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  258. # [15:21] <zcorpan> does someone care about https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23173 ?
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  260. # [15:27] <SimonSapin> zcorpan: ?
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  262. # [15:30] <annevk> zcorpan: ID lookup within a subtree should work
  263. # [15:30] <annevk> zcorpan: browsers could always resort to the selector slow path
  264. # [15:30] <annevk> "slow"
  265. # [15:31] <zcorpan> annevk: yeah
  266. # [15:32] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: i found a gecko bug in that comment. i care enough to bring it to your attention, but i don't care enough to file the bug myself. :-P
  267. # [15:33] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: (i just picked you at random)
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  295. # [16:32] <darobin> TabAtkins: have you considered using specref for bikeshed?
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  320. # [17:38] <rniwa> slightlyoff: yt?
  321. # [17:38] <rniwa> arv: ?
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  334. # [18:16] <jgraham> zcorpan: Do you know the requirements for pywebsockets in web-platform-tests offhand? Which port(s) should it run on?
  335. # [18:16] <jgraham> If it has to be the same as the HTTP server, I guess I have a slight problem to solve
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  343. # [18:36] <jgraham> So, it looks like hopefully not
  344. # [18:36] <jgraham> Although
  345. # [18:36] <jgraham> I suspect those are the Jetty ones
  346. # [18:36] <jgraham> :}
  347. # [18:36] <jgraham> |
  348. # [18:37] <jgraham> Oh, that was return, not backspace
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  350. # [18:38] <jgraham> These jetty tests are going to have to die
  351. # [18:38] <jgraham> Art won't like me :(
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  362. # [18:58] <TabAtkins> darobin: I'm planning to add in specref support, yeah. It's kinda tricky, since specref links are untyped.
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  366. # [19:05] <zcorpan> jgraham: the port is configurable in a single .js file iirc
  367. # [19:05] <zcorpan> at least for the opera tests
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  373. # [19:15] <TabAtkins> zcorpan, hsivonen: That CSS wiki page is outdated. The CSSWG adopted better policies in line with Blink and Firefox's current behavior.
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  393. # [19:46] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  395. # [19:52] <marcosc_> dglazkov: can Web components interact with the browser's preloader?
  396. # [19:53] <marcosc_> dglazkov: for instance, we want to make a <x-picture> thing that wraps img tags. But we want the images to load like they were inlined in the markup.
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  404. # [20:07] <joelcox> Hey everyone.
  405. # [20:08] <joelcox> I'm new at this, so I'm trying to follow http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/What_you_can_do as close as possible and wrote up a user-centric description of a problem, namely allowing browsers to bind to multimedia buttons.
  406. # [20:09] <joelcox> I wrote it up in a Gist. Any feedback is much appreciated. - https://gist.github.com/joelcox/6641424
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  412. # [20:15] <arv> rniwa: Do you still have a question for me?
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  417. # [20:24] <rniwa_> arv: yeah
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  420. # [20:24] <rniwa_> arv: have you looked into IndieUI spec?
  421. # [20:24] <rniwa_> arv: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/tip/src/indie-ui-events.html
  422. # [20:25] <rniwa_> arv: it defines a whole bunch of things to expose JS-defined UI behaviors
  423. # [20:25] <arv> rniwa_: nope... looking now
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  427. # [20:31] <rniwa_> arv: it looks very similar to command stuff in html5 and editing commands
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  429. # [20:31] <arv> rniwa_: yeah, that was my first thought too
  430. # [20:31] <arv> rniwa_: The only thing that this brings to the table afaict is the predefined list of commands/actions
  431. # [20:32] <arv> rniwa_: it is trivial to polyfill which is a good thing
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  435. # [20:39] <arv> rniwa_: The list of actions is a bit thin
  436. # [20:40] <rniwa_> arv: yeah
  437. # [20:40] <arv> rniwa_: Just looking at random UI toolkit will give you a large list of common actions
  438. # [20:40] <arv> rniwa_: (no place to file bugs but here is one such random list: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/System.Windows.Input.ApplicationCommands_properties.aspx)
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  441. # [20:47] <Domenic_> joelcox: this is a good thing to work on, +1. I think there is already some work in DOM3 events to make those keys exposed with standard key codes though
  442. # [20:48] <Domenic_> joelcox: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/KeyboardEvent?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=DOM%2FKeyboardEvent#Key_names_and_Char_values search for MEDIA_
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  444. # [20:51] <joelcox> Good to hear Domenic_. I'll add that to the document :)
  445. # [20:51] <annevk> joelcox: I recommend asking on www-dom@w3.org
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  447. # [20:51] <annevk> joelcox: work on UI Events is mostly there
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  449. # [20:52] <rniwa_> arv: i wonder if we should be discussing it in WebApps instead
  450. # [20:52] <zewt> dom3 events key stuff is a mystery to me
  451. # [20:52] <rniwa_> arv: it seems like a bunch of stuff in here can get annevk's help
  452. # [20:52] <rniwa_> arv: like all the enums :/
  453. # [20:52] <rniwa_> annevk: ^
  454. # [20:52] <zewt> like, talking about a ton of totally device-specific buttons
  455. # [20:53] <annevk> rniwa_: the IndieUI stuff?
  456. # [20:53] <rniwa_> annevk: yeah
  457. # [20:54] <Domenic_> aren't enums supposed to be lowercase these days?
  458. # [20:54] <Domenic_> no idea what you do for multi-word values though (camelCase?)
  459. # [20:55] <rniwa_> Domenic_: there shouldn't be any enums.
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  461. # [20:57] <arv> Domenic_, rniwa_: The question regarding multi word is still valid
  462. # [20:57] <annevk> String enumerations are fine, but yeah, convention is lowercase.
  463. # [20:58] <Domenic_> (it's *non*-string enums that are evil...)
  464. # [20:58] <annevk> With String.prototype.normalize() as notable exception...
  465. # [20:58] <Domenic_> meh, I thought Norbert's argument for that was reasonable
  466. # [20:58] <Domenic_> they're like standard acronyms from other documents or similar, not words
  467. # [20:58] <joelcox> annevk: Thanks for the suggestion, will look into the proper procedures to do that.
  468. # [20:58] <annevk> We use "arraybuffer" in XMLHttpRequest
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  470. # [20:59] <zewt> (err, acronyms are words)
  471. # [21:00] <annevk> joelcox: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/ for instructions of subscribing
  472. # [21:00] <annevk> joelcox: there's no procedures for posting other than sending email
  473. # [21:00] <joelcox> annevk: Ah ok, thanks.
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  480. # [21:16] <rniwa_> arv, annevk: so palettefocus/toolbarfocus requests for example are trying to solve the problem of
  481. # [21:16] <rniwa_> creating a document editor
  482. # [21:16] <rniwa_> where we don't currently have a way of focusing on a toolbar/palette button without clearing focus/selection on the main document view
  483. # [21:16] <rniwa_> there are a whole bunch of other things this spec tries to address
  484. # [21:16] <rniwa_> sicking: hi sicking!
  485. # [21:17] <annevk> rniwa_: it seems kinda premature to solve those things without fixing the architecture layer
  486. # [21:17] <rniwa_> annevk: yeah
  487. # [21:17] <rniwa_> annevk: I think we need to fix the architecture
  488. # [21:18] <annevk> rniwa_: but then I said that too when they added ARAI rather than getting to a place where <input> et al were fixed and it seems ARIA happened and the latter is still not done...
  489. # [21:18] <annevk> rniwa_: the hard problems are left unsolved and paved over by hacks or some such
  490. # [21:18] <rniwa> annevk: web component model might be replacing ARAI to some extent but yeah.
  491. # [21:18] <zewt> bandaiding problems seems to have a way of ensuring real fixes never happen
  492. # [21:19] <rniwa> annevk: we should fix the problem now before we add this accessibility feature to the Web
  493. # [21:19] <annevk> I wish I had more bandwidth
  494. # [21:19] <rniwa> annevk: haha, you need to recruit!
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  518. # [21:59] <dglazkov> marcosc_: we probably should get on the same page terminology-wise :) What's a browser preloader? And what do you mean by "inlined in the markup"?
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  524. # [22:12] <marcosc_> dglazkov: sorry, back...
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  526. # [22:13] <dglazkov> marcosc_: np. There's also a twitter convo
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  528. # [22:13] <marcosc_> dglazkov: I'll take a look
  529. # [22:13] <dglazkov> marcosc_: it's all very confusing.
  530. # [22:13] <marcosc_> dglazkov: I'll try to find some code examples... it's pretty simple once you see it
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  532. # [22:15] <marcosc_> dglazkov: take a look at this markup pattern: https://github.com/scottjehl/picturefill#markup-pattern-and-explanation
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  534. # [22:15] <marcosc_> we basically want to replicate that as a web component
  535. # [22:16] <marcosc_> the problem with the markup pattern is that images are not loaded until _after_ DOMContentLoaded
  536. # [22:17] <marcosc_> What we want to do is make a <x-picture> element, that would ideally work the same as <img> (the browser loads images as it finds them in markup )
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  538. # [22:19] <dglazkov> marcosc_: you can do slightly better with custom elements. Basically, you're tied to the createdCallback timing, which will be at the microtask checkpoint. The createdCallback is what will create a shadow tree for <x-picture>
  539. # [22:20] <marcosc_> dglazkov: ok, I'll investigate that
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  567. # [23:04] <zcorpan> i wonder if people would have a different opinion on critic if it didn't have "opera" in the name
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  571. # [23:11] <zcorpan> hmm. i enabled review.dropAnyReview but the button doesn't show
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  573. # [23:12] <joelcox> Domenic_: Just send an email to www-dom like you and anne suggested, thanks again.
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  585. # [23:34] <zcorpan> jgraham: ping https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/9
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  590. # [23:38] <zcorpan> web-platform-tests has a sad number of open PRs, and some can't be automatically merged anymore
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  592. # [23:42] <zewt> nothing discourages me from contributing to something more than sending a patch and nothing happening, heh
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  597. # [23:54] <zcorpan> yeah :-(
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