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  9. # [00:10] <SimonSapin> " Date on which the resource was changed. (DC doesn't spec a date format but the established practice is YYYY-MM-DD.) " :(
  10. # [00:10] <SimonSapin> (http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions dcterms.modified)
  11. # [00:10] <annevk> just use HTTP
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  14. # [00:12] <SimonSapin> I’m looking for something to map to PDF’s CreationDate and ModDate in WeasyPrint
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  17. # [00:13] <SimonSapin> annevk: do you mean take a date from HTTP headers?
  18. # [00:14] <SimonSapin> I need to parse such dates, not write them
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  23. # [00:21] <annevk> SimonSapin: you?
  24. # [00:21] <annevk> SimonSapin: I thought you were doing layout
  25. # [00:21] <annevk> Oh WeasyPrint
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  71. # [01:49] <Hixie_> woah, i didn't realise FormData was opaque
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  75. # [01:51] <annevk> Hixie_: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FormData
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  77. # [01:52] <Hixie_> yeah, cc'ed you on a bug to track it
  78. # [01:52] <annevk> Although maybe it should mirror http://url.spec.whatwg.org/#urlquery now that it exists. I haven't quite figured out the value space
  79. # [01:52] <annevk> Well, thought about
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  81. # [01:52] <Hixie_> value space?
  82. # [01:53] <annevk> URLQuery is a list of name-value. FormData is a list of name/value/filename?
  83. # [01:53] <jpwhiting> MikeSmith: I'm wondering what is required in validator.nu in order to run, I'm thinking maybe just build, dependencies/*.jar and jars is all that is needed?
  84. # [01:53] * jpwhiting tries
  85. # [01:53] <annevk> Oh, name/value/type/filename even.
  86. # [01:54] <Hixie_> yeah, something like that
  87. # [01:54] <Hixie_> there's some magic around some of the values
  88. # [01:54] <Hixie_> most don't have a filename
  89. # [01:54] <annevk> Hixie_: how did this come up btw?
  90. # [01:54] <Hixie_> going through all feature requests mapping them to bugs
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  92. # [01:55] <Hixie_> and apparently at some point i was bitching that you can't get to a form's data easily
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  97. # [01:58] <annevk> heh
  98. # [01:59] <annevk> I guess the map would be String to (String or File)
  99. # [01:59] <annevk> The problem with that is that it gives people ways to create File objects with names, which some people were opposed to, but which also seems quite silly to be opposed to...
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  101. # [02:02] <zewt> seems like an obvious thing, Files are just Blobs with a name and timestamp attached
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  125. # [03:07] <MikeSmith> jpwhiting: https://gist.github.com/sideshowbarker/6004932
  126. # [03:09] <MikeSmith> jpwhiting: not sure if that change to the build file is required or not. It depends on how you have the validator using that schema
  127. # [03:10] <MikeSmith> jpwhiting: but I guess you could check by just removing that build-file change temporarily, and if it works without that, you're fine
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  153. # [04:21] <jpwhiting> MikeSmith: perfect, thanks
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  376. # [17:55] <annevk> morning dglazkov
  377. # [17:55] <annevk> dglazkov: in SF this week by any chance?
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  500. # [19:44] <gsnedders> What's a recommendable JS tutorial nowadays?
  501. # [19:44] <gsnedders> (For someone who already knows how to program?)
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  510. # [19:57] <jgraham> gsnedders: http://api.jquery.com/ ? :p
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  512. # [19:58] <jgraham> My other, equally useless suggestion is http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-262.pdf
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  514. # [20:01] <jgraham> Hixie_: I seem to recall that people don't like accessing window.location.href in possibly non-same-origin cases because the exception is always reported in the js console in weblinkit browsers, even if it is caught
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  516. # [20:05] <Hixie_> ah
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  520. # [20:05] <jgraham> (actually in my testcase it doesn't even throw if you do that, just returns undefined)
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  522. # [20:06] <jgraham> (and logs an error)
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  524. # [20:06] <jgraham> Of course it would be nice if they didn't have this behaviour
  525. # [20:06] <jgraham> But I guess you need to convinve abarth it's a bad idea
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  537. # [20:16] <jsbell> gsnedders: The canonical answer is "JavaScript: The Good Parts" but I haven't personally read it.
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  539. # [20:19] <jsbell> It's also, by definition, an opinionated view of the language, which may diverge a bit from what real people use. Hence jgraham's first answer.
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  543. # [20:25] <jgraham> Hint to the people at spotify: there's a reason that I haven't played any Christmas-themed music "for a while now". You might want to consider that in your recommendations page
  544. # [20:25] * jgraham knows this is a rather ineffective way to communicate with spotify employees
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  551. # [20:37] <abarth> jgraham: what's a bad idea?
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  557. # [20:42] <jgraham> abarth: According to webkit-dev you are already convinced :)
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  559. # [20:43] <jgraham> (not throwing when accessing location.href cross origin)
  560. # [20:43] <abarth> hum...
  561. # [20:43] <abarth> there's some active discussion about changing this currently
  562. # [20:43] <abarth> why don't you want to throw?
  563. # [20:44] <jgraham> I do want to throw
  564. # [20:44] <jgraham> Sorry, I originally used negatives in a confusing way
  565. # [20:44] <abarth> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=17325
  566. # [20:45] <abarth> ok
  567. # [20:45] <abarth> yeah, that's the direction we're heading in
  568. # [20:45] <abarth> there's just some trickiness in the implementation that we're working through
  569. # [20:45] <abarth> the javascript engine isn't quite prepared for us to throw an exception at that point, but we're fixing it to let us
  570. # [20:46] <abarth> then we'll throw the exception and see what the compat impact is
  571. # [20:46] <jgraham> Sounds good
  572. # [20:47] <jgraham> Hopefully the compat impact it low since Gecko, Presto and, I asssume, IE already throw
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