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  11. # [00:15] <zcorpan> another bug in blink http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2429
  12. # [00:16] <TabAtkins> yaaaay
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  19. # [00:36] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: You filing that, or should I?
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  23. # [00:44] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins, zcorpan: serialization might exist outside of CSSOM, it makes sense in Syntax IMO
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  25. # [00:45] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: please file it, i'm about to go to bed :-)
  26. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> kk!
  27. # [00:45] <Hixie> TabAtkins: how does internal code distinguish them then?
  28. # [00:45] <Hixie> TabAtkins: (strings and idents)
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  31. # [00:47] <TabAtkins> Hixie: I think I was wrong - if we're doing things right, it should be distinguishable.
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  34. # [00:50] <Hixie> k
  35. # [00:50] <Hixie> i can certainly see it being easy to mix them up
  36. # [00:50] <Hixie> i mean, i do that all the time in my own code in similar situations
  37. # [00:51] <Hixie> token structs/unions that represent "identifier" and "string" in very similar ways
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  40. # [00:53] <Hixie> (though i'd imagine in browser code if you're dealing with keywords you'd atomise them)
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  44. # [00:56] <TabAtkins> We usually do, but in some cases you have user-defined idents, so we can't.
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  57. # [01:13] <jgraham> zcorpan: So I vaugely recall that some browser has a problem with addEventListener("error", function(){}), but maybe I am wrong?
  58. # [01:13] <jgraham> smaug____: Thanks
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  62. # [01:21] <Hixie> TabAtkins: ah, right
  63. # [01:22] <Hixie> jgraham: sounds plausible, the spec changed very recently on this
  64. # [01:22] <zewt> surely nothing related to adding a no-op event listener
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  70. # [01:41] <jgraham> zewt: The no-op part was misleading
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  190. # [08:18] <Yuhong> Here is another effect of Mariner cancellation: Remember getElementById also including the name attribute?
  191. # [08:19] <Yuhong> Well, the cancellation of Mariner made IE the only common implementation of DOM Level 1 initially.
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  237. # [10:52] <zcorpan_> TabAtkins: does your preprocessor support the same cross-spec cross-references as anolis+xref?
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  247. # [11:09] <zcorpan_> jgraham: presto doesn't support addEventListener('error', ...) (since it wasn't in the spec when we implemented it), and i think older IE don't support it. not sure about newer IE
  248. # [11:10] <zcorpan_> jgraham: but i don't mind using onerror there since it's really just a single test case that will need to have a workaround for it
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  261. # [11:44] <smaug____> remind me, what is the current name for Future-Promises
  262. # [11:44] <smaug____> hmm, based on the spec, Promise
  263. # [11:46] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Does WeasyPrint support XHTML? Docs sounds like it doesn't?
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  270. # [11:52] <annevk> smaug____: it's promises and will remain promises
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  290. # [12:55] * darobin wasn't even aware someone had asked Hixie for a list of bugs over which not to conflict...
  291. # [12:58] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: livedom.validator.nu is not up-to-date :-(
  292. # [12:58] <hsivonen> so much stuff I should get done
  293. # [12:59] <annevk> hsivonen: I recommend putting more on GitHub so you can ask for pull requests rather than doing them yourself
  294. # [13:00] <hsivonen> annevk: yeah, using hg/bitbucket was betting on the wrong horse. should have gone with git/github
  295. # [13:00] <hsivonen> need to make MikeSmith's github mirror the source of truth at some point
  296. # [13:01] <annevk> It's quite easy to move HG repos to GH. I've done that for a couple of specifications without much hassle.
  297. # [13:03] <hsivonen> Also, as a person trying to keep a proper "paper" trail for a MIT-licensed project, I'm slightly envious of the "Not a Contribution" thing in the Apache License
  298. # [13:03] <hsivonen> which is one reason I put the one project I do have on github under the Apache License
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  306. # [13:27] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: OK. i noticed somebody was using it as a reference for implementing his parser
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  308. # [13:28] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: i guess livedom.validator.nu isn't as useful now as it was before gecko had teh html5 parser
  309. # [13:30] <zcorpan_> does anyone have opinions on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22528 ? TabAtkins?
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  314. # [13:57] <annevk> Moderat released a new album? The fuck. I thought they were done.
  315. # [13:57] <annevk> zcorpan_: we discussed that here a while back. I think fantasai and TabAtkins were going to do some LC renaming...
  316. # [13:58] <zcorpan_> heh
  317. # [13:58] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: it doesn’t directly, but you can give it a parsed lxml tree
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  319. # [14:01] <zcorpan_> annevk: can't find 'computedstyle' being discussed here recently
  320. # [14:01] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Okay, so what I said isn\t bullshit. :)
  321. # [14:01] <gsnedders> zcorpan_: Who? (Where?)
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  323. # [14:02] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: Do you need XHTML for some reason?
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  325. # [14:02] <zcorpan_> gsnedders: wat?
  326. # [14:03] <gsnedders> zcorpan_: Who is implementing the parser?
  327. # [14:03] <zcorpan_> gsnedders: oh
  328. # [14:03] <annevk> zcorpan_: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20130701#l-308 and onwards
  329. # [14:03] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: No, just using it as an example on test-infra as something which doesn't support XHTML and HTML
  330. # [14:03] <SimonSapin> hum, ok
  331. # [14:03] <SimonSapin> fair enough
  332. # [14:04] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: mostly it’s that I don’t care about XHTML, and no-one really asked for it yet
  333. # [14:05] <zcorpan_> gsnedders: http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2013-August/040355.html
  334. # [14:05] <zcorpan_> annevk: thanks
  335. # [14:14] <zcorpan_> i don't mind calling it rawComputedStyle
  336. # [14:15] <annevk> Where are the attributes defined of http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-15.2.3.2 (Object.getPrototypeOf())?
  337. # [14:16] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: running W3C tests could be a reason to support XHTML in WeasyPrint, it’s easy enough to add
  338. # [14:17] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: Eh, I was more just coming up with examples.
  339. # [14:18] <gsnedders> annevk: What attributes?
  340. # [14:18] <annevk> gsnedders: property attributes
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  342. # [14:18] <gsnedders> annevk: Oh, you mean of Object.prototypeOf?
  343. # [14:18] <annevk> Domenic_: why is it okay for Object.create() to do a null-check?
  344. # [14:19] <annevk> gsnedders: I was trying to ask that, yes :)
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  348. # [14:19] <gsnedders> annevk: "Every other data property described in this clause has the attributes { [[Writable]]: true, [[Enumerable]]: false, [[Configurable]]: true } unless otherwise specified." — start of section 15
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  350. # [14:21] <annevk> gsnedders: ta!
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  395. # [16:46] <annevk> String.prototype.normalize o_O
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  398. # [16:50] <gsnedders> Which does what?
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  400. # [16:53] <Domenic_> annevk: assuming we are talking about the same thing: `null` is a valid prototype. It isn't used to signal default arguments at all.
  401. # [16:57] <annevk> Domenic_: ah right, doh
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  414. # [17:35] <jgraham> Not really sure what to think about the whole CSS build system
  415. # [17:36] <Ms2ger> How about the part where it depends on an ancient fork of html5lib?
  416. # [17:42] <jgraham> Well the implementation obviously has issues :)
  417. # [17:43] <jgraham> But I meant the theory
  418. # [17:43] <jgraham> I get the impression that the CSS people are more interested in testing CSS, whereas everyone else is more interested in testing the platform as a whole
  419. # [17:43] <Ms2ger> I'm not sure what the CSS people are interested in
  420. # [17:44] <Ms2ger> It seems to be mostly "process"
  421. # [17:44] <jgraham> So, for example, depending on HTML in a test for a web api is fine
  422. # [17:44] <jgraham> Because we only really care if it works in browsers
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  424. # [17:44] <jgraham> Not if it also works in java, or whatever
  425. # [17:45] <jgraham> But the CSS people want to maintain some seperation with the rest of the platform
  426. # [17:45] <jgraham> So they invent all this extra complexity
  427. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> The idea of testing in html/xml both seems somewhat interesting
  428. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> But nobody ever did that
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  432. # [17:50] <jgraham> I guess it is interesting. It would be more interesting to know how many bugs have been found in CSS that occured in one but not the other. It seems quite unlikely at that level
  433. # [17:52] <darobin_> I think that CSS's obsession with testing in XHTML borders on madness :)
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  436. # [18:04] <MikeSmith> css-wg-wtf.tumblr.com
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  439. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> subtitle: "An embarrassment of riches"
  440. # [18:05] <MikeSmith> enough to keep somebody busy full time maintaining it
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  506. # [20:41] <jgraham> Ms2ger: do you remember if Aryeh's thing allows testing things that only reflect on setting?
  507. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> I'm pretty sure that's not supported
  508. # [20:43] <jgraham> TODO it is then :)
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  511. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> I'll get back to it, promise
  512. # [20:48] <Ms2ger> Some time
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  529. # [21:12] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Well I think it is done now apart from the a2b stuff that seems unrelated
  530. # [21:12] <jgraham> But I'm not sure :)
  531. # [21:12] <jgraham> So it just needs a little review
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  534. # [21:33] <jgraham> What's "the MOP"?
  535. # [21:34] <Ms2ger> meta object protocol?
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  538. # [21:38] <Hixie> how in the !@#$% did this page's encoding get _this_ messed up http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/?p=9815
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  543. # [21:55] <jgraham> So I suppose the obvious followup is "what's a meta object protocol?"
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  546. # [21:59] <jgraham> Oh, it's to do with being able to customise property access and things
  547. # [21:59] <jgraham> (I understand that isn't a definition of a protocol, before someone points it out)
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  560. # [22:27] <Hixie> is FontLoader dead, or did it move somewhere?
  561. # [22:27] <SimonSapin> Hixie: moved
  562. # [22:27] <SimonSapin> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-font-load-events/
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  565. # [22:34] <hober> MikeSmith: I am so sad that tumblr doesn't actually exist.
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  573. # [22:39] <Hixie> SimonSapin: thanks
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  579. # [22:55] <tantek> http://www.alu.org/mop/index.html ?
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