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  31. # [00:32] <dkiss> pls link me list of all meta values for http-euqiv attribute thanks
  32. # [00:33] <tantek> dkiss, try asking siri
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  34. # [00:34] <dkiss> ?
  35. # [00:35] <dkiss> wat
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  37. # [00:36] <dkiss> I cant find it anywhere
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  48. # [00:55] <gavinc> tantek: *snicker*
  49. # [00:55] <dkiss> what should I use to tell browsers to update their cache? I saw last-modified is not valid meta name value :S
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  55. # [01:00] <dkiss> also I have one more question, in keywords attribute can I put english and macedonian words together separated with , ?
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  62. # [01:07] <Hixie> dkiss: you have to do it at the HTTP level, <meta> won't do anything
  63. # [01:07] <Hixie> dkiss: also, keywords meta is a waste of time
  64. # [01:07] <Hixie> search engines ignore it
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  66. # [01:09] <dkiss> ok
  67. # [01:09] <dkiss> :|
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  69. # [01:09] <dkiss> Hixie if you need help pls tell me writing html spec I want to volunteer :)
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  72. # [01:09] <Hixie> we have many specs that need editors
  73. # [01:10] <dekiss> I am finishing some projects for my firm and after that I will be free to help you guys will apply soon
  74. # [01:10] <Hixie> apply?
  75. # [01:11] <Hixie> all this work is done by volunteers or people whose company is paying them to work on it
  76. # [01:11] <Hixie> almost all of us started as volunteers
  77. # [01:11] <dekiss> yeah I wil lapply for volunteering
  78. # [01:11] <Hixie> no need to apply, you're accepted. just do the work ;-)
  79. # [01:12] <dekiss> :) thanks
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  96. # [02:04] <Hixie> hey we let _you_ edit
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  152. # [03:56] <GPHemsley> Specs todo could probably use a good audit
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  155. # [04:05] <zewt> add it to the spec todo
  156. # [04:07] <GPHemsley> heh
  157. # [04:08] <boogyman> haha
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  254. # [09:42] <annevk> odinho_: can you look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869874 please
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  267. # [10:44] <dekiss> good morning all
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  279. # [11:22] <dkiss> is this complete list of http-equiv attribute posible values? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms537417(v=vs.85).aspx
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  282. # [11:32] <dekiss> which is best way to cntrol how browsers cahce my web page?
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  311. # [13:08] <odinho_> annevk: Yeah, I took a look at it, but I have not a full debugging setup since I've changed computers since moving to Desktop.
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  314. # [13:10] <odinho> I will do that when back at work again where I probably should set up a system again.
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  322. # [13:33] <dekiss> what I don't understand about expire http header is this, someone visit my webpage and current date is after the expires date on my webpage so he gets fresh copy but then he visits again in the next day and he again takes fresh copy? or his browser knows that he has good copy on hdd?
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  389. # [17:30] <GPHemsley> SimonSapin: Were you aware of http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc/datauri/ ? (It's from jreschke.)
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  405. # [18:10] <odinho> GPHemsley: annevk seems to read logs (hi there, man!)
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  412. # [18:21] <GPHemsley> odinho: Yeah, but he's the only one I know of.
  413. # [18:21] * Ms2ger raises hand
  414. # [18:22] <GPHemsley> good to know
  415. # [18:24] <GPHemsley> Help me out with phrasing here: " Once a MIME type has been extracted according to the syntax of its containing protocol, it must be parsed in order to obtain the information it contains. "
  416. # [18:24] <Ms2ger> What are you trying to accomplish? :)
  417. # [18:25] <GPHemsley> I want to tell anyone implementing the "parse a MIME type" algorithm that they're to handle any protocol-specific stuff (like URL encoding, or multi-line unescaping) before they run the algorithm, and that the only way to extract information from a MIME type is by running this algorithm
  418. # [18:28] <Ms2ger> Mm
  419. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> I'd think the first part should be obvious from the layering
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  421. # [18:30] <GPHemsley> you'd think, but you wouldn't always be right ;)
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  423. # [18:40] <odinho> I'm always on, and I frequently read backlog.
  424. # [18:40] <odinho> That's the same as log reading, only without the irritating log reading.
  425. # [18:41] <dekiss> guys did I talked to real Hixie yesterday?
  426. # [18:42] <tantek> dekiss, identity on IRC, it is a challenge isn't it?
  427. # [18:43] <dekiss> yep :)
  428. # [18:43] <dekiss> he said he is he was admin here but never replied to my mail i sent him test email and asked for him to reply as I see he is really him :)
  429. # [18:45] <tantek> he gets a lot of email :)
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  434. # [18:59] <GPHemsley> odinho: Indeed.
  435. # [18:59] <GPHemsley> dekiss: If we tell you no, will you stop asking?
  436. # [19:05] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: No tips?
  437. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> Can't come up with anything, I'm afraid
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  441. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> dekiss, and yes, Hixie is Hixie
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  444. # [19:11] <dekiss> have you edited some html css content or something else
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  526. # [20:52] <zcorpan> GPHemsley: for parameters, you can test parsing in other headers than content-type. For instance, Link: <foo.css>; type=stylesheet; title=etc
  527. # [20:52] <zcorpan> GPHemsley: or Content-Disposition: download; filename="..."
  528. # [20:54] <zcorpan> er, attachment
  529. # [20:54] <zcorpan> Refresh: ...
  530. # [20:54] <zcorpan> Set-Cookie:
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  535. # [21:05] <Ms2ger> Set-Cookie2
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  543. # [21:11] <GPHemsley> zcorpan: I was wondering about that... are all HTTP headers parsed the same? Because this algorithm assumes it only applies specifically to MIME types.
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  545. # [21:15] <zcorpan> GPHemsley: i don't know, but it might be worth looking into
  546. # [21:15] <GPHemsley> perhaps
  547. # [21:15] <zcorpan> it would make sense to parse them the same
  548. # [21:16] <GPHemsley> in some ways yes and in some ways no
  549. # [21:16] <GPHemsley> MIME types are (now) defined independent of HTTP
  550. # [21:16] <GPHemsley> and I don't know the extent of coordination between the two
  551. # [21:17] <GPHemsley> (since HTTP 1.1 was defined)
  552. # [21:19] <zcorpan> i'm more interested in whether current implementations use the same parser for all headers
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  557. # [21:29] <GPHemsley> I don't think they do
  558. # [21:29] <GPHemsley> but that's just my anecdotal impression
  559. # [21:30] <GPHemsley> (since I know I've look at MIME type-specific code)
  560. # [21:30] <GPHemsley> +ed
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  563. # [21:40] * GPHemsley wonders why IETF has so often chosen to abbreviate "parameter" as "parm" instead of "param"...
  564. # [21:40] <GPHemsley> it makes me hungry...
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  567. # [21:45] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: Is there a way to make anolis use a different timezone than UTC?
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  570. # [21:47] <Ms2ger> GPHemsley, not at this point; patches welcome
  571. # [21:47] <GPHemsley> Where in the code might that go?
  572. # [21:47] <Ms2ger> anolislib/processes/sub.py
  573. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> Where it says time.gmtime() now :)
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  579. # [22:02] <dekiss> should I wrap my website in article element?
  580. # [22:02] <dekiss> if I want to make in the left side logo and in right some picture or s;lideshow should I put invisible header element?
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  583. # [22:04] <dekiss> in which element should I wrap my website?
  584. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> body
  585. # [22:05] <dekiss> :)
  586. # [22:05] <dekiss> other,
  587. # [22:05] <dekiss> so I can put my website in middle of screen
  588. # [22:05] <dekiss> div? or
  589. # [22:07] <dekiss> I cant put body in the middle, that way I must put every element in the middle separately
  590. # [22:07] <dekiss> and I will not have control over webwite
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  595. # [22:16] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: Not the best code, but there you go.
  596. # [22:20] <dekiss> why when I put h1 and h2 heading in hgroup element they are boh same size?
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  609. # [23:03] <GPHemsley> Hixie: What was the difficulty in defining a "resource" again?
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  619. # [23:14] <dekiss> should I give ids and classes to html5 semantic section element like header nav section article?
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