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  6. # [00:31] <Hixie_> heh, unicode tr9 (updated) step BD9's algorithm uses a "COMEFROM" operator in the third bullet
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  9. # [00:37] <Hixie_> unicode will have at least three separate characters that are trains.
  10. # [00:38] <Hixie_> now i like trains as much as the next guy, probably more, but... really?
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  253. # [16:48] <zell> hello
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  256. # [16:50] <zell> I got an error when I'm importing script from a worker using importScripts function: Script file not found: assets/js/gamecs.min.js using file:// or gh-pages
  257. # [16:51] <zell> is possible to use Web worker's importScripts from file:// ?
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  265. # [17:18] <hsivonen> Hixie_: please let's not make things. let's keep iso-8859-1 as an alias of windows-1252. we already shipped that.
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  267. # [17:18] <hsivonen> let's not make things complicated, that is
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  273. # [17:27] <jarek> Hi
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  275. # [17:27] <jarek> is there any hope that web components / custom elements / shadow specs will never be implemented by all browser vendors?
  276. # [17:27] <jarek> it looks like only Mozilla and Google are pushing it
  277. # [17:28] <gsnedders> So, what, will it get implemented by MS?
  278. # [17:28] <zewt> that doesn't sound like an "only", heh
  279. # [17:28] <gsnedders> It sounds like almost all browser engines nowadays.
  280. # [17:29] <jarek> I really hope that it will be blocked by MS because those specs are disastrous
  281. # [17:29] <gsnedders> How so?
  282. # [17:30] <jarek> gsnedders: it's horribly bloated, all we (developers) really need is a way to sandbox DOM subtrees for the rest of the page
  283. # [17:31] <jarek> shadow DOM is overkill
  284. # [17:31] <jarek> s/for/from
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  286. # [17:32] <gsnedders> Last I looked it didn't do much more than that?
  287. # [17:33] <jarek> gsnedders: it does, it introduces syntax for custom elements and external template
  288. # [17:33] <jarek> and the <style scoped> is just ridicolous
  289. # [17:33] <jarek> it could make sense 10 years ago
  290. # [17:35] <jarek> are web components implemented in vanilla WebKit?
  291. # [17:35] <gsnedders> Mostly, yes.
  292. # [17:36] <jarek> we are doomed :/
  293. # [17:36] <gsnedders> It seems to be a supserset of what you want?
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  295. # [17:37] <gsnedders> The shadow DOM is the only part that's pretty much stable — and that does everything you want, no?
  296. # [17:38] <jarek> gsnedders: let's say that I wanted to create "button" widget
  297. # [17:39] <jarek> if I understand it correctly, the fastest way to implement it with shadow dom would be to create new shadow dom root element (document.createShadowRoot())
  298. # [17:39] <jarek> and then insert all button elements (e.g. label, icon or tooltip) inside it
  299. # [17:41] <jarek> so I end up with something like <x-button><div class="button">...</div></x-button>
  300. # [17:41] <jarek> I would rather prefer to just define my button element right away, e.g. <div class="button" sandbox="true"></div>
  301. # [17:42] <gsnedders> Or use <shadow>
  302. # [17:42] <gsnedders> <shadow><div class="button" sandbox="true"></div></shadow>
  303. # [17:42] <jarek> what about styling? Everyone should switch to inline styles now?
  304. # [17:43] <jarek> I suspect I could put @import into scoped inline style, but this would be still ugly
  305. # [17:43] <jarek> even CSS namespaces (for XML) were more elegant than that
  306. # [17:43] <gsnedders> I'm still not convincd there's any clean way to do styles in shadow DOMs.
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  308. # [17:44] <jarek> gsnedders: <div class="button" scoped-style="some-style.css"></div>
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  310. # [17:45] <jarek> or just allow "scoped" attribute on <link rel="stylesheet">
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  370. # [21:27] <pingveno> I'm adding HTML 5 support to a Python library. For datalist tags with conflicting/duplicate ids, which one should I choose? The first one? The last one?
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  372. # [21:29] <wilhelm_> pingveno: Are you sure you're not duplicating the work done here? https://code.google.com/p/html5lib/
  373. # [21:32] <Ms2ger> pingveno, what the spec says
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  378. # [21:40] <pingveno> wilhelm_: No. I'm adding to Mechanize.
  379. # [21:41] <pingveno> It's a library that emulates how a browser behaves when it visits web sites, including filling out forms.
  380. # [21:42] <pingveno> I have to figure out the best way to handle an input referring to a duplicated datalist id.
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  382. # [21:45] <pingveno> I can't find anything in the spec about how to resolve the problem.
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