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  84. # [05:21] <annevk> abarth: RemoteDocumentMessaging can be done through localStorage
  85. # [05:21] <abarth> yes, but that has bad performance
  86. # [05:21] <annevk> abarth: not exactly ideal because of synchronous IO, but might be worth studying how people use that today
  87. # [05:21] <annevk> abarth: I added a pointer to the wiki which has further pointers
  88. # [05:22] <abarth> thanks
  89. # [05:23] <annevk> hahaha: http://www.google.com/patents/US7730419
  90. # [05:24] <annevk> http://www.google.com/patents/US7426699 if you can patent that kind of stuff... geez
  91. # [05:30] <abarth> annevk: do you other thoughts on the proposal?
  92. # [05:31] <annevk> abarth: I'm a bit worried that we made workers so costly and not good enough API-wise that we're instead inventing things like event pages and such (for which I imagine this is meant as well) that do not exactly lead us towards a better parallel world
  93. # [05:32] <annevk> abarth: it's kinda orthogonal in a way I suppose, but we should really start figuring something out there
  94. # [05:33] <abarth> i'm not sure I understand. i guess you're saying that you'd prefer if we found a way for workers to use less resources?
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  96. # [05:33] <abarth> event pages seem somewhat unrelated to me
  97. # [05:33] <abarth> we could make shared workers have a "wake me up when needed" semantic
  98. # [05:34] <annevk> Well, event pages need a way to communicate with other windows... I was kinda hoping event pages for the web could just be workers, but it seems like workers are not ready yet for that :/
  99. # [05:35] <abarth> why can't event pages just use message ports, like workers?
  100. # [05:35] <abarth> i guess it depends on how they're created
  101. # [05:35] <abarth> because the worker is created by a page, the page has a JS interface that has a message port hanging off of it
  102. # [05:36] <abarth> so, it's more about the creation mechanism than about unicast versus multicast
  103. # [05:36] <annevk> fair enough, but I thought workers was our solution for things not running on the main thread
  104. # [05:37] <abarth> in Chrome, we have many main threads, one per process
  105. # [05:37] <annevk> sure
  106. # [05:37] <abarth> BroadcastChannel lets them communicate
  107. # [05:37] <abarth> iirespective of event pages
  108. # [05:38] <annevk> I understand all that. As I said, my concern is kinda orthogonal
  109. # [05:38] <annevk> Something like broadcastchannel makes sense to have.
  110. # [05:38] <abarth> ah ok
  111. # [05:39] <abarth> my understanding is that reason the extension folks chose event/background pages rather than workers
  112. # [05:39] <abarth> is because they wanted them to be able to build DOM
  113. # [05:39] <abarth> and present that DOM in UI surfaces, like balloons
  114. # [05:40] <abarth> I'm not sure how many extensions actually do that
  115. # [05:40] <abarth> in that sense, they're on the main thread
  116. # [05:40] <annevk> What I heard was 1) more APIs available 2) workers require too much resources
  117. # [05:41] <abarth> workers require fewer resources than HTML documents
  118. # [05:41] <abarth> more API -> the ability to build DOM
  119. # [05:41] <annevk> I think the way workers are implemented they're more costly than running another thing on the main thread.
  120. # [05:41] <annevk> Which is rather sucky :(
  121. # [05:41] <abarth> in chrome or in other browsers?
  122. # [05:41] <abarth> that was true in the original implementation in chrome
  123. # [05:42] <annevk> Both Chrome and Firefox?
  124. # [05:42] <annevk> Oh
  125. # [05:42] <abarth> but we've fixed that :)
  126. # [05:42] <annevk> I think we might have regressed
  127. # [05:42] <abarth> we didn't use to be able to run multiple JS threads in the same process
  128. # [05:42] <abarth> but we can now
  129. # [05:42] <annevk> cool cool
  130. # [05:43] <abarth> dedicated workers, however, are very rarely used
  131. # [05:43] <abarth> essentially all workers are shared workers
  132. # [05:43] <abarth> at least according to usage stats
  133. # [05:43] <annevk> interesting, I think we might have just landed support for shared workers
  134. # [05:44] <annevk> hmm I need to go, I think it's boarding time
  135. # [05:44] <annevk> thanks for the chat
  136. # [05:44] <abarth> have a good flight
  137. # [05:44] <abarth> thanks for the feedback
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  394. # [19:29] <zcorpan> + <li><p>Let <var title="">message</var> be a user-agent-defined
  395. # [19:29] <zcorpan> + string describing the error in a helpful manner.</p></li>
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  397. # [19:30] <zcorpan> (maybe that should be fleshed out so we get interop on the message?)
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  421. # [20:16] <GPHemsley> annevk: Please review: http://wiki.whatwg.org/index.php?title=Contexts&oldid=9195
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  424. # [20:19] <GPHemsley> annevk: Actually, better link: http://wiki.whatwg.org/index.php?title=Contexts&diff=9195&oldid=9180
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  426. # [20:33] <GPHemsley> Hixie: Can you elaborate on how javascript: URLs are used in <img> elements? http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#javascript-protocol
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  431. # [21:08] <gsnedders> jgraham: I suspect r/103 is just you having missed comments on a issue you raised
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