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  78. # [01:07] <gsnedders> annevk: Then someone should tell Hixie of that plan. :)
  79. # [01:08] * gsnedders sees the above conversation
  80. # [01:08] <gsnedders> Ignore m.e
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  82. # [01:09] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: takkaria's GSoC project in… 2008, I think, was the parser in Hubbub
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  104. # [01:43] <mounir> Hixie: is <fieldset> not barred from constraint validation on purpose?
  105. # [01:43] <Hixie> what would it mean for it not to be?
  106. # [01:43] <mounir> Hixie: I mean, it is supporting :invalid/:valid like <form> but do we really want to have .setCustomValidity applying?
  107. # [01:44] <mounir> Hixie: Gecko has it barred from constraint validation for the moment
  108. # [01:44] * Hixie attempts to page in that part of the spec
  109. # [01:45] <mounir> Hixie: it is possible that when you added :invalid support, you remove that bit
  110. # [01:45] <Hixie> woah, :valid doesn't apply but :invalid does, wtf is that
  111. # [01:45] <mounir> Hixie: oh, good catch, our patch implements both :)
  112. # [01:45] <Hixie> the way :invalid is specced, the fieldset itself isn't what's checked, it's the descendants:
  113. # [01:45] <Hixie> # fieldset elements that have of one or more descendant elements that themselves are candidates for constraint validation but do not satisfy their constraints
  114. # [01:46] <mounir> indeed
  115. # [01:46] <mounir> Hixie: but I don't see in the specs the line saying that "fieldset is barred from constraint validation"
  116. # [01:46] <Hixie> oh, i misunderstood your original question above
  117. # [01:47] <Hixie> i thought you meant, is it barred from constraint validation for a reason other than on purpose?
  118. # [01:47] <Hixie> but let me look further
  119. # [01:47] <mounir> Hixie: my fault, double negative ;)
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  123. # [01:48] <Hixie> aha
  124. # [01:48] <Hixie> fieldset isn't submittable
  125. # [01:48] <Hixie> so it can't be a candidate for constraint validation
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  127. # [01:49] <mounir> argh
  128. # [01:49] <mounir> but good to hear ;)
  129. # [01:50] <Hixie> it appears that attempting to spec basically what browsers do has resulted in a spec about as complicated as browsers
  130. # [01:50] <Hixie> which in retrospect is unsurprising
  131. # [01:50] <Hixie> but :-( nonetheless
  132. # [01:50] <Hixie> fixed the :valid thing.
  133. # [01:51] <gsnedders> Is it just me or does simply dropping <template>'s ssubtree seem really evil to do in html5lib?
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  135. # [01:51] <Hixie> gsnedders: i dunno about "evil", but it doesn't seem useful, for sure
  136. # [01:52] <Hixie> gsnedders: look up the meaning of "contents" in the html spec, that may help you decide how to handle this. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#concept-html-contents
  137. # [01:52] <Hixie> gsnedders: (notice that this term is used in the definition of the serialisation)
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  142. # [01:56] <gsnedders> Hixie: Note we're doing nothing but coercing the tree to an infoset.
  143. # [01:57] <Hixie> oh you definitely don't want to use infoset as a data model
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  145. # [01:58] <gsnedders> But that's what all existing Python tree libraries do!
  146. # [01:58] <Hixie> i see an opening :-)
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  148. # [02:00] <gsnedders> We recently dropped our own, ugly tree API. :P
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  151. # [02:00] <Hixie> maybe that was a mistake :-)
  152. # [02:01] <Hixie> anyway my earlier point was that you can just define your API for getting to the template contents on <template>s as being the same API as to get to the child elements of every other element
  153. # [02:02] <gsnedders> i.e., make it the decendants?
  154. # [02:03] <Hixie> yeah
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  156. # [02:04] <Hixie> except you'd say "oh you just can't put descendants on <template> elements. that api, for that element, gets the template's contents."
  157. # [02:05] <gsnedders> "The [IE11 Chakra] JIT compiler now supports more optimizations including polymorphic caching of properties and inlining of function calls" — wait, what!? They weren't doing that before? How weren't they ungodly slow, then?
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  269. # [08:59] <foolip> hsivonen_, validator.nu doesn't seem to be feeling too well, known issue?
  270. # [09:00] <MikeSmith> foolip: yeah
  271. # [09:00] <MikeSmith> chronic problem
  272. # [09:00] <MikeSmith> I think hsivonen_ is working on switching his hosting provider
  273. # [09:01] <foolip> I'm now using http://validator.w3.org/ which insists that there's a warning but doesn't tell me what it is
  274. # [09:01] <foolip> I guess it's the
  275. # [09:01] <foolip> "Using experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance Checker."
  276. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> foolip: but html5.validator.nu is on a different host and is usually much more responsive than validator.nu
  277. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> foolip: ah please don't use that. Use http://validator.w3.org/nu/ instead
  278. # [09:02] <MikeSmith> instead of http://validator.w3.org/
  279. # [09:02] <foolip> MikeSmith, thanks, I'm happy to not use it :)
  280. # [09:02] <MikeSmith> heh
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  285. # [09:10] <MikeSmith> foolip: everything working as expected now? (as far as validation from html5.validator.nu or validator.w3.org/nu)
  286. # [09:11] <foolip> MikeSmith, yeah, my markup is awesome as usual :)
  287. # [09:11] <MikeSmith> heh
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  293. # [09:44] <odinho> lol
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  303. # [10:32] <galant> on my website I don't give IE 9 support
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  376. # [15:33] <chth> good morning, im an engineer at the library of congress trying to find someone to help me access http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions so we can add our meta extensions
  377. # [15:33] <chth> I sent a request to admin@wiki.whatwg.org but never heard back
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  380. # [15:35] <SimonSapin> chth: you’re at the right place to ask for a wiki account, let me find how it works
  381. # [15:37] <SimonSapin> chth: ok, I need a desired username (login), email address, and real name
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  383. # [15:37] <chth> thanks SimonSapin
  384. # [15:37] <chth> username christhatcher, email chth@loc.gov, real name Chris Thatcher
  385. # [15:38] <SimonSapin> chth: Done. You should get the password by email
  386. # [15:39] <chth> thank you sir
  387. # [15:40] <SimonSapin> Note to my future self: "How to create a user account" is linked from the wiki front page.
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