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  119. # [10:46] <Ms2ger> https://twitter.com/NightValeRadio/status/351190436754370562
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  161. # [15:27] <GPHemsley> I'm interested to see how this gets resolved: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887463
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  164. # [15:40] <svl> From a quick look at that repository, it looks like all code has always been under BSD, so legally Mozilla seems to be totally in the clear. Wonder what the story behind the request is; how much goodwill is worth there...
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  166. # [15:42] <svl> "until I am handed a diploma" is rather suggestive as to the story behind it. :/
  167. # [15:48] <SimonSapin> I don’t see the relationship between this code and a diploma
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  170. # [15:53] <svl> She has an @senecacollege.ca email address; that college has a course where students work on Mozilla code.
  171. # [15:55] <galant> is there sure way to find if visitor is using ie 8? but it needs to be 100% sure
  172. # [16:00] <galant> <!--[if lte IE 8]> this works 100% of the time without mistakes?
  173. # [16:03] <svl> http://caitpotter.blogspot.com/2013/06/theres-no-opener-theres-no-punchline.html
  174. # [16:03] <SimonSapin> galant: this is 8 and earlier versions
  175. # [16:03] <galant> I know SimonSapin
  176. # [16:03] <galant> but is this working 100% of the time without mistakes?
  177. # [16:04] <galant> I need to use different javascript code for ie8 and less how can I do this
  178. # [16:04] <SimonSapin> galant: and yes, until some browser decides to parse these for some reason, but I doubt it
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  180. # [16:04] <galant> I need to say something like "if its not ie8 then use this js file if its ie9 or 10 use another js file
  181. # [16:04] <galant> can I do this?
  182. # [16:05] <gsnedders> For people who've cared: I've just uploaded all historic html5lib releases to PyPI. These are identical to the original archives (except for html5lib-0.11.1, where the original zip contained every file twice), recompressed as tgz, and hence not quite identical to the 0.2ish, 0.9ish, etc. tags in git.
  183. # [16:06] <SimonSapin> galant: I don’t know the details but you’re probably on the right track. google "IE conditional comments"
  184. # [16:07] <svl> galant: if you "need" to do that _because_ ie8 doesn't support some features (and some other hypothetical browsers which also wouldn't support those features, would benefit from the same fallback file), then of course detecting those features is much cleaner
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  186. # [16:10] <gsnedders> svl: AFAIK (IANAL, etc.), BSD, MIT, GPLv2 are all revocable.
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  188. # [16:12] <galant> ok thankks
  189. # [16:13] <gsnedders> svl: And I honestly don't know enough about copyright law in the US tohave a real answer.
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  191. # [16:30] <zewt> gsnedders: never heard of anything like that, unless you have some "i can revoke your license if i feel like it" clause in the license
  192. # [16:31] <zewt> nobody in the open source world would ever use code under a license that allowed that
  193. # [16:32] <gsnedders> zewt: I believe there are such countries, FWIW.
  194. # [16:32] <zewt> i'm not aware of the US being one of them
  195. # [16:34] <SimonSapin> at least someone thought necessary to make CC0 explicitly unrevocable
  196. # [16:50] <zewt> of course, if mozilla gives into this, they'll get a flood of "give me $1000 or i'll revoke your license to some contribution i sent in years ago" blackmails
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  200. # [17:03] <GPHemsley> hmm... the rest of that blog suggests something deeper is going on
  201. # [17:04] <zewt> i didn't read it, from the childishness of the bug it doesn't seem like someone worth reading, heh
  202. # [17:04] <GPHemsley> I don't think "childish" is the term I'd use
  203. # [17:05] <GPHemsley> having read some of the other posts
  204. # [17:05] <GPHemsley> but I won't speculate further based on a handful of Internet writings
  205. # [17:05] <zewt> the bug reads like a tantrum
  206. # [17:06] <GPHemsley> tantrums are not only for children
  207. # [17:06] <zewt> not only children are childish :) anyway
  208. # [17:07] <GPHemsley> ah, the classic circular definition paradox
  209. # [17:08] <GPHemsley> TIL this exists: http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/
  210. # [17:08] <zewt> wow, that's horrifying
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  212. # [17:09] <GPHemsley> ?
  213. # [17:09] <zewt> having worked on open source stuff, the idea of inviting people to "jump in and change stuff" is :|
  214. # [17:10] <GPHemsley> o_0
  215. # [17:10] <GPHemsley> that's the whole Mozilla culture
  216. # [17:10] <zewt> if people have something they want to accomplish, then it's useful--when they don't, and they're just looking for something to change, they submit crap
  217. # [17:11] <zewt> and people who are asking "what can I do" are in the latter group
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  220. # [17:17] <annevk> yeah, life is black & white like that
  221. # [17:18] <zewt> ...
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  223. # [17:19] <GPHemsley> hah
  224. # [17:20] <zewt> drunk anne?
  225. # [17:20] <GPHemsley> dunno... I was laughing at the fact that he quit right after
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