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  13. # [00:38] <dekiss> can I make contenteditable to not make new divs for each enter key I press?
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  16. # [00:43] <dekiss> what is best way to make wysiwyg editor?
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  22. # [01:10] <dekiss> can I put in html unicode code of some character and in browser to show the cahracter not t he code
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  27. # [01:20] <slowhands> hmm
  28. # [01:20] <slowhands> there is this component called CKEditor, it may be open source
  29. # [01:21] <slowhands> you might want to take a look at that
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  42. # [02:00] <dekiss> slowhands, thanks for information
  43. # [02:00] <slowhands> np also check out redactor
  44. # [02:00] <dekiss> yeah I know it I am concerned about security so I think ilkl make my own editor
  45. # [02:00] <dekiss> however
  46. # [02:00] <dekiss> <dekiss> enter is newline character in html?
  47. # [02:00] <dekiss> <dekiss> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/white-space
  48. # [02:00] <dekiss> <dekiss> which is newline character?
  49. # [02:00] <slowhands> new line in html?
  50. # [02:00] <slowhands> you might want a <br>
  51. # [02:01] <slowhands> or <br/> depending on your html target
  52. # [02:01] <Hixie> you're unlikely to need a <br>
  53. # [02:01] <Hixie> unless you're doing a postal address or poem or some such
  54. # [02:02] <slowhands> the white-space property is extremely helpful
  55. # [02:02] <slowhands> especially when you don't want line breaks
  56. # [02:03] <dekiss> yeah I know but here I am not sure what 'newline character' is : https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/white-space
  57. # [02:03] <dekiss> thank you for help
  58. # [02:03] <dekiss> Hixie nice live DOM tree viewer if you made it ^^ :) http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/#
  59. # [02:03] <dekiss> good job
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  62. # [02:04] <Hixie> thanks
  63. # [02:05] <dekiss> I am not sure why but I have set white-space: pre-wrap; on textarea and when I press enter and when I put more white spaces with spacebar nothing hapens
  64. # [02:05] <slowhands> it would be really cool if you integrated it with jsfiddle or gists
  65. # [02:05] <Hixie> not gonna happen :-)
  66. # [02:05] <dekiss> in paragraph sorry not textarea
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  68. # [02:07] <slowhands> it would be cool. but thats ok
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  71. # [02:08] <dekiss> I am sorry I missed the selector -_-
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  73. # [02:09] <slowhands> i didn't realize you were referring to form inputs
  74. # [02:10] <dekiss> yaa word-space ftw!
  75. # [02:10] <dekiss> white* haha
  76. # [02:10] <dekiss> omg I need one episode of star trek to make little pause ^^
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  79. # [02:14] <dekiss> which is best element for making structure of webpage? I use section element as generic element to divide my webpage into sections I have a lot of section elements is this bad? any idea what to use if not section? div will be better? or it doesn't matter so much?
  80. # [02:17] <slowhands> no not bad
  81. # [02:17] <slowhands> but older browsers will bug out
  82. # [02:17] <slowhands> you will need the shiv/shim
  83. # [02:17] <dekiss> ok thanks
  84. # [02:17] <slowhands> the typical hierarchy is sections then articles
  85. # [02:18] <slowhands> divs for more unconventional things
  86. # [02:18] <slowhands> try to keep it semantic
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  89. # [02:18] <slowhands> with nav and footer
  90. # [02:18] <slowhands> a good resource is CodeSchool. I really like their html5 course. its really interactive and pretty fast
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  113. # [04:03] <dekiss> which is newline character in html?On deciaml html unicode code unit of enter key I don't get new line
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  124. # [04:59] <dekiss> YEEEEEEEEE
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  276. # [18:43] <marcdm> hey all
  277. # [18:43] <marcdm> I have some questions regarding html5lib-python, anyone want to help me out?
  278. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> You can always try
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  287. # [19:23] <SimonSapin> marcdm: just ask, someone might answer later
  288. # [19:24] <marcdm> it's ok. I think I posted it to the mailing list. If it doesn't go thru (I don't see it yet), I'll post an issue on github
  289. # [19:25] <marcdm> it's about the treewalker/_base.py. it does isinstance(name, six.text_type) where I think it should be isinstance(name, six.string_types)
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  298. # [19:51] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: Did you see all my babbling from yesterday after you left?
  299. # [19:51] <GPHemsley> about html5lib and anolis
  300. # [19:52] <Ms2ger> Attribute order? I don't quite remember what the story was there
  301. # [19:52] * Ms2ger looks
  302. # [19:54] <Ms2ger> http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/issues/detail?id=153
  303. # [19:55] <GPHemsley> https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-python/issues/37
  304. # [19:56] <GPHemsley> but AFAICT, attributes are not actually maintained in their original order
  305. # [19:57] <GPHemsley> (and there appear to be 4 different commits associated with that bug that presume to do the same thing)
  306. # [19:57] <GPHemsley> oh, I should say that I installed the git html5lib using the instructions on the wiki
  307. # [19:57] <GPHemsley> and I didn't get the dependencies I needed
  308. # [19:58] <GPHemsley> so it's possible that I missed others
  309. # [19:58] <GPHemsley> "sudo python setup.py install" apparently doesn't use the requirements.txt file(s)
  310. # [20:01] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Basically no Python document tree API preserves attribute order
  311. # [20:01] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: So what html5lib does is basically irrelevant
  312. # [20:01] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: Are you sure that your fix made things better and not worse? At least sorting them alphabetically maintains a predictable order.
  313. # [20:02] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: There's a filter that gives the old behaviour
  314. # [20:02] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Of giving alphabetical order.
  315. # [20:03] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: How does that work? (Or does Ms2ger already know?)
  316. # [20:03] <Ms2ger> I don't
  317. # [20:04] <GPHemsley> because this breaks the tests for anolis, and will likely cause unnecessary churn in specs (IIUC)
  318. # [20:04] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: The point is given a tree API that does preserve order, html5lib should roundtrip correctly. This means we can't blindingly reorder attributes.
  319. # [20:05] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: Well, I don't know the particulars, but it doesn't seem like whatever anolis is using is preserving order, either alphabetical or given
  320. # [20:05] <gsnedders> Probably we should make the filter have a native API in the serializer much as inject_meta_charset, etc., is
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  322. # [20:06] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Right, given a lot of tree APIs in Python you will get no defined order (in practice, it's the hash of a dict key)
  323. # [20:07] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: So are you saying that you removed the alphabetical sorting from html5lib without replacing it with something that preserves order? (I don't really know how html5lib works.)
  324. # [20:08] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: By default, yes. (You have to realize html5lib doesn't have any tree format of its own — it just uses various existing XML toolchains, and they're what don't preserve order.)
  325. # [20:08] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Optionally, you can preserve order. We do this for the html5lib test suite, for obvious reason (i.e., determinism).
  326. # [20:08] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: So you have to tell html5lib which tree format to us?
  327. # [20:08] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Yes.
  328. # [20:09] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: So I guess we need to do this?
  329. # [20:10] <gsnedders> GPHemsley, Ms2ger: can one of you file a bug on the AlphabeticizeAttributes filter not having a native API like inject_meta_charset?
  330. # [20:10] <gsnedders> Because that is an oversight.
  331. # [20:10] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: I'll leave that to you, as I assume you have a better knowledge of the inner workings of html5lib.
  332. # [20:10] <gsnedders> (html5lib.serialize(my_document, alphabeticize_attributes=True) should work as an API basically)
  333. # [20:10] <gsnedders> Rather than having to use the long-hand API.
  334. # [20:11] <gsnedders> marcdm: Oh, someone mentioned that on IRC before.
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  336. # [20:11] <gsnedders> marcdm: File a bug, as that probably shouldn't be the behaviour on Python 2.
  337. # [20:11] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: As an aside, do you have any idea why I wouldn't have gotten the right dependencies installed when I installed html5lib per the WHATWG wiki article?
  338. # [20:11] <gsnedders> What wiki article?
  339. # [20:12] <GPHemsley> sudo python setup.py install
  340. # [20:12] <GPHemsley> err
  341. # [20:12] <GPHemsley> ugh
  342. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> GPHemsley, that's an assumption I'm not sure is warranted :)
  343. # [20:12] <GPHemsley> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Anolis
  344. # [20:12] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: Well, I defer to you anyway ;)
  345. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> I don't want to think about attribute order tonight, file an issue? :)
  346. # [20:12] <gsnedders> Why does that wiki article not just say to use pip for all of them?
  347. # [20:13] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: Probably for historical reasons
  348. # [20:13] <GPHemsley> gsnedders: (Which is not to say it shouldn't now.)
  349. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> pip? What's that? ;)
  350. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> And in particular, that'd require me to upload anolis to pypy rather more often, I'd think
  351. # [20:14] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: I meant for the dependencies.
  352. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> Python dependencies make me cry
  353. # [20:14] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Do what the hell you want for Anolis, that's your project. ;P
  354. # [20:15] <Ms2ger> If you mean for lxml/cssselect, I blame... tantek?
  355. # [20:15] <GPHemsley> gsnedders, Ms2ger: https://github.com/html5lib/html5lib-python/issues/62
  356. # [20:15] <gsnedders> For html5lib it says you have to use it from git. I wonder why.
  357. # [20:15] <gsnedders> Did Anolis not work with 0.95?
  358. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> It did
  359. # [20:16] <gsnedders> GPHemsley: Cheers.
  360. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> (It used to refer to google code)
  361. # [20:16] <gsnedders> Now really I'm going away.
  362. # [20:17] * Ms2ger waves
  363. # [20:19] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: So now what do we do with this order filter thing?
  364. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> File an Anolis issue? :)
  365. # [20:20] <marcdm> gsnedders: issue #63 submitted on github
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  369. # [20:33] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/anolis/issue/16/force-sorted-attributes
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  371. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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