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  1. # Session Start: Sun Aug 25 12:26:49 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [12:26] * Now talking in #whatwg
  4. # [12:26] * Topic is 'WHATWG: http://www.whatwg.org/ -- logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ & http://logbot.glob.com.au/ -- stats: http://gavinsharp.com/irc/whatwg.html -- Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
  5. # [12:26] * Set by smaug____!~chatzilla@GGZYYCCCXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi on Wed Mar 21 17:14:24
  6. # [12:28] <krijn> Thanks for noticing
  7. # [12:29] <Ms2ger> Np
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  27. # [14:42] <annevk> matijs: I recommend finding the answers to questions in specifications, not mailing lists ;)
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  29. # [14:43] <annevk> matjas: ^^
  30. # [14:43] <annevk> your nicks are confusingly similar
  31. # [14:44] <matjas> annevk: what mail in particularare you referring to?
  32. # [14:44] <annevk> matjas: latest tweet
  33. # [14:45] <matjas> annevk: ah, good point, as always :)
  34. # [14:46] <annevk> matjas: if you use a BOM, which is kinda icky, your JS would be fully portable. If you use utf-8 all the time (including in your HTML), it's portable within your set of sites
  35. # [14:47] <annevk> matjas: otherwise you need to involve either <script charset> (eww) or HTTP (annoying)
  36. # [14:47] <matjas> i know
  37. # [14:47] <matjas> my point was that JS library authors have no way of knowing in which environments their code will end up
  38. # [14:47] <matjas> so going ASCII-only is probably the safest bet
  39. # [14:48] <annevk> It seems JavaScript could introduce a "utf-8" directive as the first thing in the file
  40. # [14:49] <matjas> like, d3.js (a popular dataviz library) has `var π = Math.PI` in its source, and every few weeks someone complains about “encoding issues” in their issue tracker
  41. # [14:49] <annevk> for easier editing than the utf-8 BOM
  42. # [14:49] <annevk> it's somewhat backwards compatible in that it doesn't throw and would definitely improve matters going forward
  43. # [14:49] <matjas> directives suck, though
  44. # [14:50] <annevk> what's the problem?
  45. # [14:50] <matjas> 2008: // nothing
  46. # [14:50] <matjas> 2009 (ES5): 'use strict'
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  48. # [14:50] <matjas> 2014: 'use strict'; 'use utf-8';
  49. # [14:51] <annevk> I think "use strict" is regarded as a mistake
  50. # [14:51] <annevk> and "utf-8" is not really like "use strict", it's more how to decode the source, like @charset
  51. # [14:52] <matjas> would’ve been cool if 'use strict' implied utf-8, though
  52. # [14:52] <annevk> anyway, I guess it hasn't really been needed thus far, might not be worth it
  53. # [14:52] <matjas> but too late for that i guess
  54. # [14:52] <annevk> yeah, workers imply utf-8
  55. # [14:52] <annevk> but not use strict
  56. # [14:52] <matjas> xhr.responseType='json' too
  57. # [14:52] <annevk> we should make modules imply utf-8
  58. # [14:52] <matjas> which is pretty awesome
  59. # [14:52] <annevk> yes
  60. # [14:52] <matjas> yeah!
  61. # [14:53] <annevk> I force utf-8 everywhere
  62. # [14:53] <annevk> it's like a side mission in Zelda
  63. # [14:53] <matjas> out of curiosity, has no one complained about not supporting other encodings for `responseType='json'` since you specced it in 2011?
  64. # [14:54] <matjas> would be surprising, as there is no reason at all to not use UTF-8
  65. # [14:55] <annevk> haven't had complaints yet
  66. # [14:55] <annevk> note that XHR send() also forces utf-8
  67. # [14:56] <annevk> bbl
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  144. # [20:06] <TabAtkins> heycam: Yes, I did, but I last bikeshedded it before I had syntax support for token references.
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  153. # [20:32] <TabAtkins> heycam|away: All fixed up now, and your bugs in the list fixed as well.
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The end :)