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  31. # [01:27] <Domenic_> Apparently HTML5 spec doesn't reference the URL spec? So we've got some annoying people in the Node.js bug tracker claiming that since HTML5 references outdated RFCs, Node should implement their resolution algorithm instead of the URL spec's.
  32. # [01:27] <Domenic_> Any chance of getting HTML5 updated to point to the proper URL spec?
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  34. # [01:28] <heycam> Domenic_, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/references.html#refsURL
  35. # [01:29] <heycam> (looks like the W3C version doesn't, though)
  36. # [01:31] <Domenic_> ah, that must be the source of the confusion :(
  37. # [01:39] <cabanier> Ms2ger: prefixes strike again.
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  69. # [03:06] <Domenic_> .>?/[[]kk[p
  70. # [03:09] <Domenic_> Here's a list of other standards that might need updating to reference the URL spec: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/5452#issuecomment-17788325
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  310. # [11:23] <zcorpan> MikeSmit1: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21994
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  317. # [11:39] <darobin_> zcorpan: do you know if it is possible to change the name of a component in bugzilla without breaking existing searches that involve it?
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  320. # [11:39] <zcorpan> darobin: dunno, but it changed recently anyway
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  323. # [11:40] <darobin> heh
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  327. # [11:47] <zcorpan> is "backwards compatible" wrong English?
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  330. # [11:50] <jgraham> No, but "wrong English" is incorrect English.
  331. # [11:55] <zcorpan> ""Backward" never has an "s" when used as an adjective, only when used as an adverb." - https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21995
  332. # [11:58] <tomasf> but isn't it an adverb in that case? compatible in a backward way
  333. # [11:58] <jgraham> It is possible that "backward compatible" is more right
  334. # [11:59] <jgraham> But I don't think it's a big deal
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  346. # [12:51] <gsnedders> So with var foo = new Worker('foo.js'); foo.postMessage(…) does the postMessage block until foo.js is loaded?
  347. # [12:51] * gsnedders is confused how the example in the spec are safe
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  351. # [12:55] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, wasn't there a queue for messages like that?
  352. # [12:55] <Ms2ger> Or the spec is buggy, that's possible too
  353. # [12:55] <gsnedders> I dunno. I scarcely know this stuff.
  354. # [12:55] <gsnedders> tl;dr: can I safely do this?
  355. # [12:56] <Ms2ger> tl;dr: maybe
  356. # [12:57] <gsnedders> Yeah, I think it's fine. It just adds it to the message queue.
  357. # [12:57] <gsnedders> Is there any way to know when a worker has loaded, short of sending a message from it?
  358. # [13:04] <darobin> I don't think that you get load events from workers
  359. # [13:04] <darobin> that might be a bug
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  363. # [13:11] <gsnedders> I want to be able to call URL.revokeObjectURL once the worker has loaded.
  364. # [13:11] <gsnedders> Because, well, yeah, don't need the blob any more.
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  460. # [14:48] <gsnedders> Is there anything except __proto__ in ES6 that requires all objects to keep realm?
  461. # [14:49] <jgraham> So, wait, what? W3C/Charles/Yandex/someone decided to write Yet Another URL Spec?
  462. # [14:49] <Ms2ger> Charles
  463. # [14:49] <Ms2ger> Is RFC style
  464. # [14:49] <Ms2ger> In*
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  467. # [14:50] <jgraham> Well you assume Yandex wouldn't pay him to waste our time like that, but you never know
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  530. # [15:45] <zewt> so i suppose nobody is replying on that url thread because nobody can think of anything to say beyond "we've already got one" and "why are you wasting our time"
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  653. # [17:18] <darobin> anyone know where hober lives?
  654. # [17:18] <darobin> he owes me a script :)
  655. # [17:19] <darobin> contacts in the Bay Area that can handle fingernails with a pair of pliers are also of interest
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  657. # [17:25] <tantek> darobin - saw him wandering on Haight Street just yesterday. he wasn't selling scripts at the time.
  658. # [17:26] <darobin> tantek: damn, I *knew* he was just slacking off
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  762. # [19:02] <TabAtkins> I really wonder why Björn prefers to use www-archive as a blog. Maybe he assumes it'll be more permanent than anything he hosts himself?
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  902. # [21:05] <matjas> annevk: did *.html5.org stop running PHP or something? http://mathias.html5.org/data/unicode/format returns 500 and I can’t ssh in to test atm (shitty hotel wifi)
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  915. # [21:16] <darobin> hober!!!
  916. # [21:16] <darobin> my dearest friend hobe
  917. # [21:16] <darobin> hober
  918. # [21:17] <astearns> needs a few more syllables to be a proper haiku
  919. # [21:18] <darobin> astearns: add liberally
  920. # [21:18] <TabAtkins> darobin is drunk. ^_^
  921. # [21:18] <darobin> TabAtkins: no, I'm just adamantly looking for hober :)
  922. # [21:19] <astearns> if the first line scans as, ho-ber-bang-bang-bang it's an OK start
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  925. # [21:23] <darobin> hober, I look for
  926. # [21:23] <darobin> you, hober, adamantly
  927. # [21:23] <darobin> look for you, hober
  928. # [21:23] <astearns> heh
  929. # [21:23] <darobin> there, haiku
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  938. # [21:41] * hallvors expects standards discussions in haiku - format from darobin now :)
  939. # [21:42] <darobin> hallvors: please don't tempt me
  940. # [21:42] <darobin> hallvors: btw, I hope to be able to get around to the configuration bug this week
  941. # [21:42] <darobin> I'll divide and conquer the setup
  942. # [21:42] <darobin> until I get something sensible
  943. # [21:42] <darobin> and screw people trying to use the server at the same time :)
  944. # [21:43] <hallvors> thanks, great if we get it resolved
  945. # [21:44] <hallvors> first try to simply use AddHandler for PHP instead of Filter in the conf file - might help
  946. # [21:44] <darobin> hallvors: ah yes, good point, I'll give that a shot
  947. # [21:44] <hallvors> and I admit that it's tempting to tempt you ;)
  948. # [21:44] <darobin> hallvors: will you be around tomorrow and Wednesday EU time?
  949. # [21:45] <darobin> hallvors: yeah, but if I get tempted it might take a while for that problem to get fixed
  950. # [21:45] <hallvors> yes, most likely
  951. # [21:45] * hallvors will wait until the problem is fixed, then tempt
  952. # [21:45] <darobin> Apache configuration is really painful, but doing it in haiku is tougher still
  953. # [21:45] <darobin> hehe
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  955. # [21:46] <darobin> anyway, I'm off
  956. # [21:46] <darobin> if anyone sees hober, please tell him that it's not nice to hide like that!
  957. # [21:46] * darobin cries a little
  958. # [21:46] <hallvors> At some point I was involved in translating Opera's language files to haiku. The poetic UI was nice fun, but we didn't get far.
  959. # [21:46] <darobin> lol
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  962. # [21:51] <jgraham> Spring is nearly through
  963. # [21:51] <jgraham> Still Apache will not work
  964. # [21:51] <jgraham> It makes Hallvord sad
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  966. # [21:55] <nimbu> nice work jgraham
  967. # [21:56] <annevk> matjas: hmm dunno
  968. # [21:56] <annevk> matjas: should just work
  969. # [21:57] <nimbu> gaiz this new daft punk album will make you all sad and write more haikus
  970. # [21:57] <annevk> nimbu: it's bad?
  971. # [21:57] <jgraham> Because it is terrible?
  972. # [21:57] * jgraham has only heard the single
  973. # [21:57] <nimbu> it is not as good as their other work but most songs are just sad in general :(
  974. # [21:58] <nimbu> this Touch song especially
  975. # [21:58] <nimbu> sets the very sad tone
  976. # [21:58] <annevk> :(
  977. # [21:58] <annevk> Daft Punk was my favorite thing for a while
  978. # [21:58] <nimbu> i mean its good in parts
  979. # [21:59] <nimbu> not like the rest of the work
  980. # [21:59] <nimbu> the last song is a disaster
  981. # [22:00] <nimbu> giorgio by moroder and motherboard are the bestest
  982. # [22:00] <annevk> TabAtkins: can't make it tomorrow I'm afraid
  983. # [22:00] <TabAtkins> No problem, there's always next time.
  984. # [22:01] <annevk> hallvors: are you saying Chrome is the only impl that dispatches two events or the only one that does one?
  985. # [22:02] <annevk> hallvors: IE10 seems to dispatch 3 events for open() -> send() -> open()
  986. # [22:02] <annevk> hallvors: which I think matches what the specification used to require for send(), which used to be based on IE
  987. # [22:02] <annevk> hallvors: so that seems about right
  988. # [22:03] <annevk> hallvors: although not what we want I guess if we only want readystatechange to dispatch when readyState changes (which is a terrible model, but I guess if we can be consistent with a terrible model it's nice)
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  1025. # [22:53] <TabAtkins> annevk: We've changed :local-link to be closer to the URL spec. We ran into one issue, though, that we're not sure how to handle appropriately.
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  1027. # [22:54] <TabAtkins> On some servers, "/foo" and "/foo/" can both exist and be different - one's a file, one's a folder.
  1028. # [22:54] <annevk> they're different in the URL spec
  1029. # [22:54] <annevk> they were not different in the CSS spec
  1030. # [22:54] <TabAtkins> Does that mean that, if comparing them to "/foo/bar/", they should both match up to 1 path segment? The "/foo" doesn't technically match in *any* path segments.
  1031. # [22:54] <TabAtkins> On the server, at least.
  1032. # [22:55] <TabAtkins> Completely different issue than what you're thinking of.
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  1038. # [23:04] <annevk> Delta and KLM created an infinite loop between them. So great.
  1039. # [23:05] <annevk> TabAtkins: so /foo is one path segment and /foo/ is two (the latter being the empty string)
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  1050. # [23:06] <annevk> TabAtkins: /foo/bar/ would be three, "foo", "bar", ""
  1051. # [23:06] <TabAtkins> Yes. The issue is that "/foo/" matches "/foo/bar", in that both start with "find the foo folder". But "/foo" and "/foo/bar" kinda dont', since the former is "find the foo file", which is differetnf rom "find the foo folder".
  1052. # [23:06] <hallvors> annevk: sorry, had banking stuff to do
  1053. # [23:07] <hallvors> why do you say it's a "terrible model" to fire readystatechange only when readyState actually changes? Certainly makes sense to me..
  1054. # [23:07] <annevk> TabAtkins: I guess you could only consider matching if it's not the last segment
  1055. # [23:08] <annevk> hallvors: readyState is a terrible model
  1056. # [23:08] <hallvors> hm. as in compared to onerror/onload model?
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  1059. # [23:10] <hallvors> argh. another netbank timeout..
  1060. # [23:11] <hallvors> I guess it doesn't work to try to do online banking and understanding annevk at the same time
  1061. # [23:12] <TabAtkins> annevk: That's what we wanted to ask you about. ^_^ We just want to match the URL spec, but we're not certain whether the URL spec is doing the right thing here or not.
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  1063. # [23:12] <annevk> hallvors: heh
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  1068. # [23:13] <annevk> hallvors: yeah, you basically want different handlers for different events
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  1072. # [23:13] <annevk> TabAtkins: the URL spec is not doing much here :)
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  1075. # [23:13] <TabAtkins> Heh, yeah, but it will define a URL matching function at some point.
  1076. # [23:13] <annevk> TabAtkins: it's just doing parsing and canonicalization and handles the difference between /foo and /foo/ just fine
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  1078. # [23:14] <annevk> TabAtkins: right, I don't really know what the criteria for that should be :/
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  1081. # [23:14] <TabAtkins> Kk, we'll leave it as an issue for now and participate in the url spec discussion.
  1082. # [23:14] <annevk> TabAtkins: I've been trying to get feedback, but it seems to be a very under-researched field
  1083. # [23:14] <annevk> TabAtkins: maybe Google server guys know a thing about this?
  1084. # [23:15] <annevk> TabAtkins: Google app properties should have some experience too I reckon
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  1088. # [23:18] <annevk> TabAtkins: also, at some point talking about push notifications would be good; not really sure who on your side would be interested in that though
  1089. # [23:19] <annevk> hober: ^^
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  1107. # [23:37] <TabAtkins> annevk: hm, kk.
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