31] * Quits: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  210. # [09:32] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  211. # [09:32] * Joins: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3)
  212. # [09:35] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  213. # [09:38] * Quits: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:c37:f048:eee9:dad) (Remote host closed the connection)
  214. # [09:43] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  215. # [09:45] * Quits: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: stevefaulkner)
  216. # [09:46] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  217. # [09:46] * Joins: izhak (~izhak@213.87.241.158)
  218. # [09:56] * Quits: isherman-book (~Adium@173-167-102-230-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  219. # [09:58] * Quits: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: stevefaulkner)
  220. # [10:01] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  221. # [10:01] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no)
  222. # [10:03] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  223. # [10:03] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  224. # [10:06] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  225. # [10:13] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs181151161.pp.htv.fi)
  226. # [10:18] * Quits: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-221.net-82-216-180.issy1.rev.numericable.fr) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  227. # [10:23] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  228. # [10:26] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  229. # [10:27] * Joins: nonge_ (~nonge@p508295D0.dip.t-dialin.net)
  230. # [10:31] * Quits: nonge (~nonge@p50829B1A.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  231. # [10:32] * Quits: annevk (~annevk@2.31.21.126) (Remote host closed the connection)
  232. # [10:36] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@58.212-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
  233. # [10:36] * Joins: annevk (~annevk@2.31.21.126)
  234. # [10:39] * Parts: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  235. # [10:40] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  236. # [10:40] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  237. # [10:45] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:91b3:4b74:b677:61e5)
  238. # [10:48] * Joins: SimonSapin (~simon@vev69-1-82-232-219-95.fbx.proxad.net)
  239. # [10:49] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  240. # [10:50] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:91b3:4b74:b677:61e5) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  241. # [10:50] * Joins: richt (~richt@222.233.254.208)
  242. # [10:51] * Joins: SteveF (~chatzilla@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  243. # [10:53] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  244. # [10:55] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  245. # [10:57] * Quits: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@108.161.20.199) (Remote host closed the connection)
  246. # [11:00] * Quits: chriseppstein (~chrisepps@209.119.65.162) (Quit: chriseppstein)
  247. # [11:02] * Quits: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: stevefaulkner)
  248. # [11:07] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc4-reig5-2-0-cust637.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
  249. # [11:07] * Quits: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  250. # [11:09] * Joins: Zauberfisch_idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3)
  251. # [11:09] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  252. # [11:12] * Joins: fr0zenice (~frozenice@unaffiliated/fr0zenice)
  253. # [11:14] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  254. # [11:21] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@cs181151161.pp.htv.fi) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  255. # [11:28] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  256. # [11:33] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc4-reig5-2-0-cust637.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  257. # [11:46] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  258. # [11:47] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc4-reig5-2-0-cust637.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
  259. # [11:52] * Quits: mitemitreski (~mitemitre@212.120.17.179) (Quit: Leaving.)
  260. # [12:01] * Joins: nimbu (~nimbu@173-228-123-12.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  261. # [12:02] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@188.188.74.215)
  262. # [12:04] * Quits: yoshiki (yoshiki@nat/google/x-ljetsjzuxouzdkpe) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  263. # [12:04] * Joins: yoshiki (yoshiki@nat/google/x-bckppbazshvpgvup)
  264. # [12:10] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc4-reig5-2-0-cust637.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
  265. # [12:14] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  266. # [12:21] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@188.188.74.215) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  267. # [12:18] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@85-76-178-199-nat.elisa-mobile.fi)
  268. # [12:21] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@188.188.74.215)
  269. # [12:24] * Quits: ari-_-e (~atrigent@unaffiliated/atrigent) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  270. # [12:29] * Joins: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  271. # [12:41] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  272. # [12:45] <smaug____> Hmm, does some spec define DataChannel
  273. # [12:47] <Ms2ger> Sounds like WebRTC?
  274. # [12:47] <smaug____> yeah, something like that
  275. # [12:48] <smaug____> but that could in fact be gecko thingie
  276. # [12:48] * Quits: richt (~richt@222.233.254.208) (Remote host closed the connection)
  277. # [12:48] <smaug____> it is hard to follow what is happening in webrtc world
  278. # [12:48] <smaug____> I'm not sure the spec has been reviewed too well
  279. # [12:48] * Joins: richt (~richt@222.233.254.208)
  280. # [12:50] <annevk> http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/webrtc.html
  281. # [12:50] * annevk looks
  282. # [12:50] <Ms2ger> Ah, annevk is going to review? Excellent :)
  283. # [12:51] <annevk> haha doubt it, looks big
  284. # [12:51] * Joins: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:7c16:428d:f7f9:9563)
  285. # [12:51] <annevk> looks like a severe case of ReSpec
  286. # [12:52] * Quits: richt (~richt@222.233.254.208) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
  287. # [12:53] * abstractj|away is now known as abstractj
  288. # [12:53] * Quits: abstractj (~abstractj@redhat/jboss/abstractj) (Excess Flood)
  289. # [12:54] <smaug____> problem is also that implementations seem to be ahead of the spec
  290. # [12:54] * Joins: abstractj (~abstractj@redhat/jboss/abstractj)
  291. # [12:56] * Quits: handheldCar (~user@pdpc/supporter/student/handheldcar) (Quit: bau)
  292. # [12:57] <annevk> http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/webrtc.html#idl-def-RTCPeerConnection o_O
  293. # [12:57] <annevk> smaug____: yeah I saw some web sites using it already
  294. # [12:57] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:3d48:6a2f:23a0:17dc)
  295. # [12:58] * Joins: richt (~richt@222.233.254.208)
  296. # [12:59] * Quits: richt (~richt@222.233.254.208) (Remote host closed the connection)
  297. # [12:59] * Joins: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  298. # [13:00] <annevk> ReSpec really makes this spec unreadable
  299. # [13:02] * Joins: maikmerten (~maikmerte@port-92-201-117-144.dynamic.qsc.de)
  300. # [13:06] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:3d48:6a2f:23a0:17dc) (Remote host closed the connection)
  301. # [13:06] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@188.24.81.186)
  302. # [13:06] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@188.24.81.186) (Changing host)
  303. # [13:06] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  304. # [13:06] * Joins: jarek (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek)
  305. # [13:08] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra) (Client Quit)
  306. # [13:09] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@85-76-178-199-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) (Quit: Reconnecting…)
  307. # [13:09] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@85-76-178-141-nat.elisa-mobile.fi)
  308. # [13:10] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  309. # [13:12] * abstractj is now known as abstractj|away
  310. # [13:14] * Joins: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron)
  311. # [13:14] * Quits: stevefaulkner (~stevefaul@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: stevefaulkner)
  312. # [13:21] * Quits: nimbu (~nimbu@173-228-123-12.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  313. # [13:23] * Quits: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  314. # [13:23] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  315. # [13:25] * Joins: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.155.69)
  316. # [13:28] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  317. # [13:29] * Quits: izhak (~izhak@213.87.241.158) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
  318. # [13:33] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:7d5d:6aa0:fe8b:236e)
  319. # [13:34] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:7d5d:6aa0:fe8b:236e) (Remote host closed the connection)
  320. # [13:37] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@188.188.74.215) (Read error: No route to host)
  321. # [13:41] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  322. # [13:44] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@58.212-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) (Quit: bbl)
  323. # [13:45] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@85-76-178-141-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  324. # [13:46] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  325. # [13:48] * Quits: jarek (~jarek@unaffiliated/jarek) (Quit: jarek)
  326. # [13:48] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  327. # [13:54] * Joins: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc4-reig5-2-0-cust637.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
  328. # [13:59] * Joins: nessy (~silviapf@124-149-71-84.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  329. # [13:59] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  330. # [14:04] * Quits: nessy (~silviapf@124-149-71-84.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Quit: Leaving.)
  331. # [14:18] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  332. # [14:18] * Quits: annevk (~annevk@2.31.21.126) (Remote host closed the connection)
  333. # [14:20] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  334. # [14:29] * Joins: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  335. # [14:29] * Quits: Cromulent (~Cromulent@cpc4-reig5-2-0-cust637.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)
  336. # [14:31] * Quits: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.155.69) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  337. # [14:33] * Joins: jmason (~jmason@174.137.103.143)
  338. # [14:34] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  339. # [14:44] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  340. # [14:44] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  341. # [14:45] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  342. # [14:46] * Joins: yorick (~yorick@oftn/member/yorick)
  343. # [14:47] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  344. # [14:54] * Parts: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si)
  345. # [15:00] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  346. # [15:07] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  347. # [15:10] * Joins: erichynds (~ehynds@64.206.121.41)
  348. # [15:17] * Quits: espadrine (~thaddee_t@85-218-5-191.dclient.lsne.ch) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  349. # [15:18] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  350. # [15:18] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no)
  351. # [15:21] * Joins: barneybook (~kvirc@39.12.30.212)
  352. # [15:23] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  353. # [15:23] * Joins: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187)
  354. # [15:27] * Quits: erichynds (~ehynds@64.206.121.41) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  355. # [15:29] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  356. # [15:29] * Joins: barneybook|2 (~kvirc@101.12.243.183)
  357. # [15:30] * Joins: barneybook|3 (~kvirc@39.12.30.212)
  358. # [15:31] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  359. # [15:31] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:921:d2b1:af50:23d9)
  360. # [15:33] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@39.12.30.212) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  361. # [15:34] * Quits: barneybook|3 (~kvirc@39.12.30.212) (Max SendQ exceeded)
  362. # [15:34] * Quits: barneybook|2 (~kvirc@101.12.243.183) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  363. # [15:35] * Joins: barneybook (~kvirc@101.10.41.186)
  364. # [15:36] * Quits: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  365. # [15:37] * Joins: scor (scor@nat/acquia/x-fykeaanlhxsxzquc)
  366. # [15:37] * Quits: scor (scor@nat/acquia/x-fykeaanlhxsxzquc) (Changing host)
  367. # [15:37] * Joins: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  368. # [15:37] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:921:d2b1:af50:23d9) (Remote host closed the connection)
  369. # [15:37] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  370. # [15:37] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  371. # [15:38] * Quits: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:7c16:428d:f7f9:9563) (Remote host closed the connection)
  372. # [15:38] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  373. # [15:40] * Joins: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:9c5d:e01c:d0bd:ca62)
  374. # [15:45] * Quits: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:9c5d:e01c:d0bd:ca62) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  375. # [15:45] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  376. # [15:45] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  377. # [15:48] * Joins: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251)
  378. # [15:55] * Joins: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:4d4a:b3cb:9328:2c2c)
  379. # [15:56] * Joins: scottjehl (uid3055@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxnqplpsgkitcxnj)
  380. # [15:56] * Joins: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-70-112-101-224.austin.res.rr.com)
  381. # [16:06] * Joins: jernoble_ (~jernoble@76.74.153.41)
  382. # [16:07] * Joins: eresair (~eresair@c-71-198-63-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  383. # [16:10] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  384. # [16:12] * Joins: RobbertA_ (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:60c8:f796:c689:e100)
  385. # [16:14] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  386. # [16:15] * Quits: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:4d4a:b3cb:9328:2c2c) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  387. # [16:15] * Quits: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron) (Quit: Leaving.)
  388. # [16:23] * Quits: jernoble_ (~jernoble@76.74.153.41) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  389. # [16:24] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  390. # [16:28] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  391. # [16:32] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  392. # [16:32] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  393. # [16:33] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  394. # [16:37] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@mc50536d0.tmodns.net)
  395. # [16:42] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@101.10.41.186) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  396. # [16:43] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@mc50536d0.tmodns.net) (Quit: tantek)
  397. # [16:48] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:a8cf:58a4:5d0c:117a)
  398. # [16:49] * GPHemsley wonders, in a way not intended to be rude, where TabAtkins learned his English.
  399. # [16:50] * GPHemsley also still thinks that the CSS Counter Styles "width" property should not include the negative sign.
  400. # [16:51] <GPHemsley> s/property/descriptor/
  401. # [16:52] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:a8cf:58a4:5d0c:117a) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  402. # [16:52] * Joins: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  403. # [16:56] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@69.38.217.3)
  404. # [16:58] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  405. # [16:58] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  406. # [17:03] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@69.38.217.3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  407. # [17:03] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@109.89.134.164)
  408. # [17:06] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@69.38.217.3)
  409. # [17:06] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@69.38.217.3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  410. # [17:07] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@69.38.217.3)
  411. # [17:07] * Joins: jsbell (jsbell@nat/google/x-zfahcfouzfrrnlvj)
  412. # [17:08] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-70-112-101-224.austin.res.rr.com) (Quit: miketaylr)
  413. # [17:10] * Joins: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-70-112-101-224.austin.res.rr.com)
  414. # [17:10] * Joins: ehsan_ (~ehsan@69.38.217.3)
  415. # [17:11] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@69.38.217.3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  416. # [17:13] * Quits: ehsan_ (~ehsan@69.38.217.3) (Remote host closed the connection)
  417. # [17:17] * Quits: RobbertA_ (~robbertat@2001:980:9368:1:60c8:f796:c689:e100) (Remote host closed the connection)
  418. # [17:18] * Joins: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@212.238.236.229)
  419. # [17:19] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-43-120.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  420. # [17:20] * Joins: RobbertA_ (~robbertat@212.238.236.229)
  421. # [17:20] * Quits: cabanier (~cabanier@193.105.140.132) (Quit: Leaving.)
  422. # [17:22] * Quits: SteveF (~chatzilla@cpc20-nmal18-2-0-cust76.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  423. # [17:22] * Quits: RobbertAtWork (~robbertat@212.238.236.229) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
  424. # [17:25] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@173.228.102.82)
  425. # [17:26] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si)
  426. # [17:26] * Quits: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  427. # [17:27] * Joins: chriseppstein (~chrisepps@209.119.65.162)
  428. # [17:29] * Joins: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:70fe:7ff2:e5fd:5195)
  429. # [17:30] * Joins: say2joe (~say2joe@204.56.108.2)
  430. # [17:30] * Quits: kochi (~Adium@c-98-248-37-86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  431. # [17:30] * Joins: Masklinn (~textual@79.132.236.146)
  432. # [17:31] * Quits: Martin1982 (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  433. # [17:34] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@173.228.102.82) (Quit: tantek)
  434. # [17:35] * Joins: linclark (~clark@c-67-186-35-246.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
  435. # [17:35] * Joins: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com)
  436. # [17:35] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-67-161-57-5.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  437. # [17:38] * Joins: barneybook (~kvirc@114-44-248-253.dynamic.hinet.net)
  438. # [17:40] <TabAtkins> GPHemsley: From America?
  439. # [17:41] <TabAtkins> I've got a few pet peeves that make me write things in a particular way (fucking latin-based irregular plurals), but otherwise speak normal English as far as I know.
  440. # [17:42] <miketaylr> not just America, but America America (Texas)
  441. # [17:42] <TabAtkins> Real America, natch.
  442. # [17:42] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  443. # [17:42] <TabAtkins> Texas: The America of America http://smbc.myshopify.com/products/texas-shirt
  444. # [17:43] <GPHemsley> I can't say things like "We’d appreciate people to review this draft carefully"
  445. # [17:43] <TabAtkins> Hm, yeah, that's actually slightly awkward.
  446. # [17:44] <GPHemsley> though this is just the latest of many recent examples of people using infinitive in strange ways
  447. # [17:44] <TabAtkins> Which probably means a grammatical shift in english.
  448. # [17:44] <GPHemsley> Though I think they're often native French speakers
  449. # [17:44] <GPHemsley> I wish I had more examples to furnish
  450. # [17:46] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175)
  451. # [17:46] <astearns> TabAtkins: are there any CSS names, keywords, etc. that use the plurals that you detest?
  452. # [17:46] <TabAtkins> Not keywords or property names or anything.
  453. # [17:47] <TabAtkins> I really just hate axes as a plural of axis.
  454. # [17:47] <GPHemsley> Would you prefer axises?
  455. # [17:47] <TabAtkins> Yes, and I used that in my specs until fantasai did a search-and-replace on me.
  456. # [17:47] <GPHemsley> I mean, I prefer appendixes over appendices, for example
  457. # [17:48] <GPHemsley> but axises seems a little odd to me
  458. # [17:48] <astearns> I just have a hard time pronouncing 'axises' - once I start, I keep putting additional sibilants on the end
  459. # [17:49] <TabAtkins> I get that, and it's probably part of why the irregular plural became popular (also, 1900s grammarians had a massive language-boner for Latin).
  460. # [17:49] <GPHemsley> :)
  461. # [17:49] <TabAtkins> But the double-sibilant pattern appears all over English, and we deal.
  462. # [17:49] <TabAtkins> For example, denoting ownership of anything ending in an s.
  463. # [17:50] <GPHemsley> axis's
  464. # [17:50] <TabAtkins> The Johnsons' house (the house belonging to Mr. and Mrs. Johnsons).
  465. # [17:50] <TabAtkins> We spell it without the s, but still pronounce the implied s there.
  466. # [17:50] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@c-50-136-134-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: othermaciej)
  467. # [17:50] <GPHemsley> Who has a last name of Johnsons? >_>
  468. # [17:50] <astearns> misses's
  469. # [17:50] <TabAtkins> GPHemsley: They exist!
  470. # [17:50] <GPHemsley> OK, Mr. Atkin
  471. # [17:51] * Quits: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  472. # [17:52] <GPHemsley> But I'm totally down with data as singular
  473. # [17:52] * Quits: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  474. # [17:52] <TabAtkins> Yeah, sure, that's become a mass noun (and, though I'm not certain, I think it may even have started as data, and then back-formated into datum for a single piece?)
  475. # [17:52] <GPHemsley> Unless you're actually talking about handful of data points (which you rarely are), I can't take you seriously if you use data as plural at this point
  476. # [17:53] <GPHemsley> I don't recall
  477. # [17:53] <GPHemsley> Here's a question: None/Neither – singular or plural?
  478. # [17:54] <GPHemsley> I guess we're only talking agreement at this point
  479. # [17:54] <TabAtkins> I think I make it plural?
  480. # [17:54] <miketaylr> both wfm
  481. # [17:54] <TabAtkins> "Neither have done something"
  482. # [17:54] <miketaylr> "neither is correct" & "neither are correct"
  483. # [17:54] <GPHemsley> yeah, I agree
  484. # [17:54] <TabAtkins> But I'd accept, and probably say at times, "has" there.
  485. # [17:54] <miketaylr> "none is correct" feels weird though
  486. # [17:54] * Joins: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com)
  487. # [17:55] <GPHemsley> I think that particular example (with "something") is an odd construct
  488. # [17:57] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-88.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  489. # [17:59] <Hixie_> holy crap, the WebRTC API is a disaster now
  490. # [18:00] <Hixie_> it's gone from an API where you could make a video conferencing system in a dozen lines of HTML and an off-the-shelf server, to something where even I have no idea what's going on.
  491. # [18:02] <TabAtkins> That's what happens when an API group goes off to its own WG and nobody follows them.
  492. # [18:03] * Joins: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@70.102.199.158)
  493. # [18:05] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  494. # [18:06] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229)
  495. # [18:13] * Joins: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  496. # [18:21] * Joins: Maurice (copyman@5ED573FA.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  497. # [18:23] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175) (Quit: weinig)
  498. # [18:24] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175)
  499. # [18:34] * Quits: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  500. # [18:34] * Joins: TabAtkins_ (~tabatkins@216.239.55.199)
  501. # [18:35] * Joins: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com)
  502. # [18:36] * Quits: Zauberfisch_idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  503. # [18:37] * Joins: Zauberfisch_idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3)
  504. # [18:42] <Hixie_> TabAtkins_: i don't understand your e-mail. what wouldn't work?
  505. # [18:43] <Hixie_> TabAtkins_: you set the styles for a vertical control and for a horizontal control using separate pseudos, and then you set it to horizontal or vertical by setting the dimensions accordingly.
  506. # [18:43] <TabAtkins> Give me an example of some theoretical syntax for how to select, in CSS, whether an element is mostly tall or mostly squat, and style it accordingly.
  507. # [18:43] <TabAtkins> And how are those pseudos assigned? Magically?
  508. # [18:43] <Hixie_> "assigned"?
  509. # [18:43] <TabAtkins> That means they're irrevocably magic, and can't be done with Web Components. :/
  510. # [18:43] <Hixie_> the element has the vertical pseudos if it's vertical and the horizontal ones if it's horizontal
  511. # [18:44] <Hixie_> well once you have web components, there's no problem at all. you just bind the appropriate component for what you want.
  512. # [18:44] <TabAtkins> How?
  513. # [18:44] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  514. # [18:45] <Hixie_> however you bind components
  515. # [18:45] <TabAtkins> I mean, how do you preferentially bind the vertical version when it's tall?
  516. # [18:45] * Quits: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  517. # [18:45] <TabAtkins> Or are you saying that you just choose which one you want?
  518. # [18:45] <Hixie_> the author just choses the one the author wants
  519. # [18:46] * Quits: jmason (~jmason@174.137.103.143) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
  520. # [18:46] <TabAtkins> All right, cool. The attribute-based approach is doing the same thing, just communicating in the more natural HTML way.
  521. # [18:46] <Hixie_> the attribute-based approach is <font> all over again. let's not go there.
  522. # [18:47] <TabAtkins> Until we get decorators, it's the only non-magic way. And it transitions cleanly into the decorator-based way.
  523. # [18:48] <Hixie_> i have neither a problem with magic, nor a problem with not solving it for now :-)
  524. # [18:48] <TabAtkins> I have problems with both. Thus, the disconnect.
  525. # [18:48] <Hixie_> i do have a problem with presentational attributes
  526. # [18:51] * Joins: cabanier (~cabanier@87.243.3.162)
  527. # [18:51] * Joins: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  528. # [18:58] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  529. # [18:59] * Quits: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@70.102.199.158) (Remote host closed the connection)
  530. # [19:00] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Client Quit)
  531. # [19:01] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  532. # [19:05] * Quits: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  533. # [19:12] <Hixie_> are we really just redefining ISO-8859-1?
  534. # [19:18] * Joins: a-ja (~Instantbi@70.230.148.214)
  535. # [19:20] * Quits: RobbertA_ (~robbertat@212.238.236.229) (Remote host closed the connection)
  536. # [19:20] * Parts: a-ja (~Instantbi@70.230.148.214)
  537. # [19:27] * Joins: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@70.102.199.158)
  538. # [19:33] * blythebaxter is now known as mh0
  539. # [19:42] * Quits: maikmerten (~maikmerte@port-92-201-117-144.dynamic.qsc.de) (Remote host closed the connection)
  540. # [19:43] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@50-0-248-88.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  541. # [19:44] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-70-112-101-224.austin.res.rr.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  542. # [19:44] * Joins: miketayl (~miketaylr@cpe-70-112-101-224.austin.res.rr.com)
  543. # [19:46] * miketayl is now known as miketaylr
  544. # [19:54] * Quits: eric_carlson (~eric@17.212.152.104) (Quit: eric_carlson)
  545. # [19:55] * Joins: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:7c78:b666:680c:e856)
  546. # [19:57] * Joins: eric_carlson (~eric@17.212.152.104)
  547. # [19:58] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@199.115.243.189)
  548. # [19:59] * Quits: Robbert_ (~robbert@2001:980:9368:1:7c78:b666:680c:e856) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  549. # [20:16] * Joins: annevk (~annevk@2.31.21.126)
  550. # [20:18] <annevk> someone managed to review WebRTC in the interim?
  551. # [20:19] * Joins: jryans (~jryans@rrcs-97-79-254-124.sw.biz.rr.com)
  552. # [20:20] * Joins: jrynas (~jryans@rrcs-97-79-254-124.sw.biz.rr.com)
  553. # [20:20] <annevk> ooh I see, Hixie_ found out it's a clusterfuck too
  554. # [20:20] * Quits: jryans (~jryans@rrcs-97-79-254-124.sw.biz.rr.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  555. # [20:20] * jrynas is now known as jryans
  556. # [20:22] <annevk> Hixie_: we're defining iso-8859-1 as a label
  557. # [20:22] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175) (Quit: weinig)
  558. # [20:22] <annevk> Hixie_: of windows-1252
  559. # [20:22] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  560. # [20:22] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  561. # [20:22] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@199.115.243.189) (Remote host closed the connection)
  562. # [20:24] <Hixie_> annevk: i'm not one to shy away from arrogantly displacing other standards bodies' work, obviously, but isn't that a bit of a big leap even for us?
  563. # [20:25] <Hixie_> annevk: i mean, isn't ISO-8859 used elsewhere than the web?
  564. # [20:25] <Hixie_> annevk: or is it really treated as win1252 everywhere
  565. # [20:26] <annevk> is HTML parsed as per the HTML Standard everywhere?
  566. # [20:26] <annevk> I'd say the end goal is definitely that everyone gets the same encoding library
  567. # [20:26] <Hixie_> no, it wasn't parsed per the HTML Standard anywhere. But we didn't make things that were previously valid HTML parse differently, and we did study pretty much every major implementation.
  568. # [20:27] <Hixie_> and HTML is pretty specific to the Web
  569. # [20:27] <annevk> Wasn't <title/test/ valid HTML?
  570. # [20:27] <SimonSapin> Hixie_: that why I named by implementation "python-webencodings" rather than python-encodings.
  571. # [20:27] <Hixie_> annevk: not per HTML1
  572. # [20:27] <SimonSapin> my* implementation
  573. # [20:27] <annevk> hmm
  574. # [20:27] <Hixie_> annevk: it briefly was with HTML4, but that was never widely implemented except by the validator
  575. # [20:28] <Hixie_> but even that was changed at some point
  576. # [20:28] <annevk> Hixie_: I could define iso-8859-1 as an encoding, but you could never get to it from web content, seems kinda meaningless
  577. # [20:30] <Hixie_> annevk: what's wrong with what we had before, where ISO-8859-1 was an encoding defined by ISO, but there was no way to refer to its decoder from Web content, because its label caused win1252 decoding, except that it was non-conforming to use bytes that would get processed "wrongly"?
  578. # [20:30] <Hixie_> that would at least mean that people who later reuse the text in iso-8859-1-true environments don't get screwed accidentally
  579. # [20:30] <Hixie_> if they use a validator, anyway
  580. # [20:31] <annevk> Given that there are all kinds of pitfalls with non-utf-8 encodings, it didn't seem worth distinguishing those cases.
  581. # [20:31] <Hixie_> anyway, i have to go afk for a bit. i'm just a bit worried that we're doing something with knock-on effects we haven't fully considered. your call, though, obviously.
  582. # [20:31] <Hixie_> ttyl
  583. # [20:32] <annevk> My take on this has been is that we need to define the legacy, but want everyone on board the utf-8 rocket.
  584. # [20:33] <annevk> So spending much time with weird error conditions in the legacy, while using it is wrong anyway is not worth it. Then on top of that, having to go through numerous specifications that do not define all the details you need to know to implement legacy encodings, was something we could improve on.
  585. # [20:33] * Quits: SimonSapin (~simon@vev69-1-82-232-219-95.fbx.proxad.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  586. # [20:37] * Quits: TabAtkins_ (~tabatkins@216.239.55.199) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  587. # [20:38] * Joins: jacobolus (~jacobolus@108-75-75-178.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
  588. # [20:39] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no)
  589. # [20:40] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:70fe:7ff2:e5fd:5195) (Quit: ap)
  590. # [20:43] * Joins: jwalden (~waldo@2620:101:8003:200:224:d7ff:fef0:8d90)
  591. # [20:43] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather_@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  592. # [20:44] <annevk> Hmm
  593. # [20:44] <annevk> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object/is
  594. # [20:44] <annevk> So, ==, ===, and now Object.is
  595. # [20:44] <annevk> for -0 and NaN
  596. # [20:50] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  597. # [20:56] * Joins: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-221.net-82-216-180.issy1.rev.numericable.fr)
  598. # [20:56] * Joins: jmason (~jmason@174.137.103.143)
  599. # [21:00] <jsbell> annevk: Don't forget the internal SameValueZero for Maps/Sets
  600. # [21:00] <annevk> Maybe wycats is right and I should attend one of those meetings for fun times
  601. # [21:01] <jsbell> Where SameValueZero(NaN, NaN) but also SameValueZero(0, -0)
  602. # [21:01] <annevk> wow
  603. # [21:01] <annevk> that's brilliant
  604. # [21:02] <annevk> should introduce ==== for Object.is and ===== for that one
  605. # [21:03] <annevk> I wonder if companies will start using this as an interview question. "Tell me what you know about comparators in JavaScript and their negative zero and NaN handling."
  606. # [21:09] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175)
  607. # [21:13] * Quits: ^esc (~esc_ape@178.115.249.122.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  608. # [21:16] * Joins: ^esc (~esc_ape@178.115.249.122.wireless.dyn.drei.com)
  609. # [21:17] * Quits: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251) (Remote host closed the connection)
  610. # [21:18] <TabAtkins> annevk: Object.is was introduced pretty much solely to avoid ====.
  611. # [21:22] <miketaylr> because fourquals doesn't sound quite as nice as threequals
  612. # [21:22] <TabAtkins> I pronounce === as "equals" and == as "kinda like".
  613. # [21:27] * Joins: seventh (seventh@64.9.157.49)
  614. # [21:28] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  615. # [21:29] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  616. # [21:30] * Quits: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
  617. # [21:30] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  618. # [21:31] * Joins: jgornick (~jgornick@c-66-41-28-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  619. # [21:33] * Joins: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com)
  620. # [21:37] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
  621. # [21:39] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  622. # [21:40] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  623. # [21:42] * Quits: silky__ (~malcolmva@c-67-180-203-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving)
  624. # [21:42] * Joins: malcolmva (~malcolmva@c-67-180-203-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  625. # [21:46] * fr0zenice is now known as frozenice
  626. # [21:54] * Quits: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  627. # [22:01] * Quits: Masklinn (~textual@79.132.236.146)
  628. # [22:02] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  629. # [22:02] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  630. # [22:03] * Joins: [[zzz]] (~q@node-6pr.pool-125-25.dynamic.totbb.net)
  631. # [22:06] * Joins: nimbu1 (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com)
  632. # [22:07] * Quits: [[zz]] (~q@node-4m3.pool-125-25.dynamic.totbb.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  633. # [22:08] * Quits: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  634. # [22:10] * Joins: isherman-book (Adium@nat/google/x-tuzvtlguahzepsjr)
  635. # [22:12] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  636. # [22:13] * Quits: scor (scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  637. # [22:14] * Quits: JibberJim (~opera@host-78-146-54-107.as13285.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  638. # [22:18] * Joins: nessy (~silviapf@124-149-71-84.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  639. # [22:19] * Joins: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187)
  640. # [22:22] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-43-120.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: Reconnecting…)
  641. # [22:23] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-43-120.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  642. # [22:24] * Quits: seventh (seventh@64.9.157.49) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  643. # [22:26] * nimbu1 is now known as divya
  644. # [22:32] <annevk> Hixie_: http://html5.org/r/7782 looks most excellent
  645. # [22:32] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@108-75-75-178.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  646. # [22:42] * Quits: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  647. # [22:43] * Joins: jacobolus (~jacobolus@50-0-133-210.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  648. # [22:48] * Joins: rafaelw (uid4459@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bcystrohgzyjztdc)
  649. # [22:49] * jernoble is now known as jernoble|afk
  650. # [22:49] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  651. # [22:50] <Hixie_> annevk: cool. btw, i hate to suggest this now that i use them all, but we should consider renaming these algorithms not to sound so similar
  652. # [22:51] <Hixie_> annevk: there's so going to be confusion between "decode", "utf-8 decode", and "utf-8 decoder"
  653. # [22:52] <annevk> I was kinda hoping only the JavaScript API would hook into the latter, but I think that may have been a false hope
  654. # [22:53] <annevk> Hixie_: If I introduce "bomless utf-8 decode" as an alias for the latter, would that help?
  655. # [22:53] <Hixie_> well the last one doesn't really exist, it's just the "decoder" for "utf-8" (which BTW I spelt "UTF-8" in the HTML spec, since it's an acronym)
  656. # [22:54] <Hixie_> it's the first two that are more confusing
  657. # [22:54] <annevk> (it's also an exposed name in the DOM, which is why it's utf-8)
  658. # [22:55] <annevk> I see you do use "utf-8 decoder" specifically
  659. # [22:55] <annevk> I thought all the other entry points would use "decode"
  660. # [22:55] <Hixie_> something like "generic decoder" or "generic byte-to-string converter algorithm" instead of "decode"
  661. # [22:55] <Hixie_> might distinguish it from the actual decoders
  662. # [22:56] <Hixie_> and something like "BOM-stripping UTF-8 byte-to-character stream conversion algorithm" for utf-8 decode, similarly :-)
  663. # [22:56] <Hixie_> anyway
  664. # [22:56] <SimonSapin> renaming to avoid "decode" and "decoder" being two different things: yes please
  665. # [22:56] <Hixie_> i'm fine if you leave them as is
  666. # [22:56] <annevk> so you only use "decoder" as a generic for form stuff
  667. # [22:56] <Hixie_> less work for me
  668. # [22:57] <annevk> maybe "resource decode" and "utf-8 resource decode"?
  669. # [22:57] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175) (Quit: weinig)
  670. # [22:57] <annevk> I'll think about it some more
  671. # [23:01] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175)
  672. # [23:02] * Joins: nimbu (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com)
  673. # [23:02] * Quits: divya (~nimbu@sjfw1.adobe.com) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  674. # [23:03] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-217-68-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  675. # [23:06] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  676. # [23:07] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  677. # [23:11] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-67-161-57-5.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  678. # [23:20] * Quits: isherman-book (Adium@nat/google/x-tuzvtlguahzepsjr) (Quit: Leaving.)
  679. # [23:31] * Joins: IroquoisTwist (~IroquoisT@69.170.160.74)
  680. # [23:37] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-43-120.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  681. # [23:37] * Joins: smaug (~chatzilla@a91-154-43-120.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  682. # [23:37] * smaug is now known as smaug____
  683. # [23:37] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-217-68-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  684. # [23:38] * Quits: rniwa (~rniwa@17.212.154.114) (Quit: rniwa)
  685. # [23:38] * Quits: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-221.net-82-216-180.issy1.rev.numericable.fr) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  686. # [23:40] * Joins: smaug (~chatzilla@a91-154-43-120.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  687. # [23:42] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-43-120.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  688. # [23:42] * smaug is now known as smaug____
  689. # [23:47] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.8.175) (Quit: weinig)
  690. # [23:54] * Quits: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  691. # [23:56] * Quits: Garbee (~Garbee@lb1.cluster.grephix.nl) (Excess Flood)
  692. # [23:56] * Joins: Garbee (~Garbee@lb1.cluster.grephix.nl)
  693. # [23:56] * Garbee is now known as Guest15025
  694. # [23:56] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.16.248)
  695. # [23:57] * Quits: Maurice (copyman@5ED573FA.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  696. # [23:57] * Joins: pib1944 (~pib1944@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info)
  697. # [23:58] * Guest15025 is now known as Garbee
  698. # Session Close: Sat Mar 30 00:00:00 2013

The end :)