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  7. # [00:05] <Hixie_> man, this parser change is invasive
  8. # [00:05] <Hixie_> gsnedders is gonna hate me
  9. # [00:06] <Hixie_> hopefully the browsers are gonna like it...
  10. # [00:06] <Hixie_> (it's fixing https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21308)
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  53. # [02:31] <gsnedders> Hixie_: Haters gonna hate.
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  55. # [02:32] <gsnedders> Hixie_: Also, I believe that's a one line fix in html5lib. ;P
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  58. # [02:39] * GPHemsley mumbles something about the krijn log being too quick to disable tagging lines
  59. # [02:40] <GPHemsley> s/tag/flag/
  60. # [02:43] <GPHemsley> Hixie_: Argh, I already have enough email. ;_;
  61. # [02:43] <GPHemsley> Hixie_: Quit being so productive!
  62. # [02:43] <gsnedders> MOAR EMAIL.
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  110. # [06:13] <Hixie_> GPHemsley: eh, it doesn't happen that often!
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  113. # [06:40] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: wonder what your thoughts are on adding the <shadow> and <content> elements to the HTML spec
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  122. # [07:11] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: i'd need to know more :-)
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  124. # [07:15] <MikeSmith> the elements are defined in the Shadow DOM spec and implemented in blink and soonish in gecko (there's a patch from wchen for the <content> element waiting or review)
  125. # [07:15] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/shadow/index.html#content-element and https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/shadow/index.html#shadow-element
  126. # [07:16] <MikeSmith> as far as I understand, they don't have any special effect on parsing
  127. # [07:16] <Hixie_> where does it go? inside a <template>?
  128. # [07:17] <MikeSmith> no, anywhere
  129. # [07:17] <MikeSmith> flow content
  130. # [07:17] <Hixie_> what does it do?
  131. # [07:18] <Hixie_> i don't understand the spec
  132. # [07:18] <Hixie_> this is like reading an alternate reality version of xbl2
  133. # [07:18] <MikeSmith> heh
  134. # [07:19] <MikeSmith> anyway, to be clear, it can go inside a <template> but it's not restricted to just that
  135. # [07:19] <MikeSmith> but then I guess anything else can go inside a <template> too
  136. # [07:20] <Hixie_> i'm too tired to figure it out now. i don't understand what this does. send a mail explaining what the element does and where it would make sense, and how it should be defined, assuming the spec is stable enough that it makes sense to integrate yet.
  137. # [07:20] <MikeSmith> ok
  138. # [07:20] <Hixie_> in principle though, sure
  139. # [07:21] * Hixie_ is trying to buy glassware
  140. # [07:21] <Hixie_> "features: lead free"
  141. # [07:21] <Hixie_> we're still calling that a feature?
  142. # [07:21] <Hixie_> should i be worried that it doesn't say "mercury free"?
  143. # [07:21] <MikeSmith> hah
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  167. # [09:00] <annevk> "ITS 2.0, Selectors 4 and Selectors API 2" o_O
  168. # [09:00] <annevk> There's so many crazy suggestions in that thread I don't even
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  201. # [11:11] <annevk> "Deciding to spice up the morning by filling the kettle slightly past the recommended level, then thinking better of it" https://twitter.com/SoVeryBritish/status/351986543797346305
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  203. # [11:26] <jgraham> annevk: Glad you are adjusting to life in the UK :)
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  206. # [11:35] <sangwhan> tobie: sorry 'bout that
  207. # [11:44] <jgraham> The "And revert" thing?
  208. # [11:44] <jgraham> Would be nice not to be running tests on production repos where possible
  209. # [11:45] <darobin> wuss :)
  210. # [11:45] <jgraham> In this case I don't see why it is needed
  211. # [11:45] <jgraham> Not wuss, just don't like getting the email :)
  212. # [11:46] <jgraham> I already want to slap the github people until they realise that one email per change is insane
  213. # [11:47] <Ms2ger> I always want to slap github people
  214. # [11:53] <sangwhan> Was trying to get rid of as many PRs as possible to hopefully reduce the amount of mails I get
  215. # [11:53] <sangwhan> And then there is critic, which I should probably try to opt out for some of the stuff
  216. # [11:54] <sangwhan> I wonder how long XHR tests will be getting fixups
  217. # [11:54] <jgraham> Aren't you like 86% of the way there
  218. # [11:54] <sangwhan> Dunno, haven't been reading them
  219. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> I know hallvors has been making a lot of commits
  220. # [11:57] <sangwhan> In my defense I never imagined someone would use the production repo for "testing" things
  221. # [11:58] <Ms2ger> Defense denied
  222. # [11:59] <sangwhan> Bah
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  229. # [12:22] <annevk> How do you guys deal with duplicated tests?
  230. # [12:22] <annevk> There's many URL tests though in some sense it seems easier to just start over...
  231. # [12:25] <annevk> The tests I have thus far in https://github.com/annevk/url are mostly from WebKit with adjustments to conform to the spec
  232. # [12:25] <darobin> annevk: by duplicated I mean presumably testing the same thing, but not exactly the same file?
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  234. # [12:26] <darobin> annevk: if you have tests which you believe are exhaustive and of better quality, then adding them and removing the old ones seems fine to me
  235. # [12:26] <darobin> though maybe do the removal in a separate PR?
  236. # [12:26] <annevk> Yeah, the same structure in setup. The other problem with URLs is that there's many many tests and grouping them is kinda hard.
  237. # [12:26] <darobin> (and of course, please triple check that you're really removing duplication)
  238. # [12:26] <annevk> I don't think the test repo has URL tests at the moment.
  239. # [12:27] <darobin> I didn't think so either but you said there were dupes so I imagined you'd found some :)
  240. # [12:27] <annevk> And what you just said there is a lot of tedious work. There's thousands of tests...
  241. # [12:27] <darobin> Testing is tedious work. Film 11.
  242. # [12:27] <annevk> Dupes between browser vendors, etc.
  243. # [12:27] <darobin> *at
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  245. # [12:27] <darobin> oh that
  246. # [12:27] <darobin> well, tests that aren't in the repo don't exist
  247. # [12:28] <annevk> Well, if you're just gonna repeat what I already know, I guess I'm out of luck
  248. # [12:28] <darobin> what were you hoping for?
  249. # [12:28] <annevk> Some kind of strategy or tactic used to date
  250. # [12:28] <darobin> strategy for what?
  251. # [12:29] <darobin> getting vendors to align on a single suite for a given area?
  252. # [12:29] <sangwhan_> I assume this question has already been asked earlier, but has there been work to do a batch executer that will run everything and collect the results for everything?
  253. # [12:29] <jgraham> The strategy is "duplication is the least of our worries"
  254. # [12:30] <jgraham> Typically people don't write exactly the same test
  255. # [12:30] <annevk> The other problem is that existing tests don't necessarily align with the standard
  256. # [12:30] <jgraham> So having multiple simplar things isn't that high cost. And javascript tests are very fast to run
  257. # [12:30] <annevk> But that the standard might need to change based on those tests
  258. # [12:30] <darobin> sangwhan_: there are plans to make that happen, yes
  259. # [12:30] <jgraham> Right, well tests and/or the standards being wrong is a problem ofc
  260. # [12:31] <annevk> And I feel like my current copy-and-paste approach and adjusting things as I go is somewhat crappy
  261. # [12:31] <jgraham> sangwhan_: Experience suggests that will be harder than you would expect
  262. # [12:31] <annevk> But I can't think of anything that'd work better :/
  263. # [12:31] * sangwhan_ is trying to un-f*up the previous PR merges, but haven't been able to find a nice way to do it so far
  264. # [12:31] <sangwhan_> jgraham: Experience suggests making that work on a non-desktop is going to be a nightmare no matter what
  265. # [12:31] <jgraham> I was only thinking about desktop
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  267. # [12:32] <tobie> sangwhan: yes, using webdriver and saucelabs
  268. # [12:32] <sangwhan_> Desktop is bad enough, and I've seen some PRs that don't use testharness so good luck with those
  269. # [12:34] <Ms2ger> sangwhan_, for testharness.js tests, I've already implemented that
  270. # [12:34] <sangwhan_> Ms2ger: generic or Gecko specific?
  271. # [12:41] <jgraham> sangwhan_: Both, I think
  272. # [12:41] <jgraham> Although I think strictly it isn't correct since it uses iframes or something
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  274. # [12:43] <Ms2ger> Right, the generic one uses iframes
  275. # [12:44] <Ms2ger> Then again, Mozilla runs them in iframes anyway, so they'd better work that way
  276. # [12:44] <sangwhan_> Yeah, I guess there aren't better ways to do it in a generic way
  277. # [12:44] <jgraham> Really? That seems problematic
  278. # [12:45] <jgraham> You can rather easily write tests that depend on being in a top-level document
  279. # [12:45] <sangwhan_> iframes does reduce the purity of the test runs significantly though (captain obvious reporting)
  280. # [12:45] <jgraham> Or, to put it differently, there are things that require a top-level document to test
  281. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> Then you can window.open()
  282. # [12:47] <sangwhan_> Get a machine with 256GBs of memory and window.open() everything :)
  283. # [12:49] <darobin> hopefully you can window.close() too :)
  284. # [12:50] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Right, but it would be nice if the top level document was window.opened rather than an iframe
  285. # [12:50] <Ms2ger> I dunno
  286. # [12:50] <jgraham> Well actually
  287. # [12:50] <Ms2ger> I haven't hit issues with the iframes as far as I can remember
  288. # [12:50] <jgraham> The Right Thing To Do is to drive the browser from the outside
  289. # [12:50] <Ms2ger> Sure
  290. # [12:51] <sangwhan_> Rather than having this debate wouldn't it make sense to use webdriver?
  291. # [12:51] <jgraham> So that the top level document is a top level document with no opener or parent
  292. # [12:51] <Ms2ger> Webdriver is all fun and stuff
  293. # [12:51] <Ms2ger> But I like being able to run tests without giving more privileges than a website gets
  294. # [12:52] <sangwhan_> Having the window/document as a clean slate if possible is nice, yes
  295. # [12:52] <jgraham> So actually afaict browsers typically use their low-level primitives for implementing webdriver directly
  296. # [12:52] <jgraham> s/browsers/vendors/
  297. # [12:52] <Ms2ger> There's two goals here, IMO
  298. # [12:52] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Sure
  299. # [12:52] <Ms2ger> One is vendors running tests in automation, the other is comparing browsers
  300. # [12:53] <jgraham> Being able to run the tests from w3c-test.org is a different use case to being able to run them in an automated test system
  301. # [12:54] <sangwhan_> Although not performant nor standardizable just restarting the browser with a test URL every time could even work...
  302. # [12:54] * sangwhan_ recalls at least one tool in Opera did this
  303. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> It feels like Opera has a million different test harnesses and runners
  304. # [12:54] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I think you are off by a few orders of magnitude there
  305. # [12:55] <sangwhan_> The one I mentioned has been retired, hence "did"
  306. # [12:55] <Ms2ger> Billion?
  307. # [12:55] <jgraham> Although I hesitate to say in which direction
  308. # [12:56] <Ms2ger> I have to say I wonder what lead(s) to that
  309. # [12:56] * sangwhan_ doesn't even know how many, mostly because I've only seen them in bug reports
  310. # [12:56] <jgraham> Well it's not actually that many
  311. # [12:57] <jgraham> One thing that kept multiple systems alive was that people in e.g. TV SDK had much fewer exposed APIs and so made much more basic tools
  312. # [12:57] <jgraham> *many fewer
  313. # [12:58] <jgraham> Partly it's the organisation structure and the culture of course
  314. # [12:59] <Ms2ger> Maybe we have relatively few because it's such a pain to set up a new one
  315. # [12:59] <sangwhan_> But yes, I know a fair amount of systems were born because of platform limitations
  316. # [12:59] <jgraham> But we ended up with one tool that did all testing for core and a lot of testing for desktop, and an evolution of that tool is now used for product testing
  317. # [13:04] <jgraham> Anyway, all browser vendors are strange in their own way
  318. # [13:04] <jgraham> For example Mozilla still use a bugtracker as a review system
  319. # [13:05] <jgraham> And Google think that PNaCl is a swell idea
  320. # [13:07] <jgraham> (I assume no one needs convincing that Apple or Microsoft are odd)
  321. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> Hey, the bugtracker as a review system is actually an excellent idea ;)
  322. # [13:10] * jgraham wonders if Ms2ger is on the run from an asylum
  323. # [13:10] <Ms2ger> As usual, yes
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  332. # [13:35] <GPHemsley> FTR: The Shadow DOM spec uses a deprecated URL to link to the DOM Parsing and Serialization spec.
  333. # [13:35] <Ms2ger> File a bug?
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  335. # [13:35] <GPHemsley> The current URL is: http://domparsing.spec.whatwg.org/
  336. # [13:35] <GPHemsley> Ms2ger: I use #WHATWG as my bug tracker. >_>
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  338. # [13:40] <GPHemsley> The spec actually links to a Wikipedia article on a particular coffee beverage o_0
  339. # [13:41] <Ms2ger> Which, Java?
  340. # [13:41] <GPHemsley> Green Eye
  341. # [13:41] <GPHemsley> whatever that is
  342. # [13:41] <GPHemsley> it also links to WoW
  343. # [13:42] <sangwhan_> search for n00b
  344. # [13:43] <sangwhan_> Ms2ger: are the pending PRs that on web-platform-tests from you intentionally pending, or has nobody looked at them?
  345. # [13:45] <Ms2ger> Probably the latter
  346. # [13:45] <Ms2ger> I don't know if jgraham has been intentionally ignoring them :)
  347. # [13:48] <sangwhan_> :)
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  399. # [16:37] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: thanks for the e-mail abotu <shadow> and <content>
  400. # [16:37] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: can you elaborate on when you would use these elements in an HTML document? wouldn't they only be used in the definition of a shadow tree?
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  415. # [17:35] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: yeah, only in a shadow tree definition
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  417. # [17:39] <MikeSmith> but within that shadow-tree definition, they should be allowed anywhere flow content is allowed
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  430. # [18:13] <galant> I have big problem, I insert line feed character into contenteditable text node everything is fine but the caret/cursor position for writing is in previous line, when I write something everything is right, the text is written in new line, but before I write anything the caret/cursor stay in previous line, why is this happening?
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  438. # [18:24] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: so what distinguishes a shadow tree definition from anything else?
  439. # [18:24] <Hixie_> galant: are you inserting the line break as a raw U+000A character, or as a <br> element?
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  441. # [18:26] <galant> Hixie_, I am trying to make WYSIWYG editor
  442. # [18:27] <galant> contenteditable is inserting divs on pressing enter key, I am deleting those divs and I am inseerting line feed character (im on linux) and caret position is in previous line but when I start writing caret position is going in the next line
  443. # [18:27] <jgraham> galant: In all browsers?
  444. # [18:27] <galant> so everything is fine expect caret position is showing in previous line before I start writing for some reason
  445. # [18:27] <galant> I am trying this in chromium now ill try in iceweasel
  446. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: I guess what distinguishes it is, it's either part of a document fragment created from a <template> or otherwise a node created through script that's not be appended anywhere in the DOM
  447. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: as far as I understand it at least
  448. # [18:30] <galant> hmm
  449. # [18:30] <galant> now this is strange
  450. # [18:30] <galant> in iceweasel (firefox) I see br characters when I insert line feed character
  451. # [18:30] <galant> and everything is fine
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  453. # [18:30] <galant> I get new lines and caret position is placed in the new lines
  454. # [18:30] <galant> I am not sure why I see br characters in iceweasel and not in chromium?
  455. # [18:31] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: we should understand this better before adding this to the spec. in particular, it affects where the elements should be allowed.
  456. # [18:31] <galant> after each new line I see one br element and on the end there is <br type="_moz">
  457. # [18:32] <Hixie_> galant: i wish i could help you, i don't know this stuff well enough :-(
  458. # [18:33] <galant> :S ok
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  461. # [18:38] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: yeah, I suppose so. Maybe dglazkov can help. If not, I'm not sure who else could
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  529. # [20:35] <Hixie_> i don't suppose anyone has tests for cross-origin use of showModalDialog...
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  536. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> Hixie_, maybe... If anyone, it'd be bholley
  537. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> But it doesn't seem that way
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  539. # [20:52] <Hixie_> why would <input type=button onclick=close()> not work in a window opened from showModalDialog() ??
  540. # [20:55] <Ms2ger> I'd ask bz, but he's got a kid
  541. # [20:55] <Hixie_> well that's exciting. showModalDialog() on Safari actually returns the value cross-origin, at least for strings
  542. # [20:56] <Hixie_> so far three browsers, three behaviours.
  543. # [20:56] <Hixie_> firefox is most sane so far.
  544. # [20:56] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860941
  545. # [20:57] <Hixie_> yeah that's why i'm looking at this :-)
  546. # [20:59] <Hixie_> four browsers, four behaviours.
  547. # [20:59] <Hixie_> i hate my life.
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  549. # [20:59] <Ms2ger> Hixie_, don't test old Firefoxen, you might get five :)
  550. # [21:00] <Hixie_> i'm only testing the flagship product from each rendering engine, and only the most recent build i can run on mac or Windows 7
  551. # [21:00] <Hixie_> (the last part being why i'm stuck with IE9.)
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  553. # [21:00] <Hixie_> (which is rather sad)
  554. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> Virtualization?
  555. # [21:01] <Hixie_> not if i can help it
  556. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> Expense win8?
  557. # [21:03] <Hixie_> and a windows 8 laptop? i've considered it.
  558. # [21:04] <Hixie_> i don't want the extra weight in my backpack though.
  559. # [21:04] <Ms2ger> A win8... tablet?
  560. # [21:05] <Hixie_> hm, that's an idea
  561. # [21:06] <Hixie_> i wonder if i can put win8.1 beta on those somehow
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  563. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> I'd ask microsofters, like tantek or Chris Wil... Oh, right
  564. # [21:06] <tantek> lol
  565. # [21:07] <Hixie_> there is a "Windows RT 8.1 Preview"
  566. # [21:07] <tantek> Windows has retweets?
  567. # [21:11] <Hixie_> i guess i could get a "ASUS VivoTab RT" and try to install win 8.1 RT preview on it
  568. # [21:12] <jgraham> Can't you dual boot windows 7 / windows 8? Or do Microsoft prevent that?
  569. # [21:12] <jgraham> I guess that's inconvenient if you are switching often
  570. # [21:13] <jgraham> (is the tablet version of IE identical to the desktop version?)
  571. # [21:13] <Hixie_> my access to windows 7 doesn't involve booting anything, i'm remotely connecting into a test machine
  572. # [21:14] <Hixie_> man, microsoft don't make it easier to compare these devices
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  574. # [21:15] <jgraham> Also, I'm sure you can run IE10 on win 7 these days
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  576. # [21:15] <jsbell> Yes you can.
  577. # [21:16] <jgraham> I imagine you can't run IE11, but you could be less than one majjor version behind
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  579. # [21:18] <Hixie_> oh, interesting
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  603. # [22:00] <Hixie_> TabAtkins, abarth: if we could get chrome to match the spec on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22183 we would be able to avoid adding more craziness and IE would be more willing to change too... any chance that could happen?
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  609. # [22:17] <Hixie_> WAT
  610. # [22:17] <Hixie_> <form><img name=a></form>
  611. # [22:17] <Hixie_> document.forms[0].elements.length => 0
  612. # [22:17] <Hixie_> document.forms[0].elements.a => [object HTMLImageElement]
  613. # [22:18] <Hixie_> (according to chrome)
  614. # [22:18] <Hixie_> (firefox is sane and says undefined for the second one)
  615. # [22:20] <Ms2ger> What version are you testing?
  616. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> Late 24 or 25 probably has 1 / img
  617. # [22:21] <Hixie_> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_4) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/29.0.1547.3 Safari/537.36
  618. # [22:21] <Hixie_> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:25.0) Gecko/20130627 Firefox/25.0
  619. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> Huh
  620. # [22:21] <Hixie_> you're confusing this with document.forms[0].a
  621. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> Er
  622. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> Bah
  623. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> Bah, bah, bah
  624. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> Are you putting those tests somewhere?
  625. # [22:23] <Hixie_> "tests"
  626. # [22:23] <Ms2ger> Yeah, those
  627. # [22:23] <Hixie_> i mention them in the bugs, sometimes.
  628. # [22:23] <Ms2ger> :/
  629. # [22:24] <Hixie_> writing and maintaining the tests is a separate full-time job
  630. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> Yeah, so
  631. # [22:24] <Hixie_> i simply can't do both that and edit the spec, as much as i'd love to
  632. # [22:24] <Hixie_> (i used to do the tests)
  633. # [22:24] <Hixie_> (but the specs needed work)
  634. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> Coming up with your evil cases is half the work
  635. # [22:24] <Hixie_> yeah, i put that half of the work in the bugs, like i said :-)
  636. # [22:25] <Ms2ger> Hmm
  637. # [22:25] <Hixie_> e.g. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21771#c4 earlier
  638. # [22:25] <Ms2ger> Could I convince you to stick a keyword or something on bugs with such work?
  639. # [22:26] <Hixie_> they're the ones where i added a comment that includes the keyword "http://www.hixie.ch/tests" or the keyword "live-dom-viewer".
  640. # [22:26] <Hixie_> :-)
  641. # [22:26] <Ms2ger> Pah :)
  642. # [22:26] <Hixie_> seriously, that should hit all the bugs
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  644. # [22:26] <Hixie_> and there'll be very few false positives
  645. # [22:26] <Hixie_> if any
  646. # [22:27] <Ms2ger> What do you do for emails?
  647. # [22:27] <Hixie_> maybe also damowmow.com/playground/
  648. # [22:27] <Hixie_> dunno, haven't been replying to those for like 6 months. :-P
  649. # [22:27] <Hixie_> i'll let you know when i resume... hopefully this month
  650. # [22:27] <abarth> Hixie_: sure, can you file a bug at crbug.com/new and assign it to me? that way I won't forget
  651. # [22:27] <Hixie_> abarth: on it
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  653. # [22:28] <Hixie_> abarth: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=256797
  654. # [22:28] <abarth> thx
  655. # [22:29] <Hixie_> how the heck am i gonna make <img> form-associated without giving it a form="" attribute
  656. # [22:29] <Hixie_> damnit, this is gonna be a huge mess
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  658. # [22:31] <Ms2ger> 245 bugs
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  663. # [22:34] <Hixie_> with those keywords?
  664. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  665. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> That's in all components, though
  666. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> And not just your comments
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  668. # [22:36] <Hixie_> yikes, that _is_ low. sorry. i'll try to be better about listing the urls.
  669. # [22:36] <Ms2ger> I've now got 4 saves searches that say something about tests
  670. # [22:37] <Hixie_> heh
  671. # [22:37] <Ms2ger> I would be grateful :)
  672. # [22:37] <Ms2ger> And I also should do something with those searches
  673. # [22:37] <Ms2ger> But not today
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  676. # [22:40] <Hixie_> i can't figure out how to make it only comments i wrote, which is annoying
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  678. # [22:41] <Ms2ger> Maybe with the boolean tables?
  679. # [22:41] * Ms2ger should be off, though
  680. # [22:42] <Hixie_> i was trying with boolean tables
  681. # [22:42] <Hixie_> but it doesn't seem to restrict it to the same comment
  682. # [22:42] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, http://www.verisoft.de/StartPage.html
  683. # [22:42] <Hixie_> ok, bikeshed time. i need a term for "element that has a form="" attribute that allows it to be associated with a different <form> than its ancestor <form>"
  684. # [22:43] <Hixie_> "reassociatable" is the best i have so far.
  685. # [22:43] <Hixie_> spelt reassociateable
  686. # [22:43] <Ms2ger> Fair enough, ship it
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  689. # [22:49] <jgraham> That doesn't make grammatical sense
  690. # [22:49] <jgraham> Oh wait it does
  691. # [22:49] <jgraham> I read "allows" as "causes"
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