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  12. # [00:21] <gsnedders> TabAtkins: html5lib 1.0b2 has a alphabetical_attribute option on html5lib.serialize and html5lib.serializer.HTMLSerializer
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  29. # [00:48] <Hixie_> rafaelw: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17930 http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7999&to=8000
  30. # [00:50] <rafaelw> Excellent. On my todo list to review.
  31. # [00:50] <rafaelw> Thanks
  32. # [00:50] <Hixie_> cool
  33. # [00:59] <TabAtkins> gsnedders: Ah, I'm looking at the google code repo, and it's not showing it. I presume your repo is elsewhere now.
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  35. # [01:00] <gsnedders> TabAtkins: As Google Code says on the home page, in massive letters, we have moved.
  36. # [01:01] <TabAtkins> If I were to click to the homepage, rather than reading the page I landed at which showed the exact class I was interested in, I'd have seen that. ^_^
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  41. # [01:05] <gsnedders> I should totally get around to booking hotel in SF. But that means decided when I'm going there (from San Jose). Decisions, man, decisions!
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  43. # [01:06] <gsnedders> I guess it probably depends on who wants to meet up down around there.
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  45. # [01:06] <Hixie_> so the next thing to fix is the parser's assumption in the html section that we're not in a foreign section (or that if we are, that the tokens it's generating are going to match html nodes, not foreign ones)
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  47. # [01:10] <TabAtkins> gsnedders: Anyway, thanks for adding the option. Using it now.
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  102. # [03:41] <zewt> TabAtkins: "add bloat to the platform so I don't have to learn anything new" D:
  103. # [03:41] <TabAtkins> Yeah. :/
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  155. # [08:56] <Ms2ger> Hixie_, cloneNode defaults to true in Gecko too
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  158. # [09:06] <Ms2ger> Looks like Gecko has @srcdoc now
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  186. # [09:51] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: moving getElementById to ParentNode would mean Element would end up having it too, right?
  187. # [09:51] <Ms2ger> Doesn't it?
  188. # [09:51] <MikeSmith> it doesn't now I don't think
  189. # [09:51] <Ms2ger> Oh, not Id
  190. # [09:52] <Ms2ger> Only TagName/TagNameNS/ClassName
  191. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  197. # [10:20] <annevk> Hixie_: I think Chrome might default to false because they didn't have actual optional arguments to begin with
  198. # [10:20] <annevk> Hixie_: for cloneNode(), arv can prolly get that fixed
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  230. # [14:03] <galant> how can I find cursor/caret position in contenteditable section element?
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  254. # [15:48] <zewt> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22515 "find"? is that a weird typo of "querySelector"
  255. # [15:49] <Ms2ger> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api2/#find
  256. # [15:50] <zewt> looks like something that ... doesn't exist
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  258. # [15:53] <zewt> can we just say no to specs that screaming-caps MUST
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  260. # [15:59] <zewt> so findAll() wouldn't return objects in tree order like querySelectorAll?
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  269. # [16:26] <galant> companies that makes web browsers must implement standards that are defined by w3c?
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  271. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> No
  272. # [16:35] <galant> what is this ? http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/
  273. # [16:35] <galant> who makes dom technology whatwg or w3c?
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  275. # [16:39] <Ms2ger> annevk does, and he publishes at the WHATWG now
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  277. # [16:42] <arv> annevk, I'll look at cloneNode. Should be trivial.
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  281. # [17:08] <Hixie_> galant: it's more the other way around... w3c must write specs that browsers implement
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  285. # [17:18] <gsnedders> Well, the W3C can do whatever the hell they like; it just may struggle to remain relevant as a standards organization if they don't do anything any browser wants to implement.
  286. # [17:19] <galant> ok thanks
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  295. # [17:49] <SimonSapin> Can I tell html5lib here is the character encoding I got from Content-Type, do your thing regarding http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/parsing.html#determining-the-character-encoding ?
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  329. # [22:22] <Hixie_> i think we should make people take this test before they can vote in working groups http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.html
  330. # [22:22] <Hixie_> (obviously its original purpose is an abomination, but that's a separate issue)
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  337. # [22:46] <galant> can I find the text node in the element that has contenteditable and I am writing in?
  338. # [22:48] <Hixie_> probably, but can you be more specific about what you mean?
  339. # [22:49] <galant> can I find number of characters from beginning to the caret/cursor position? in element or text node I am writing in? in the element there are text nodes and img elements
  340. # [22:50] <galant> I have one section element htat has contenteditable it has text nodes and img elements, if I write in some text node in that element - can I find number of characters from the beginning of the text node or the element I am writing in?
  341. # [22:50] <galant> that*
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  344. # [22:58] <galant> can I do this with DOM range api and is it cross browser compatible and with older browsers?
  345. # [22:59] <Hixie_> you can find the caret position using getSelection()
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  349. # [22:59] <Hixie_> and in most browsers, they have DOM Range and you should be able to manipulate the range pretty easily... take a copy of the selection range, and change one of its ends to the start of the block
  350. # [23:00] <galant> Hixie_, but that isn't for selection? Returns a selection object representing the range of text selected by the user.
  351. # [23:00] <galant> I need just caret/cursor position not the selection
  352. # [23:00] <Hixie_> if there's no selection, the selection is a collapsed range at the cursor position
  353. # [23:00] <galant> ahm nice
  354. # [23:00] <galant> thanks Hixie_
  355. # [23:00] <Hixie_> if there's a selection, there's no cursor (in most operating systems)
  356. # [23:00] <Hixie_> np
  357. # [23:01] <galant> Hixie_, cursor position is calculated from the starting of the element or the text node?
  358. # [23:01] <Hixie_> it's a range, so the usual range thing
  359. # [23:01] <galant> I have element with contenteditable which has text nodes and img elements
  360. # [23:01] <galant> ok
  361. # [23:17] <galant> Hixie_, I don't understand how can I find cursor position from the getSelection() :S
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  365. # [23:25] <galant> ok Hixie_ I found what I was looking for, thanks for the help and guiding man
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