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  141. # [06:04] <mortrca> I would like to see an api developed that would allow for pages to capture events for non-standard keyboard buttons such as the play/pause/next/previous and other media control buttons that many keyboards have.
  142. # [06:05] <mortrca> Is there a reliable way for me to determine if this suggestion has been made in the past?
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  161. # [07:26] <kochi> MikeSmith: yt?
  162. # [07:33] <MikeSmith> kochi: here
  163. # [07:35] <kochi> Hi Mike!
  164. # [07:36] <kochi> I read the F2F minutes of IME API part, and there was a discussion about its accessibility issue.
  165. # [07:37] <kochi> I understand there are strong oppositions for implementing an editor in <canvas>
  166. # [07:37] <MikeSmith> kochi: yep
  167. # [07:38] <kochi> but I think we shouldn't prevent those who want to do so from implementing, by restricting API
  168. # [07:38] <kochi> probably presenting such an example in the API doc isn't a good thing.
  169. # [07:40] <MikeSmith> kochi: yeah, I think part of it is just, that canvas example is quite prominent
  170. # [07:40] <MikeSmith> the spec would still be fine without that example
  171. # [07:41] <MikeSmith> so it might just be a matter of dropping that example
  172. # [07:41] <MikeSmith> you could still keep the hooks in the API
  173. # [07:41] <kochi> Ok, I feel that the example made readers have impression that "implementing editor in <canvas>" is the primary goal to achieve by the IME API
  174. # [07:41] <MikeSmith> right
  175. # [07:42] <kochi> Ok, I'll consider dropping it. Maybe coming up another good example would be better.
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  177. # [07:43] <kochi> Also I got a very detailed (even updated) API doc from Microsoft
  178. # [07:43] <kochi> which was very awesome
  179. # [07:43] <kochi> but I have a fundamental question: can we mix CSS feature in the IME API spec?
  180. # [07:44] <kochi> their proposal included CSS properties like 'ime-mode'.
  181. # [07:44] <kochi> I think it makes sense to have all IME related features in one spec rather than distributed in HTML, DOM and CSS
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  184. # [07:50] <kochi> It makes sense if the spec is used as a reference, it would be convenient to have all related information in one place, but if another authoritative CSS spec is updated, there may be discrepancy and doubles the updating effort for one thing.
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  255. # [11:49] <annevk> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect
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  257. # [11:53] <Ms2ger> 2001?
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  259. # [12:06] <annevk> I wonder if the TAG was responsible for the idea that there's no meaning inherit to the URL. Might be about time to obsolete that...
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  307. # [15:16] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Apr/0641.html seems like overkill for what mostly comes down to string equality operations... Am I missing something?
  308. # [15:16] <annevk> TabAtkins_: ^^
  309. # [15:17] <zewt> D:
  310. # [15:18] <zewt> he started with two RFCs, that's always a recipe for massive overcomplexity
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  312. # [15:19] <Redface> hi :)
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  315. # [15:21] <zewt> annevk: better to be able to compare arbitrary attributes, have a really simple comparison, then if the comparison doesn't match your site, use the sort key approach and add another attribute just for the comparison
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  318. # [15:22] <annevk> zewt: not sure what you mean
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  320. # [15:22] <zewt> though at that point i guess you may as well just use a class and skip the whole thing
  321. # [15:22] <zewt> <a href="http://weird.url" data-foo="http://simplified.url">
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  355. # [17:10] <GPHemsley> Hixie: Should I let you sort out any proposed change to the meta name list/
  356. # [17:10] <GPHemsley> ?
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  361. # [17:19] <annevk> GPHemsley: what do you mean?
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  367. # [17:39] <annevk> TabAtkins_: Keven's argument is that JavaScript's modules follow the same semantics as CSS' @import by default but can be overridden
  368. # [17:39] <annevk> Kevin*
  369. # [17:39] <TabAtkins_> I understand his argument, but it's still wrong. Also, CSS's @import is not a great model to be emulated.
  370. # [17:40] <TabAtkins_> He's attaching way too importance to the concept of a central naming authoring. (This seems to be a common failure mode among people who like namespaces - they fetishize non-collision, even when it's perfectly reasonable to allow and manage collisions).
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  372. # [17:41] <annevk> TabAtkins_: the default loader resolving against the document's URL combined with appending ".js" to the end seems silly though
  373. # [17:41] <annevk> TabAtkins_: @import semantics as default seems saner
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  376. # [17:42] <TabAtkins_> Where relative links are resolved against the stylesheet's url?
  377. # [17:42] <GPHemsley> annevk: Most of the requests for wiki accounts nowadays are for people wanting to add entries to the Meta Extensions list
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  380. # [17:44] <annevk> TabAtkins_: ah yeah, in JavaScript you might use the script's url I suppose, given it's a syntactic construct you can do that
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  382. # [17:44] <annevk> GPHemsley: ah okay, that seems fine
  383. # [17:45] <GPHemsley> annevk: which?
  384. # [17:45] <annevk> GPHemsley: people adding entries to the list
  385. # [17:45] <TabAtkins_> Problematic, though - it means that when you move code from a <script> block to a separate stylesheet, you need to change the url. Also, CSS's relative-link-resolution semantics are convenient *sometimes*, when getting resources which are situated near the stylesheet, but very frustrating when trying to link together resources in disparate locations.
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  387. # [17:45] <TabAtkins_> (I want to add a doc() or doc-url() function that's identical to url(), but resolves against the document's base url instead.)
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  389. # [17:48] <annevk> don't do base, but just the doc's URL
  390. # [17:48] <annevk> well, actually...
  391. # [17:48] <TabAtkins_> Riht, sorry, slip of fingers.
  392. # [17:48] <SimonSapin> annevk: is that not the same?
  393. # [17:49] <annevk> SimonSapin: no
  394. # [17:49] <SimonSapin> maybe with <base>?
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  396. # [17:49] <annevk> TabAtkins_: it still seems better than append ".js" and then fetch it...
  397. # [17:50] <TabAtkins_> annevk: Doesn't seem too bad to me. ^_^
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  399. # [17:50] <annevk> any other place that takes something that looks like a URL does not do that, but it's okay if JavaScript has it for modules?
  400. # [17:51] <annevk> o_O
  401. # [17:51] <TabAtkins_> It makes the module syntax look a lot like other language's module syntax, which is nice!
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  405. # [17:59] <TabAtkins_> annevk: Regarding the url matching, I think David Sheets should be ignored. Yes, URL matching is technically a pattern matching operation, but the patterns are non-trivial to author yourself, and we can offer much better.
  406. # [17:59] <TabAtkins_> Also, as he says himself, it's not able to express the :local-link() semantics. ^_^
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  412. # [18:01] <TabAtkins_> I agree that it does offer a more powerful model in total, but I don't think it's worth it for giving up the simplicity of common cases.
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  414. # [18:06] <annevk> It's a mismatch with the architecture we have today.
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  416. # [18:06] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
  417. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> good morning, Web Components
  418. # [18:09] <MikeSmith> WebKit doesn't like you any more
  419. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> but we still do
  420. # [18:10] <Ms2ger> We do?
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  422. # [18:11] <nimbu> ahahahahhaha
  423. # [18:11] <nimbu> Ms2ger is hilarious
  424. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> I am?
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  430. # [18:15] <nimbu> VERY FUNNY!
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  464. # [19:05] <til> dglazkov: can you please register appsforartists on the wiki for me
  465. # [19:06] <til> i'd like to add a link to the webgl settings object that getContext('2d') is mirroring
  466. # [19:06] <til> http://www.khronos.org/registry/webgl/specs/latest/#5.2
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  468. # [19:08] <cabanier> hixie: so this line should be taken out then: "using a font that has an http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/origin-0.html#origin that is not the http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/origin-0.html#same-origin as that of the http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dom.html#document object ….then the method must throw a http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastruct
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  479. # [19:11] <til> (CanvasOpage)
  480. # [19:11] <til> Opaque
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  482. # [19:16] <dglazkov> til: could you be asking the wrong guy? I have no idea what you're asking for :)
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  484. # [19:17] <til> you're listed here
  485. # [19:17] <til> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers%26group%3Dautoconfirmed
  486. # [19:17] <til> there's a big banner for non-logged-in users that says if you want to make an edit, run it by one of these guys
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  491. # [19:18] <til> you were listed there. weird.
  492. # [19:18] <dglazkov> til: I guess I am no longer important :)
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  496. # [19:19] <til> you're always important
  497. # [19:20] <til> Hixie: can you please make me an account at appsforartists on the wiki
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  499. # [19:20] <til> i want to link the CanvasOpaque proposal to the WebGL settings object it's implementing
  500. # [19:22] <MikeSmith> til: I can set it up, I think
  501. # [19:22] <til> hooray MikeSmith
  502. # [19:22] <til> :)
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  553. # [20:58] <gsnedders> Anyone here with the parser swapped in?
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  561. # [21:10] <gsnedders> (If anyone does, can you help check whether <button><p><button> goes into an infinite loop per spec?)
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  564. # [21:13] <jsbell> is boris zbarsky around? I can't recall his IRC nick. bzed perhaps?
  565. # [21:14] <jsbell> hrm, seems to be bz, so guess not
  566. # [21:15] <gsnedders> I don't think he's ever in here.
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  569. # [21:22] <MikeSmith> jsbell: try #developers on irc.mozilla.org
  570. # [21:23] <MikeSmith> nick is just "bz"
  571. # [21:24] <jsbell> I'll just email, not urgent. :)
  572. # [21:24] <jsbell> thanks tho!
  573. # [21:25] <gsnedders> I am fairly certain html5lib is hitting another infinite loop per spec.
  574. # [21:25] <gsnedders> This is… nice.
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  577. # [21:33] <gsnedders> Oh, no, it's just a bug in html5lib.
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  579. # [21:35] <jgraham_> Seems more likely
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  581. # [21:35] <jgraham> wilhelm: Is this power adapter yours?
  582. # [21:45] <gsnedders> jgraham: Do you want to set up critic for html5lib-tests?
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  602. # [22:10] <jgraham> gsnedders: Sure, can do
  603. # [22:11] <jgraham> Although the thought of making the API calls is making me feel tired now. In the morning I think
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  607. # [22:25] <jgraham> gsnedders: You can have some review for the patch instead
  608. # [22:25] <jgraham> I didn't merge, in case you want to
  609. # [22:26] <Hixie> cabanier: why?
  610. # [22:27] <Hixie> cabanier: if we take that out it'd be a security hole...
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