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  82. # [07:06] <tomreyn> hi there, i'm just looking at http://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/ which is a "living standard". Does this mean it is finalized or that it's in progress work?
  83. # [07:06] <Hixie_> both.
  84. # [07:06] <Hixie_> that is, it means that it is a standard, but that we maintain it and add to it as needed, so that it remains accurate.
  85. # [07:07] <Hixie_> you can think of it as a spec to which errata are applied directly rather than hiding the errata in a separate file.
  86. # [07:07] <tomreyn> but that would increase the version number supposedly?
  87. # [07:07] <Hixie_> there's no version number.
  88. # [07:07] <Hixie_> well, there's a version number in the version repository i guess.
  89. # [07:07] <tomreyn> oh right
  90. # [07:07] <Hixie_> so like the current version number appears to be 6896a25a22cc7b84b70fd1854e33e0a5874376f9
  91. # [07:07] <Hixie_> :-)
  92. # [07:07] <tomreyn> i guess that makes it harder to conform with standards
  93. # [07:07] <Hixie_> makes it easier, actually.
  94. # [07:08] <Hixie_> with a frozen standard, when you find the standard is wrong, you have a choice: conform to the standards and be useless, or break the standards and be useful but don't conform.
  95. # [07:08] <Hixie_> with a living standard, the standard changes when you find it's in error
  96. # [07:08] <Hixie_> so you conform, and you're useful.
  97. # [07:08] <tomreyn> i see
  98. # [07:09] <tomreyn> so was it in a draft stage before it became a living standard?
  99. # [07:09] <tomreyn> or did it start as a living standard right away
  100. # [07:09] <Hixie_> it was in draft stage, but it wasn't ever a whatwg spec back then
  101. # [07:09] <tomreyn> you mena like when it was implemented in webkt only
  102. # [07:10] <Hixie_> http://books.spec.whatwg.org/ is an example of a spec that's not actually a living standard quite yet but soon will be
  103. # [07:10] <Hixie_> hakon labeled it as "[soon to become a] living standard"
  104. # [07:10] <Hixie_> and the html spec is a living standard but it has some subparts that aren't quite ready, as documented either by the little boxes on the left or sometimes inline in the text
  105. # [07:11] <tomreyn> i see, well thanks for taking the time to explain. :)
  106. # [07:12] <Hixie_> np
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  201. # [16:16] <matjas> is it possible to intercept `innerHTML` calls? `innerHTML` doesn’t seem to be exposed on e.g. `Element.prototype`, or is it?
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  208. # [16:39] <gsnedders> matjas: Per WebIDL it should be a getter/setter pair. Dunno if anyone impls that?
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  210. # [16:39] <gsnedders> matjas: Maybe on HTMLElement.prototype?
  211. # [16:41] <gsnedders> matjas: In Firefox it's on Element.prototype, at least
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  213. # [16:42] <gsnedders> matjas: Can't find it in Blink quickly
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  220. # [17:20] <Ms2ger> matjas, yeah, at least in Gecko that should work
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  244. # [18:21] <niloy> hey, is this a good place for a feature request related to `addEventListener`?
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  262. # [18:47] <annevk> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2013OctDec/0075.html is somewhat surprising to me
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  264. # [18:55] <MikeSmith> annevk: the last paragraph doesn't really seem coherent but that doesn't seem surprising, considering the source
  265. # [18:56] <annevk> uhuh
  266. # [18:56] <MikeSmith> seems like it's saying one thing and then saying the opposite
  267. # [18:57] <MikeSmith> is that the part that you found surprising, or instead the part about plans to discuss the documents?
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  269. # [19:05] <annevk> the affiliation part mostly
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  273. # [19:07] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  291. # [20:02] <Ms2ger> https://github.com/ianvollick/animation-proxy/blob/master/Explainer.md
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  327. # [21:55] <annevk> Ms2ger: not mentioned on www-style? ...
  328. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> annevk, mentioned what?
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  330. # [21:56] <annevk> Ms2ger: layout kernel idea you pointed to
  331. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> Oh, someone mentioned it in #servo, and I thought people here might be interested too
  332. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> Or in the newsgroup, actually
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  362. # [23:29] <Ms2ger> annevk, bah, I was confused by the fact that the multipage spec wasn't updated
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